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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
Quote: lemme guess a raven pilot? ... you really dont have a clue about anything, anyone can fly a raven or scorp with very little skills in combat , unlike the blasterthron wich takes alot more skills and balls to fly
As a Raven Pilot I feel compelled to defend the Raven "Not quite so determined to defend Raven Pilots in general, to the skilled among you I apologise"
Like all ships it boasts as pilots the good, the bad and just plain stupid.
But this low skill rubbish is starting to get annoying I have just totted it up and excluding Learning,Industry and skills specific to other ships I have invested 12.2 million skills points in 37 skills dedicated to flying a Raven Well.
Dude. Its a fact. Throwing every other ship-related skill into the mix won't change the fact that you can fly a Raven "well" ie. it can kick many other BSs ass and be a versatile killer of smaller class ships to boot. Where you can NPC hunt and PVP with very similar set ups.
So if you do a straight comparison in SP between a Raven pilot and a Mega pilot for say tanking ability and damage per sec I think you'll find that there will be a very large gap in favour of the Raven. So this "low skill rubbish" aint rubbish. Why don't you do the numbers?
This is of course without the actual skill required and restrictions put on the blaster set up.
PS* Approx 15 mins till Caldari BS level 2.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:28:00 -
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tbh I prefer the typhoon... althou it needs a bonus overhaul  -------------------
Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 11:46:00 -
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Quote: So if you do a straight comparison in SP between a Raven pilot and a Mega pilot for say tanking ability and damage per sec I think you'll find that there will be a very large gap in favour of the Raven. So this "low skill rubbish" aint rubbish. Why don't you do the numbers?
Armour tanking 512000 skill points Shild tanking 2560000 skill points doin the numbers
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |

goleane
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:17:00 -
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can you explain these number and how do they add to an ACTIVE shield tanking setup ?
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Liam Fremen
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Liam Fremen on 31/01/2005 12:36:34
Lol this guy simply counted all skill with "shield" inside and made them at lvl5...
Maybe he should explain how much effective is having lvl5 Tactical shield for exemple :D
Btw, i fly Gallente/Caldari/Minmatar battleship, tryed all them...
Mega unlukly for mission takes more time than a well fitted cruiser... in pvp is funny, but ur wallet go down pretty much... u die very often if u fight "hard"
The Phoon/Tempest are nice.. i use often phoon as support bs for lvl4 miss, i use 3 hull for agility/speed, + 100mn ab's tech2... it become very fast and handly!
And last but not least.... raven, i bought a raven 4 days ago, after leaving the caldari bs skill there alone for weeks.... well i make lvl4 mission like eating candy... without a "super fitting" only with some "mind" and tactics....
So, for a noob raven 4thewin......
But, i think is VERY DAMN BORING!!!
I want see my enemy explode 1 meters from me while my cannon destroy it!
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:13:00 -
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Because of the imbalance between Guns and Missles the Raven is going to be needlessly nerfed. The Raven as a ship is not over powered and requires a great deal of skill to fly well the imbalance is caused because of missles, where it is true that there is a vast imbalance in skill requirements.
Shield Tanking requires a great deal more skill and skill points than armour tanking and yes all my Shield skills are at lvl 5 I have only flown Caldari ships for over a year and found that the shields were kinda important. :P
I belive that to be as effective as they are missles should require more supporting skills. Perhaps a damage nerf and a miss chance offset by additional skills which enhance damage and reduce miss chance, or maybe making them subject to the same type of bonuses that guns are.
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |

Stront3h
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Stront3h on 31/01/2005 13:39:00 Personaly I'd go for an Apoc or Gedon.
Amarrian battleships are the personal love children of the devs. Not only will you get the best all round BS, you'll be then able to mount the best guns in the game on it. 
Other than them I'd go for something like the Typhoon as it's a very versatile ship.
Myself, I fly a Mega and yeah my head is right up my arse . Simple fact with a Mega is you gota love it to fly it, because theres no other reason when it's compared to the other options available. |

Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:21:00 -
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Geddon and Apoc are certainly the current favourites.
Their ability to run an effective tank setup permanently is unmatched. "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |

Kelly O'Connor
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:31:00 -
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Apoc id have then if not get the Mega.
As the guy said earlier, suckers of men genitals fly raven or guys who have no idea what there doing, easy kills but in fleet battles the missles take so long its no fun, get some tacs on and get ya insta damage :).
Plus apcs n megas are cool mining ships
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jupitus
Originally by: Vvari no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
This is so true. People only train for throns because they think they look cool. Like BMW drivers I reckon  ------------
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Leam
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Jupitus
Originally by: Vvari no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
This is so true. People only train for throns because they think they look cool. Like BMW drivers I reckon 
exactly. I like to die with style.
anyway, isn't imposible to beat a raven or apoc in a megathorn, it's just harder, i like challenges 
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 16:03:00 -
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Quote: anyway, isn't imposible to beat a raven or apoc in a megathorn, it's just harder, i like challenges
No ship is impossible to beat, and a Megathorn properly fitted for PVP is as devastating a bird of prey as any other.
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |

Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.01.31 16:53:00 -
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Not everyone who flies a Raven is a newb. >_> ------
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:43:00 -
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Well here goes...
The raven/scorp are far and away the easiest ships skill point wise to use. Also they are both extremly usefull in a wide varitity of situations. Ushally they are the best bet for your first BS.
Gunboats, require more skills then your average missile boat, though the rewards, in terms of damage, are bettter at the high levels. Someone with say 5mill SP in gunnery is probably better off in a turret boat, as he'll ushally do more damage with guns then with missiles. Gunboats do require more skills, player and skill points, to be of any use what so ever. At lower skills you'll find turrets to be utterly usless.
I would say pick a ship type and train for that. Find out what role you would like to play and then train for the race that best fitts that role. Want to be a solo pirate? Then the raven/scorp wold be your best choice. How about the heavy hitter in a small wolf pack? Mega fits this role well. The long range damage dealer in a large fleet? The tempest...
You get the idea.
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