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Final Revision	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:15:00 - [1] Hey all - please forgive the classic newb question, I'm looking to make some T2 drones for my corp, and would like to get my hands on a BPO or two. My question: How do I go about getting that T2 BPO? I've read a lot of guides on the BPO subject, but I find myself more and more confused. Is it simply a research from T1 to T2? Or do I have to get it from someone who got lucky back in the old lottery days? Please do let me know and thank you, FR
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:30:00 - [2] My advice is to either buy some BPC's from contracts or look into invention from T1 BPC's to create your own T2 versions. T2 BPO's cost billions and are sometimes up for sale, but chances are you won't have the capital for that kind of investment. Invention or buying some preinvented bpc's from contracts is your best and most cost effective answer. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Final Revision I'm looking to make some T2 drones for my corp, and would like to get my hands on a BPO or two. The simple answer is, save up about 5 years of max potential profit from the BPO, and then use all that money to buy a BPO from another player.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Final Revision I'm looking to make some T2 drones for my corp Invent T2 BPCs from T1 BPCs. Quote: and would like to get my hands on a BPO or two. Why ? Quote: My question: How do I go about getting that T2 BPO? Put up a WTB thread in the appropriate subforum and wait for somebody to offer one, or keep checking the sales order forum and in-game contracts until one appears for sale. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T Invent T2 BPCs from T1 BPCs. But be very careful which ones you invent. Some drones have demand lower than the supply avaialabel from T2 BPO holders, and actually sell for less than the cost of inventing them. There are plenty of drones out there that can be invented and manufactured at a profit, but you always have to run the numbers to ensure the ones you are thinking about are indeed profitable.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.02.07 23:09:00 - [6] Edited by: Akita T on 07/02/2011 23:10:23 Originally by: LHA Tarawa Originally by: Akita T Invent T2 BPCs from T1 BPCs. But be very careful which ones you invent. Some drones have demand lower than the supply avaialabel from T2 BPO holders, and actually sell for less than the cost of inventing them. In fact, some have such a low demand that only a fraction of the T2 BPO production capability is needed, so they barely sell above T2 BPO manufacture cost, and the potential profit for using that particular T2 BPO is lower than the potential profit from using almost any other T1 BPOs (even some of the really cheap ones). Still, the corresponding T2 BPOs sell for quite a pretty penny, but not due to (almost non-existent) profit, instead almost exclusively for the "collector value" of a limited-edition item. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Death Comes2U	Posted - 2011.02.08 21:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 07/02/2011 23:10:23 Originally by: LHA Tarawa Originally by: Akita T Invent T2 BPCs from T1 BPCs. But be very careful which ones you invent. Some drones have demand lower than the supply avaialabel from T2 BPO holders, and actually sell for less than the cost of inventing them. In fact, some have such a low demand that only a fraction of the T2 BPO production capability is needed, so they barely sell above T2 BPO manufacture cost, and the potential profit for using that particular T2 BPO is lower than the potential profit from using almost any other T1 BPOs (even some of the really cheap ones). Still, the corresponding T2 BPOs sell for quite a pretty penny, but not due to (almost non-existent) profit, instead almost exclusively for the "collector value" of a limited-edition item. Thanks everyone and Akita for helping me out here. Akita, I'm currently reading your article about T2 BPOs and am coming to the conclusion that a BPC in some cases could actually yield more profit. Of course I need to do the analysis tonight to see the actual upfront cost of researching a T2 for the item I'm looking for. But I'm getting the feeling that the initial investment, ME/PE research, and subsequent ROI are outrageous in many cases. Are there any pitfalls beyond these to look out for? Or is the BPC route the one generally taken? I guess the reason most folks take to BPOs is either 1. Preferring/required to manufacture in deep space and not willing to risk shuttling BPCs 2. Cost of BPC purchase - which is minimal/non-existent until the BPO is paid off What have I missed? Thank you, FR
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:33:00 - [8] Just pretend that T2 BPO don't exist. Check your costs and the sales prices & volumes to decide what to make a profit at throguh INVENTION. Check the forum sticky for helpful guides on invention. EVE-Search.com too of course.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.02.09 11:24:00 - [9] You can get a T1 BPO cheaply enough if you look for the NPC price, a few million for most of them, then you just make plenty of max run copies, grab some datacores, which you can get either on the market or from having your own R&D agents in the appropriate fields. I wouldn't bother with decryptors for drones, they can be an expensive addition to the cost analysis, especially if you have a bad run and lose them with little return. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2011.02.09 20:43:00 - [10] Originally by: LHA Tarawa Edited by: LHA Tarawa on 07/02/2011 22:37:16 Originally by: Final Revision I'm looking to make some T2 drones for my corp, and would like to get my hands on a BPO or two. The simple answer is, save up about 5 years of max potential profit from the BPO, and then use all that money to buy a BPO from another player. More complicated answer.... Get in your time machine and go back about 3 years to the time of the lottery. Grind standings, learn skills, sign up with an R&D agent. This gives you points into the lottery from which players were drawn and received a T2 BPO. If you got a good T2 BPO, you were insantally a bazillionaire. If you got a suck one, it was barely worth your while. If you didn't win at all, then all the R&D was an insane waste of time. CCP got rid of the VERY bad lottery game mechanic, but for some reason, decided to leave the existing BPOs instead of converting them into long lived BPCs. Then, for the last 3 years or so, these boards have had to have at least one thread a week about how awesome/suck T2 BPOs are and how then should stay/be removed from the game. T2 BPOs... ever a source of hate and discontent among newer players who will never have a reasonible chace of getting one, and a source of arrogant entitlement to to current owners. I could swear you had sworn off crying about this. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist	Posted - 2011.02.09 20:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Tasko Pal on 09/02/2011 20:52:28 Originally by: LHA Tarawa CCP got rid of the VERY bad lottery game mechanic, but for some reason, decided to leave the existing BPOs instead of converting them into long lived BPCs. Quote: T2 BPOs... ever a source of hate and discontent among newer players who will never have a reasonible chace of getting one, and a source of arrogant entitlement to to current owners. In other words, you can bitterly grind an ax over a non-issue, lobbying for years to take away someone's hard earned assets because of petty jealousy. Or you can think, "Five years to double my money? Is terrible! Don't want."
Talismyn	Posted - 2011.02.09 23:38:00 - [12] If you want T2 drones, just buy them off the market - robotics are expensive since PI and there is hardly any profit. Those T2 BPO prints have lost a LOT of value...
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2011.02.10 03:58:00 - [13] There is more profit in invention than owning 1 t2 bpo anyway and you will save yourself billions.
Shadow Lord77	Posted - 2011.02.10 06:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Tasko Pal Edited by: Tasko Pal on 09/02/2011 20:52:28 Originally by: LHA Tarawa CCP got rid of the VERY bad lottery game mechanic, but for some reason, decided to leave the existing BPOs instead of converting them into long lived BPCs. Quote: T2 BPOs... ever a source of hate and discontent among newer players who will never have a reasonible chace of getting one, and a source of arrogant entitlement to to current owners. In other words, you can bitterly grind an ax over a non-issue, lobbying for years to take away someone's hard earned assets because of petty jealousy. Or you can think, "Five years to double my money? Is terrible! Don't want." CCP isn't God Tasko. Keeping Tech 2 BPO's in-game is a poor game mechanic.

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