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Sethon
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:51:00 -
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Kind Regards,
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Sethon
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:52:00 -
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Sorry. Which is best? I am ready to buy another BS, so Mega, Apoc, or Raven? Which is it, in you're opinion.
Thanks!
Sethon
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Damajink
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:54:00 -
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What do you want to do with it?
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:54:00 -
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Which BS have you got now?
Yes, it matters:
For example, if you already have an Apocalypse, it would be stupidity to get a Megathron, they're way to similar.
Furthermore, what are you using them for?
For example, if you use the Apocalypse purely for NPCing, it would be a GOOD idea to get that Megathron, because it rocks with blasters.
/Elve
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:56:00 -
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Raven works for anything but mining 
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.01.27 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 27/01/2005 18:25:30
 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Raven works for anything but mining
Also Armageddon ;) works for anything, mining including
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:10:00 -
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After the next patch a Tempest, as long as it can choose the range of engagement, will be the best battleship.
People whine about how **** these ships are and yet I have corpmates who have hit for 1700 AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS SHIPS (2000 vs Station). Nothing else can touch that kind of damage, and it has no cap cost.
People are just stupid and expect their 1400s to be uber at 10 - 25km range.
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Naqq
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Naqq on 27/01/2005 19:17:12
Originally by: Lallante
After the next patch a Tempest, as long as it can choose the range of engagement, will be the best battleship.
People whine about how **** these ships are and yet I have corpmates who have hit for 1700 AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS SHIPS (2000 vs Station). Nothing else can touch that kind of damage, and it has no cap cost.
People are just stupid and expect their 1400s to be uber at 10 - 25km range.
I can explain that one mate, that's because they used to be that way, you know this bro, but yeah your right.
Just pointing out why people are complaining about that.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:27:00 -
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Try the pitiful ROF and poor tracking (makes misses hurt really bad) and constant reload need 
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
After the next patch a Tempest, as long as it can choose the range of engagement, will be the best battleship.
People whine about how **** these ships are and yet I have corpmates who have hit for 1700 AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS SHIPS (2000 vs Station). Nothing else can touch that kind of damage, and it has no cap cost.
People are just stupid and expect their 1400s to be uber at 10 - 25km range.
Barely.. Megabeams on an Apoc/Arma or 425mm on a Mega will still do more damage (over time) than a Tempest with 1400s. The only real advantage would be very high burst damage, so that you might be able to insta-kill ships in 1-2 volleys if you have enough Tempests focusing fire.
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:55:00 -
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Will all you whiners stfu and answer this dudes question?
Raven is the quickest and easiest ship to train for and fly by far. It is great for npc hunting and a versatile PVP ship. If you are mining in 0.0 its great for that as can mine and mount a decent shield tank and waste most rats at the same time.
I would train for a Raven first (Im a Mega pilot but Im training for Raven now) then possibly go for one of the others.
The short range master of disaster is the Mega but you need a serious amount of skill points in many different areas for it to be effective. It can be set up as a sniperthron but I've found it to be boring that way. (I don't know much about the APOC).
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Tgaru
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Posted - 2005.01.27 20:04:00 -
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You know what? There is a reason why a scorp is the primary target in many fleet and smaller scale engagements :)
Well flown it's devasting. Can lock down two to three opposing BS with EW and yes will eventually down them with admittedly subpar damage.
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zeroh
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Posted - 2005.01.27 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: zeroh on 27/01/2005 20:28:14
the most popular pvp ships are probably to my knowledge
Raven - Versatile,low skill needed , excellent frig defense, good offense, good defense , capable of alot of extreme setups an overall good pvp ship use by many pvpers
Scorpion - this ship been used since beginning of eve
Best suppport ship, powerful ecm platform, capable of truly extreme load outs since mid slots,also low skills needed
Armageddon - good tank , can fit for uber dmg , used by many pvpers as a 2nd line bs, moderate skills needed for use ,
a very good ship all in all
and there u have it the most used bs for pvp
ermmmmm get a raven
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2005.01.27 21:26:00 -
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missile overhaul will make ravens require alot more skills
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Vvari
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Posted - 2005.01.27 21:52:00 -
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no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2005.01.27 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Necronomicon on 27/01/2005 21:56:09
Mission = Raven
NPC Hunting = Apoc
PVP - who knows I AM CAREBEAR 
And this Pilots with no skills fly Ravens is rubbish, you still have to tank damage whilst dealing it along with other things like cap etc.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.01.27 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vvari
no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
YES!! you are correct sir. Sometimes you need to be a little suicidal to fly a megathron as well.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.01.27 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
After the next patch a Tempest, as long as it can choose the range of engagement, will be the best battleship.
People whine about how **** these ships are and yet I have corpmates who have hit for 1700 AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS SHIPS (2000 vs Station). Nothing else can touch that kind of damage, and it has no cap cost.
People are just stupid and expect their 1400s to be uber at 10 - 25km range.
Not even close. Nobody, minus the greedy players, wants 1400s to even work at 10-25km. Its 40-100km that 1400s suck compared to all other long range gun/ship setup. I can get 1500+ hits out of my tempest sure... at 60km w/ Phased Plasma YET I miss 5 out of 6 shots without tracking computers.   Do the math Kthkz 
To the thread starter: raven if you feel safe about upcoming missile changes or apoc.
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markol
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Posted - 2005.01.27 22:41:00 -
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The first BS I ever flew was a megathron. It was good for NPC cause it can tank well and fire rails. It can mine well. It sux at pvp. You want to fit blasters and die? Gor igth ahead. You will never ever ever take down a raven in 1v1. You will never win against a scorp either.
Then I bought a raven. This is a great 1v1 ship. It's a great NPC hunter. Never mined in it, and will kill you if you ever try. It can tank real well. It has some cap issues, but who doesnt. <ignores the apoc> It can deal some serious dmg of all types, which is just amazing.
Then I flew a raven into a fleet battle. Worst ship ever. It takes so long for your misiles to hit, it's ridiculous. Your enemy knows that you have him locked, and will promptly warp away long before your torps can hit him. Your best chance is to lock up frigs, and cruisers, fire a volley of cruise, and unlock him. THat way he does not realize that he has death on its way. You can also try firing a salvo or two at cruisers in hopes of taking them out. THen again, they are some of the more primary targets anyway, and will die from the instagankers before your torps cross the 60km gap.
Now I fly a megathron for gate camps. I am still trying to figure it out. Got it fit with rails, dmg mods up the wazoo, and tracking computers, sensor boosters. We will see how many kills I can get with that thing.
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Jupitus
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Posted - 2005.01.28 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vvari
no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.01.28 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Thyro
Edited by: Thyro on 27/01/2005 18:25:30
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Raven works for anything but mining
Also Armageddon ;) works for anything, mining including
Gotta say i agree.. Cheap ship , cheap to kit out and lets be fair damn good for pVp or fleet battles. Urr I guesse you could mine in it  If thats your cup of tea.
Suppose the main downside is that your joining the other thousand odd ppl allready flying them
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.01.28 09:26:00 -
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Only bs i ever fly is a blasterthron, its got style and no-one can stand it's 'charm'
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.28 09:40:00 -
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no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
I fly two ships Raven and Apoc, It is true that to undock and deal damage the Raven Takes less skill points but a bad pilot is a bad pilot. With moderate skills the Apoc is a superior ship to the Raven.
Armour tanking requires vastly less skill points than shield tanking.
Missles when maxed require significantly less skill points than gunnery, However the return on maxed gunnery skills is significantly higher than on missles.
At very High skill levels the Raven is vastly superior to the Apoc in PVP and significantly inferior with regard to PVE.
Glad to see the Tempest is being fixed it is a nice ship and I have always been tempted to learn to fly one, but it is a sniper and I like my combat close range.
Megathron is still broken as a tier II its only function now is as a Gate camper or ganker. "Style is Subjective"
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.28 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
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Glad to see the Tempest is being fixed it is a nice ship and I have always been tempted to learn to fly one, but it is a sniper and I like my combat close range.
Whoever beleives a Tempest isnt a close range monster needs there heads examined
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.28 09:51:00 -
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Oh and Im a little out the loop, can someone point me to thread about upcoming missles changes pls ....
I know the word on the street but I aint seen nothing in writing
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Bellicose
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Posted - 2005.01.28 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jupitus
Originally by: Vvari
no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
lemme guess a raven pilot? ... you really dont have a clue about anything, anyone can fly a raven or scorp with very little skills in combat , unlike the blasterthron wich takes alot more skills and balls to fly
Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon?
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.28 15:35:00 -
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lemme guess a raven pilot? ... you really dont have a clue about anything, anyone can fly a raven or scorp with very little skills in combat , unlike the blasterthron wich takes alot more skills and balls to fly
As a Raven Pilot I feel compelled to defend the Raven "Not quite so determined to defend Raven Pilots in general, to the skilled among you I apologise"
Like all ships it boasts as pilots the good, the bad and just plain stupid.
But this low skill rubbish is starting to get annoying I have just totted it up and excluding Learning,Industry and skills specific to other ships I have invested 12.2 million skills points in 37 skills dedicated to flying a Raven Well.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.01.28 15:52:00 -
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I fly Caldari and Gallente ships and you need skills if you want to pvp in them, but I think the mega needs that little bit more hard work
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:50:00 -
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It is alot of learning to fly a Megathorn well, I know I have just started the learning the skills I need to fly a Megathron "WELL" and even working on a good base it looks like it is going to take three to four months not counting learning Gal Battle Ship five. :(
Time to strap on a blaster or two.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: markol
Then I bought a raven. This is a great 1v1 ship. It's a great NPC hunter. Never mined in it, and will kill you if you ever try. It can tank real well. It has some cap issues, but who doesnt. <ignores the apoc> It can deal some serious dmg of all types, which is just amazing.
Then I flew a raven into a fleet battle. Worst ship ever. It takes so long for your misiles to hit, it's ridiculous. Your enemy knows that you have him locked, and will promptly warp away long before your torps can hit him ...
Passive targeting device anyone? Death comes in many forms ...
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
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lemme guess a raven pilot? ... you really dont have a clue about anything, anyone can fly a raven or scorp with very little skills in combat , unlike the blasterthron wich takes alot more skills and balls to fly
As a Raven Pilot I feel compelled to defend the Raven "Not quite so determined to defend Raven Pilots in general, to the skilled among you I apologise"
Like all ships it boasts as pilots the good, the bad and just plain stupid.
But this low skill rubbish is starting to get annoying I have just totted it up and excluding Learning,Industry and skills specific to other ships I have invested 12.2 million skills points in 37 skills dedicated to flying a Raven Well.
Dude. Its a fact. Throwing every other ship-related skill into the mix won't change the fact that you can fly a Raven "well" ie. it can kick many other BSs ass and be a versatile killer of smaller class ships to boot. Where you can NPC hunt and PVP with very similar set ups.
So if you do a straight comparison in SP between a Raven pilot and a Mega pilot for say tanking ability and damage per sec I think you'll find that there will be a very large gap in favour of the Raven. So this "low skill rubbish" aint rubbish. Why don't you do the numbers?
This is of course without the actual skill required and restrictions put on the blaster set up.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:28:00 -
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tbh I prefer the typhoon... althou it needs a bonus overhaul 
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 11:46:00 -
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So if you do a straight comparison in SP between a Raven pilot and a Mega pilot for say tanking ability and damage per sec I think you'll find that there will be a very large gap in favour of the Raven. So this "low skill rubbish" aint rubbish. Why don't you do the numbers?
Armour tanking 512000 skill points
Shild tanking 2560000 skill points doin the numbers
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goleane
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:17:00 -
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can you explain these number and how do they add to an ACTIVE shield tanking setup ?
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Liam Fremen
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Liam Fremen on 31/01/2005 12:36:34
Lol this guy simply counted all skill with "shield" inside and made them at lvl5...
Maybe he should explain how much effective is having lvl5 Tactical shield for exemple :D
Btw, i fly Gallente/Caldari/Minmatar battleship, tryed all them...
Mega unlukly for mission takes more time than a well fitted cruiser... in pvp is funny, but ur wallet go down pretty much... u die very often if u fight "hard"
The Phoon/Tempest are nice.. i use often phoon as support bs for lvl4 miss, i use 3 hull for agility/speed, + 100mn ab's tech2... it become very fast and handly!
And last but not least.... raven, i bought a raven 4 days ago, after leaving the caldari bs skill there alone for weeks.... well i make lvl4 mission like eating candy... without a "super fitting" only with some "mind" and tactics....
So, for a noob raven 4thewin......
But, i think is VERY DAMN BORING!!!
I want see my enemy explode 1 meters from me while my cannon destroy it!
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:13:00 -
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Because of the imbalance between Guns and Missles the Raven is going to be needlessly nerfed. The Raven as a ship is not over powered and requires a great deal of skill to fly well the imbalance is caused because of missles, where it is true that there is a vast imbalance in skill requirements.
Shield Tanking requires a great deal more skill and skill points than armour tanking and yes all my Shield skills are at lvl 5 I have only flown Caldari ships for over a year and found that the shields were kinda important. :P
I belive that to be as effective as they are missles should require more supporting skills. Perhaps a damage nerf and a miss chance offset by additional skills which enhance damage and reduce miss chance, or maybe making them subject to the same type of bonuses that guns are.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Stront3h on 31/01/2005 13:39:00
Personaly I'd go for an Apoc or Gedon.
Amarrian battleships are the personal love children of the devs. Not only will you get the best all round BS, you'll be then able to mount the best guns in the game on it.
Other than them I'd go for something like the Typhoon as it's a very versatile ship.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:21:00 -
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Geddon and Apoc are certainly the current favourites.
Their ability to run an effective tank setup permanently is unmatched.
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Kelly O'Connor
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:31:00 -
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Apoc id have then if not get the Mega.
As the guy said earlier, suckers of men genitals fly raven or guys who have no idea what there doing, easy kills but in fleet battles the missles take so long its no fun, get some tacs on and get ya insta damage :).
Plus apcs n megas are cool mining ships
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jupitus
Originally by: Vvari
no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
This is so true. People only train for throns because they think they look cool. Like BMW drivers I reckon 
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Leam
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Jupitus
Originally by: Vvari
no best ship in game, players with style fly a blasterthron. players with no skills fly a raven, and players that npc alot fly an apoc.
and you can also mine in an apoc and mega.
Fact, Mega pilots have their heads so far up their own arses they actually start to believe there own bull****.
This is so true. People only train for throns because they think they look cool. Like BMW drivers I reckon
exactly. I like to die with style.
anyway, isn't imposible to beat a raven or apoc in a megathorn, it's just harder, i like challenges 
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 16:03:00 -
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anyway, isn't imposible to beat a raven or apoc in a megathorn, it's just harder, i like challenges
No ship is impossible to beat, and a Megathorn properly fitted for PVP is as devastating a bird of prey as any other.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.01.31 16:53:00 -
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Not everyone who flies a Raven is a newb. >_>
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:43:00 -
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Well here goes...
The raven/scorp are far and away the easiest ships skill point wise to use. Also they are both extremly usefull in a wide varitity of situations. Ushally they are the best bet for your first BS.
Gunboats, require more skills then your average missile boat, though the rewards, in terms of damage, are bettter at the high levels. Someone with say 5mill SP in gunnery is probably better off in a turret boat, as he'll ushally do more damage with guns then with missiles. Gunboats do require more skills, player and skill points, to be of any use what so ever. At lower skills you'll find turrets to be utterly usless.
I would say pick a ship type and train for that. Find out what role you would like to play and then train for the race that best fitts that role.
Want to be a solo pirate? Then the raven/scorp wold be your best choice.
How about the heavy hitter in a small wolf pack? Mega fits this role well.
The long range damage dealer in a large fleet? The tempest...
You get the idea.
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