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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.01.31 19:59:00 -
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A few buddies of mine and myself were out in Providence with our interceptors. We came across an XETIC member named Snipe NFS, in an Apoc. We chased him down and he ran to a planet, was sitting there , when we got there, and started shooting him, he logged off while being webbed and scrambled. I know it wasnt a CTD because while we were waiting there, his friends all came in and chased us away from the point he would show up after logging back on, as we were waiting at a safe spot, he logged back on and got an escort home. Got it all on FRAPS also. Gonna make him famous in my video which should be coming out in a few days.
Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is. |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.01.31 20:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Species 8472
A member of colusp whom has been playing for 1 year 8 months logged off as he warped to us
wait wait wait
let me get this correctly, a lone guy is dealing with a group and he is a coward for running away? uh yeah okay well if I'm out numbered and my enemies aren't in all ibis' I'll not go at them. Call me a coward all you want but why on Gods green earth (or rather EVE's black space) would anyone who doesn't want to lose a ship fight outnumber when alone, especially against experienced PvPers?
Admitedly a few times i have fought while outnumbered, things like the solo friggy to scramble the BS and friends but that was so my side could warp on them and at least kill the smack tard one.
also it sounded like he was traveling, my travel set up is not good compared to PvP.
I will agree when like a group has equal numbers and they log/dock that is lame. but when your outnumbered it isn't cowardly to run away, its called being smart.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.01.31 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
wait wait wait
let me get this correctly, a lone guy is dealing with a group and he is a coward for running away? uh yeah okay well if I'm out numbered and my enemies aren't in all ibis' I'll not go at them. Call me a coward all you want but why on Gods green earth (or rather EVE's black space) would anyone who doesn't want to lose a ship fight outnumber when alone, especially against experienced PvPers?
Admitedly a few times i have fought while outnumbered, things like the solo friggy to scramble the BS and friends but that was so my side could warp on them and at least kill the smack tard one.
also it sounded like he was traveling, my travel set up is not good compared to PvP.
I will agree when like a group has equal numbers and they log/dock that is lame. but when your outnumbered it isn't cowardly to run away, its called being smart.
*2 cents*
If you are dumb enough to get in the situation where you are in warp to an enemy ship/ships, you should have to deal with the consequences of your stupidity.
If you do not want to lose your ship, you simply do not jump into a group of unknown pilots on the map unless you really know what you are doing. This is especially applicable to FA members travelling within their territory, as we have been there for MONTHS.
This pilot still disengaged his brain and jumped into the system, and would have been able to see the enemy pilots in local. The smart thing to do would be to go safe and log off. Disappointing for the waiting PvPers but entirely justifiable.
Instead, he warped to the PvPers and logged off mid warp. That is what is not acceptable - he had ample opportunity to get himself out of trouble by not getting into it in the first place. If my corpmates had his ship warp scrambled (I don't know if they did or not), his ship should have stayed in space until it died / warped away.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Droidster
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Posted - 2005.02.01 00:06:00 -
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Logoff tactics must be prevented! I am just a trader (=victim) and I still say this. It is killing the game.
I suggest that if a player logs/CTDs their ship disappears in 30 seconds. But if they were locked and they fail to log back on within 2 minutes then the ship should reappear and stay there as long as it is locked. If you crash you have a 2-minute grace period to log back on. Beyond that you meet your fate!
Please stop logoff escapes CCP!
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.02.01 00:32:00 -
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IMO the game client is more than stable enough to treat all CTD's as log-offs. I have had only 1 crash since Exodus (and a few net d/c's).
Aside from anything else, the present system is a sham as it really is quite random as to whether you live or die when you stop controlling your ship.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.02.01 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
IMO the game client is more than stable enough to treat all CTD's as log-offs. I have had only 1 crash since Exodus (and a few net d/c's).
Aside from anything else, the present system is a sham as it really is quite random as to whether you live or die when you stop controlling your ship.
Many ISPs have disconnect problems 
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.02.01 02:20:00 -
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I still say that if a pilot logs off, or CTDs or his ISP kills his net, his ship should behave as normal and not randomly disappear.
If he is warp scrambled beyond any stabs he has, his ship should not go anywhere. It should continue doing what it was last set to do until it is able to warp out / dies / pilot reconnects.
I would much rather lose my own ship to a crash than to lose kills because pilots cant hack their own blind stupidity of running into a trap..
Bear in mind that when I say this, I do not fly a tanked Apocalypse, but an un-tanked EW scorpion that dies if someone looks twice at it. If I CTD and log on straight away, I would probably still die. This is the reason I insure my ships.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.02.01 03:19:00 -
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Login tactics are lame
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:41:00 -
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I got cought with my pants down. 12 Inties and frigates chewed up my BS when I was hopping through 0.0
Hadn't fit the darn ship right since back then it was my very first BS.
I don't log, not with a ship or a pod. If I am stupid or brave enough to hop around there then I will do so to all concequences.
But let's not only talk about the lame logg off tactic, let's allso talk about the lame log on tactic aswell.
I have seen it happen. I have certain people in my buddylist to see when they are online or offline.
I was hunting one of them in 0.0 and at some point I see one after the other log off exept the one I was hunting.
At a given system the one I was hunting wasn't jumping to another system anymore so I started to look in said system.
Behold what a surprise, several of his corpbuddies all of a sudden mass logged in and even to greater surprise all in the same system as I was hunting said player.
I am certain that there are plenty of people that use teamspeak or ventrillo for such lame log on tactics aswell.
So let's cut the bull**** and face it.
Carebears log off when outnumbered or outgunned and there are plenty of PvP ers that use a lame log on tactic aswell.
What's the difference of logging out when being ganked by a superior force or to use a log on when you use a decoy to lure a prey into a certain system to then just log in massifly to overpower the lone hunter.
Both are lame yet I see more lame remarks about someone logging off to avoid a fight he can't win but I don't see much whinning when the tables are turned.
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UnrulyEvil
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Posted - 2005.02.01 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 27/01/2005 18:50:42
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: DB Preacher
According to the GM's, that's not an exploit.
They can't tell the difference from people logging off from peole CTD'ing so they don't bother.
You'll get used to it but it never gets any less annoying.
You should come up north and see the crap you get up north...
dbp
This is so true, it really does need to be seen to be beleived! 20-30 Man fleets have been know to get 1 Jump from BKG- and upon arrival and seeing that shockingly they aren't just allowed to stroll in, they pull a mass log off, apart from 1 smack-talking local alt scout
It is by far the lamest excuse for a tactic i have ever seen, and what i consider to be a blatant abuse of the game mechanics. They then log back on, and try to gank any stragellers; i can't remember the last time i saw a proper fleet fight out of a certain alliance - you know who you are!
Wow... Rift and I agree... the apocalypse is upon us!
I started a thread a few days back to try and get EVERYONE who had a problem with this tactic united in one place. There have been a lot of different threads where 10-20 people post but CCP won't pay attention to just 10-20 people complaining (even if they are on the same subject). However, if we can all get together on the same thread, maybe we can get their attention.
The thread may be found by clicking here.
Feel free to leave your opinions on that thread. I took a shot at a recommendation for a solution and there have been some great comments on the pros and cons of that solutions as well as some great ideas.
Please take the time to read the thread to try and understand the problem and then make a recommendation or support one of the existing ones. Once there is enough support I plan on bugging CCP until the grease the squeaky wheel. 
Also worth seeing is some video a few of our pilots put together of one aspect of this tactic being used... and overcome. See that by clicking here.
If EVERYONE who has a problem with you and your tactics will start a thread. There will be more pages than in Bible.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.02.01 18:05:00 -
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Why don't they just make it so you can't log a all while you are targeted by someone else?
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You are all worthless, and weak.
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DeathSpawn66
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Posted - 2005.02.01 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: DeathSpawn66 on 01/02/2005 18:50:22
How would I prove it to you that someone logged out and came back? I was pursuing a
rage of angel's member and i had him locked, jammed and into armour when he logged, then came back and just kept warping away and hiding. I was in yulai and he said it was because
he was going to a fleet battle and needed to get his enyo up and running(Since I
destroyed it yesterday). I find logging to be pretty pathetic and I don't understand why a person who supposedly has 8.4 million gunnery skill points is logging to avoid a 1 month old noob...
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n0sPIG
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Why don't they just make it so you can't log a all while you are targeted by someone else?
Becaaaaause locking alone wont hold a ship still, wouldnt the game be so much easier if it did tho! 
A Stain Empire, Apoc pilot logged on us the other night before we even got him halfway through armour, but nonetheless it was too late to save his ship. 
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