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Kim Jong Lau	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:23:00 - [1] When CCP stated they may remove jump bridges from 0.0 to encourage PvP and activity, you would expect people to be happy, but you cant please everyone. With simple changes such as jump bridge removal or supercap changes, high ranking dictators of a certain coalition have made it their ambition now to control all seats in the CSM. Now normally I would post this in CAOD, but considering how CSM elections affect everyone and the plan is to "punish non sov holding alliance, including lowsec pirates and empire" I figured I would post it here. All this because jump bridges might get removed "In this election, there will be no 'democracy'." - 0.0 will be all MINE!
Mister Onyc	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:28:00 - [2] Edited by: Mister Onyc on 08/02/2011 01:39:35 Edit: Ok, so i see EVElopedia is not up to date. Ignore this! Where would one get the new CSM rules or whatever they are called? Can't find a neat up-to-date .pdf anywhere. While we're at it.. Why is Vuk Lau on his third term right now? To quote Evelopedia here http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Term_Length_and_Duration_of_the_CSM Quote: Each player council of Representatives and Alternates lasts for six months, beginning one week after the declaration of election winners. Campaigning and open voting for the next Council will begin four weeks prior to the expiration of the current CSMÆs term. Election winners will be determined before the sitting CouncilÆs term expires. No Representative or Alternate can serve more than two terms on the CSM, consecutive or otherwise. An Alternate has been considered serving a term the instant he or she attends a Council meeting in the absence of a Representative; an Alternate can be elected more than two times if that Alternate does not participates in any Council meetings. Bolded the important part. Now while browsing through the lists of the last representatives there i noticed Vuk Lau was in the second, third, and now the fith CSM. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Members_of_the_second_CSM http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Members_of_the_third_CSM http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Members_of_the_fifth_CSM
iP0D	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:32:00 - [3] Edited by: iP0D on 08/02/2011 01:33:51 Jump bridges won't get removed. They are population enablers, flat out removing them is not good for the effective niche. Once CCP realises that, and I am pretty sure they already have in their discussions with the CSM 5, they will look at factors and variables related to what is commonly referred to as "fck jumpbridges omg wtf do not touch". It's a topic of projection of force. And that is pretty much the scope of it. Nothing more. As for "control" over the CSM. Heh. There is no social engineering CCP as long as there is transparancy at CCP and from the CSM towards players. When transparancy is absent, you see special interests. CCP does what it wants either way. No matter how cool a CSM member can be with them, or how "brosefs" or "awesome". The only way to influence CCP's decisions through providing them with well argumented, metrics founded and properly communicated actions with accountability, is to really treat it as a job. In that way CSM is no different from playing EVE, some would say :P So yes, there will be two goon candidates, one or two candidates from Morsus Mihi, there will be one or two candidates from russian backgrounds, so what. Either way, this is really a topic for Jit Park, and not something to throw around elsewhere, as it is a CSM topic. Originally by:* Mister Onyc While we're at it.. Why is Vuk Lau on his third term right now? To quote Evelopedia here Evelopedia is not up to date, often. CCP changed the term length, and removed the term limit, for CSM 5 and onwards.
Ben Alman Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Mister Onyc Edited by: Mister Onyc on 08/02/2011 01:29:29 While we're at it.. Why is Vuk Lau on his third term right now? Perhaps only consecutive counts. Or he sold his char to his brother or something and it isn't the same person anymore officially ;)
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2011.02.08 02:13:00 - [5] No, when people apply they have to also provide personal info such as their name. I'm sure CCP would let their userbase know that the character running for election that had a previous post isn't the same person anymore, for the sake of those that voted for the other person previously. --- Sig removed till it's relevant again.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.08 02:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 08/02/2011 02:29:59 If the CSM actually mattered, I might be concerned. Still, having said that, most of the leadership of the NC are whiny, self-entitled egotists, and the south are no better. Player-owned nullsec has just turned people into elitist ****ers who think that "their way" is better than everyone else's, and anyone wanting to do anything else is a "pubbie" or "carebear" or whatever derogatory term is flavour of the month now. Mittens can do whatever the hell he likes (kinda of the point I'm trying to make here TBH), but if you start forcing your gameplay onto others then you're straying into the bounds of "delusions of grandeur", and it might be time to step back and think about what you're doing for a while.
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.08 02:30:00 - [7] incursions nerfed jump bridges. Plus most 0.0 alliance leaders are hated by the majority non 0.0 eve.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.08 02:40:00 - [8] CCP already know the jump bridges are bad for pvp. It doesn't matter what CSM think
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:49:00 - [9] WTS my vote. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.08 04:42:00 - [10] Players as a whole never have the welfare of the entire game in mind, which is why the CSM can only ever be advisory. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~

Meridith Akesia Tempest Legion	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Jovan Geldon If the CSM actually mattered, I might be concerned. This tbh
Mira Robinson Arkons of Myth	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:49:00 - [12] The issues that are brought to CSM and actually supported are not law. CCP will notice this, and nothing dramatic would actually happen if one party controlled all of the council. This is an ego-maniac's fantasy. Nothing more. ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.02.08 06:36:00 - [13] CSM is currently only used as a think-tank to prioritise a shortlist of minor updates designed to placate angry subscribers while CCP work on other games. It will be many years before CCP look to the CSM for actual game ideas or fix any of the issues the CSM has been bumping for years now.
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.08 07:14:00 - [14] They gotta secure their RMT income somehow, you know. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.

CCP Spitfire	Posted - 2011.02.08 09:35:00 - [15] Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Vuk Lau	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:36:00 - [16] Hahahahaha props for beating me in making that char. I am ****ing lazy lately.
Rick Rocks'Hard	Posted - 2011.02.09 05:20:00 - [17] I vote for term limits and CCP can either back someone it likes and agrees with, or immediately disqualify them. This is CCP's game, they do and have done a damn good job at what they do. Term limits though, allow the game to grow and continue to engage new players. No one wants the same old chronies calling the shots, I thought that was the point of electing CSM's
Random Number Generator	Posted - 2011.02.09 11:21:00 - [18] Sovereignty needs a complete overhaul, an overhaul that includes changes to POS, Outposts, System Upgrades and finally sovereignty itself. Otherwise it'll always be about massing 1 overpowered ship type. I don't see CCP doing any real work towards 0.0, so we'll end up with more and more (s)capitals. Even if they nerf it, as the time goes by capital numbers will only increase. Even if you "secure" all the seats, it won't ever matter, because both CCP and CSM won't have the balls to fix that is beyond broken. The jacket we're wearing is a jacket no more, its a carnival of patches made to patch the patches. Be happy if they nerf SC within 2 years.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.09 17:08:00 - [19] Disallow all people mentioned in those communications for planning to rig the election, however inconsequential it may be, and by coercion no less. Originally by: Ai Mei incursions nerfed jump bridges. Huh? Are Incursions everywhere now? Does an Incursion prevent a by-pass from from being thrown up temporarily? Originally by: Ai Mei Plus most 0.0 alliance leaders are hated by the majority non 0.0 eve. You can be fairly sure that most 0.0 people hate the leaders too, but they suck it up and muddle along like with real world politicians
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 18:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Rick Rocks'Hard [...] This is CCP's game, they do and have done a damn good job at what they do. WTH? You must be new to this game... Quote: No one wants the same old chronies calling the shots, I thought that was the point of electing CSM's And what makes you think the majority of older/veteran players cares a whit about CSM? Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Ai Mei Plus most 0.0 alliance leaders are hated by the majority non 0.0 eve. You can be fairly sure that most 0.0 people hate the leaders too, but they suck it up and muddle along like with real world politicians You are being soooo wrong, m8. We love our high&mighty leader in so many ways that Romeo&Juliet looks like a cheap B-movie in comparison.

Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.09 22:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Dlardrageth Originally by: Rick Rocks'Hard [...] This is CCP's game, they do and have done a damn good job at what they do. WTH? You must be new to this game... Quote: No one wants the same old chronies calling the shots, I thought that was the point of electing CSM's And what makes you think the majority of older/veteran players cares a whit about CSM? Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Ai Mei Plus most 0.0 alliance leaders are hated by the majority non 0.0 eve. You can be fairly sure that most 0.0 people hate the leaders too, but they suck it up and muddle along like with real world politicians You are being soooo wrong, m8. We love our high&mighty leader in so many ways that Romeo&Juliet looks like a cheap B-movie in comparison. This is quite possibly the worst post I have read today. Congratulations, Sir.
Kim Jong Lau	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 10/02/2011 16:34:06 Originally by: Vuk Lau Hahahahaha props for beating me in making that char. I am ****ing lazy lately. Oh hi Vuk, surprised to see you on here, how you doing, still playing once every two weeks I see :( you gotta tell me how your coalition is still alive when major players like you and Fred0 are inactive. Whats your secret? - 0.0 will be all MINE!
Xel Set	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: Dlardrageth Originally by: Rick Rocks'Hard [...] This is CCP's game, they do and have done a damn good job at what they do. WTH? You must be new to this game... Quote: No one wants the same old chronies calling the shots, I thought that was the point of electing CSM's And what makes you think the majority of older/veteran players cares a whit about CSM? Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Ai Mei Plus most 0.0 alliance leaders are hated by the majority non 0.0 eve. You can be fairly sure that most 0.0 people hate the leaders too, but they suck it up and muddle along like with real world politicians You are being soooo wrong, m8. We love our high&mighty leader in so many ways that Romeo&Juliet looks like a cheap B-movie in comparison. This is quite possibly the worst post I have read today. Congratulations, Sir. Actually, _your_ awful post is the worst one in the thread thus far. You denigrate without identifying the aspects with which you take issue. So, good job failposting about failposts. Next time consider pointing at yourself, because your exhibited ability to both reason and communicate are an arrogant embarrassment, though, prototypically, you don't seem to realize it. That being said, removing jumpbridges seems like an overreaction and a bad idea because doing so removes a facet of the game with the capacity to be used in a variety of interesting, strategic ways. If there is a nerf solution to more variety in pvp, entirely removing jumpbridges may be said to go too far. Goons and nullsec dwellers with a similar CSM agenda represent not only a substantial part of the player base, but a portion of the player base that may be said to be very actively engaged in the full measure of the game. They have every right and reason to take as much of the CSM as they can, and they will represent a large body of reasonably like-minded constituents beyond their own membership if they do. There's nothing sinister about it. If you fail to persuade enough votes against them, a reasonable majority will have spoken.
Fyodor Dostoyevsky 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2011.02.11 09:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Disallow all people mentioned in those communications for planning to rig the election, however inconsequential it may be, and by coercion no less. You do understand the difference between lobbying for votes and rigging an election, right? No one's attempting to tamper with the actual voting process here.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.02.12 09:21:00 - [25] This thread is lols. Vote Sokratesz for CSM-6!
Vuk Lau 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.12 13:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Kim Jong Lau Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 10/02/2011 16:34:06 Originally by: Vuk Lau Hahahahaha props for beating me in making that char. I am **ing lazy lately. Oh hi Vuk, surprised to see you on here, how you doing, still playing once every two weeks I see :( you gotta tell me how your coalition is still alive when major players like you and Fred0 are inactive. Whats your secret? Yeah I am extremely inactive. On this char only (and I have like...20+ I am playing on): Originally by:** Vuk Lau paid Until - 23-06-2011 create Date - 13-09-2004 logon Count - 9595 time spend EvE - 488d 21h 21m I would poorly rate your troll, but sadly its a not troll, you are just plain dumb.
Serious Internet Politician www.seriousinternetpolitician.com	Posted - 2011.02.12 16:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Fyodor Dostoyevsky Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Disallow all people mentioned in those communications for planning to rig the election, however inconsequential it may be, and by coercion no less. You do understand the difference between lobbying for votes and rigging an election, right? No one's attempting to tamper with the actual voting process here. I read tamper as somethign else and was slightly startled that you knew about my cunning plan. yours, serious
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.02.13 04:05:00 - [28] Oh man, that collection of people totally want to get elected so they can advocate policies they favor. How nefarious!!!
Boris Petroshevski	Posted - 2011.02.20 03:28:00 - [29] Edited by: Boris Petroshevski on 20/02/2011 03:28:57 oh noes someone might call on all the people allied with him to help get him elected so his portion of the game doesnt become worse? This sounds absolutely scandalous. Seriously even if you had all 0.0 or even all NC members its not like they would ask CCP to make 0.0 suck more... sure they might not put much effort into hisec but the extreme worry they might.. idk cheat or something is dumb especially with the fact that CSM does more towards informing us than actually making a large impact on eve. Idk I love my dictators/overlords in 0.0.... I find most people that dont like them simply dont like working in a team to accomplish team goals as opposed to working towards their own personal agenda. In 0.0 we are blobbers not 2 man get as many kills as you can pirates. Of course if your 0.0 alliance leaders are stealing your isk you might be mad as well but few of the big power alliances do that, its mostly the fail pets.
Manfred Sideous H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.02.20 23:11:00 - [30] One Ex Dev to rule them all. Vote Seleene! ________________________________________________

Disgruntled Flying Monkey	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:15:00 - [31] Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 27/02/2011 10:15:05 Turns out this was all true, you can already see the slimy NC trying to take over everything, perhaps to make up for having no power as a child. A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0 Vote for Prom! How can anyone vote for Mittani when he blatantly says he wants to make eve worse, remove PvP from 0.0 and punish people in lowsec
Disgruntled Flying Monkey	Posted - 2011.02.28 09:10:00 - [32] Remember people NC want to control ALL of 0.0 and all of CSM to speed up the process, do you truly want 0.0 to be solely controlled by one coalition? If not then dont vote for any NC CSM candidates
Anxekay	Posted - 2011.02.28 10:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 27/02/2011 10:15:05 Turns out this was all true, you can already see the slimy NC trying to take over everything, perhaps to make up for having no power as a child. A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0 Vote for Prom! How can anyone vote for Mittani when he blatantly says he wants to make eve worse, remove PvP from 0.0 and punish people in lowsec I'd try and explain just how silly this is, but merely considering that someone actually believes this mess makes my brain hurt so I'm just going to have to conclude that you are, in fact, trolling.
Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.02.28 12:12:00 - [34] Don't write the zero-sec hegemony a blank cheque.
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.28 16:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 27/02/2011 10:15:05 Turns out this was all true, you can already see the slimy NC trying to take over everything, perhaps to make up for having no power as a child. A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0 Vote for Prom! How can anyone vote for Mittani when he blatantly says he wants to make eve worse, remove PvP from 0.0 and punish people in lowsec your suffering and frustration unironically give me pleasure you're lying about my intentions, though vOv Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMit
Karadion	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 27/02/2011 10:15:05 Turns out this was all true, you can already see the slimy NC trying to take over everything, perhaps to make up for having no power as a child. A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0 Vote for Prom! How can anyone vote for Mittani when he blatantly says he wants to make eve worse, remove PvP from 0.0 and punish people in lowsec Okay I'll bite. How is he "blatantly says he wants to make eve worse"? Do you have an example of this? No incoherent ramblings, I want examples (plural). Heck, his Tentonhammer articles (All 57 of them http://www.tentonhammer.com/features/mittani) work too if you want to use them.
Disgruntled Flying Monkey	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:10:00 - [37] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 27/02/2011 10:15:05 Turns out this was all true, you can already see the slimy NC trying to take over everything, perhaps to make up for having no power as a child. A vote for NC is a vote for combat free 0.0 Vote for Prom! How can anyone vote for Mittani when he blatantly says he wants to make eve worse, remove PvP from 0.0 and punish people in lowsec your suffering and frustration unironically give me pleasure you're lying about my intentions, though vOv Someone needs to 'unironically' learn new (real) words, perhaps you should read a dictionary, at your next anger management session at the free clinic
Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:15:00 - [38] Originally by: The Mittani you're lying about my intentions, though vOv
Karadion	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:17:00 - [39] Edited by: Karadion on 28/02/2011 17:17:11 Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Someone needs to 'unironically' learn new (real) words, perhaps you should read a dictionary, at your next anger management session at the free clinic Screw it, hi Kalle. How are you doing? Is your paranoia finally contaminating your brain?
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:45:00 - [40] Its funny how you flying monkeys claim he is sincere when he has openly announced his intentions, contradicted himself, randomly flamed other CSM candidates for no reason and started a campaign making him AND vile rat both look like hypocrites. Or maybe I am paranoid and Mittani never said he wants to harm lowsec, make it harder for non sov holders to pvp and try to have NC take full control over CSM so they wont have any issues with moon goo transportation There is also a thread on kugu about this issue and leaked logs showing NC bitter about PL so much that they have to do something to preserve their holy land from receiving any PvP action But you cant blame Mittani from trying to be like Darius / Suas, lucky for players CCP wont listen to hypocrites like him.

Anxekay	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Its funny how you flying monkeys claim he is sincere when he has openly announced his intentions, contradicted himself, randomly flamed other CSM candidates for no reason and started a campaign making him AND vile rat both look like hypocrites. Or maybe I am paranoid and Mittani never said he wants to harm lowsec, make it harder for non sov holders to pvp and try to have NC take full control over CSM so they wont have any issues with moon goo transportation There is also a thread on kugu about this issue and leaked logs showing NC bitter about PL so much that they have to do something to preserve their holy land from receiving any PvP action But you cant blame Mittani from trying to be like Darius / Suas, lucky for players CCP wont listen to hypocrites like him. I'm not sure you're actually reading that post you are linking. Can you tell me where, explicitly, The Mittani said that he wants to 'harm lowsec', 'make it harder for non sov holders to pvp' or that he wants to do this so the NC 'wont have any issues with moon goo transportation'? Because, honestly, I can't read anything remotely like that at all.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.02.28 18:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Its funny how you flying monkeys claim he is sincere when he has openly announced his intentions, contradicted himself, randomly flamed other CSM candidates for no reason and started a campaign making him AND vile rat both look like hypocrites. Or maybe I am paranoid and Mittani never said he wants to harm lowsec, make it harder for non sov holders to pvp and try to have NC take full control over CSM so they wont have any issues with moon goo transportation There is also a thread on kugu about this issue and leaked logs showing NC bitter about PL so much that they have to do something to preserve their holy land from receiving any PvP action But you cant blame Mittani from trying to be like Darius / Suas, lucky for players CCP wont listen to hypocrites like him. Thank you for proving me right, Kalle. How are you doing?
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 00:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 01/03/2011 00:13:36 I will wait for the announced CSM candidates before I reveal more stuff, like MittaniÆs open acceptance of botting where he encourages members to bot in venal and was the one who encouraged TEST to bot because Originally by: The Mittani [..]everyone bots just do it I dont care, just be careful not to bot for more than 14 hours or be stupid enough to tell people From moon goo exploits to encouraging botting, what other eula violations are NC going to promote, it would explain why he doesnÆt mention anything about botting in his campaign :D
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.01 00:25:00 - [44] faking logs didn't work for teredrum son, it won't work for you either Sins of a Solar Spymaster TheMittani on Twitter
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 00:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 01/03/2011 00:13:36 I will wait for the announced CSM candidates before I reveal more stuff, like MittaniÆs open acceptance of botting where he encourages members to bot in venal and was the one who encouraged TEST to bot because Originally by: The Mittani [..]everyone bots just do it I dont care, just be careful not to bot for more than 14 hours or be stupid enough to tell people From moon goo exploits to encouraging botting, what other eula violations are NC going to promote, it would explain why he doesnÆt mention anything about botting in his campaign :D When you say "open acceptance", everyone assumes searchable by google or on K.com which neither have that fake quote you just made up. Nice try. Put up with evidence or shut up. Especially when the CSM candidates are subjected to scrutiny by CCP so Mittani is pretty clear on this so you're desperate to lie, Kalle.
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 10:18:00 - [46] Like I said, lets wait for the announcement first, wouldnt want to put effort on a sociopath unless there is a reason
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.01 11:15:00 - [47] Have you seen the crap they use as "platforms"? I wouldn't worry too much, they'll only be getting the votes they coerce or pay their bot-handlers to give.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 12:14:00 - [48] Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 12:24:58 Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Like I said, lets wait for the announcement first, wouldnt want to put effort on a sociopath unless there is a reason You're trying to deflect from the liar you are. That quote is 100% fake and you know it, Bismaru. Prove it or shut up. Originally by: Kalle Demos [..]I need to lie whatsoever to stop those North Koreans from taking over the council. I have no proof whatever so I'm willing to make it up. This quote is 100% true and I'm willing to provide proof AFTER the announcement. You can't prove me wrong, Bismaru.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.01 12:24:00 - [49] As we proved,(unfortunately), even opposing a manifestly unstable candidate who later got herself thrown off the CSM for an NDA violation, and doing so with well researched facts and cogent arguments, did nothing. If anything, it helped raise her name recognition. As you are attacking mittens with bull**** and idiotic spew, you don't even have the whole "facts and logic" thing going for you. I think he'd make a great Chair, and I appreciate your work to get him elected. Keep this thread bumped. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 13:22:00 - [50] Edited by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey on 01/03/2011 13:28:02 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero As we proved,(unfortunately), even opposing a manifestly unstable candidate who later got herself thrown off the CSM for an NDA violation, and doing so with well researched facts and cogent arguments, did nothing. If anything, it helped raise her name recognition. As you are attacking mittens with bull**** and idiotic spew, you don't even have the whole "facts and logic" thing going for you. I think he'd make a great Chair, and I appreciate your work to get him elected. Keep this thread bumped. So let me get this correct, you are comparing Mittani to Ankh? Well thats nice to know, but I think most people were already aware of his incompetence. Oh and I never once said he WASNT going to be elected, if anything I have stuck by the fact that he will, with 50k people brown nosing him ONLY because of his ticker, I dont doubt for a second he will get in. Him having any influence on CCP, thats a different story Oh and as for the bumps you and Mittani's lapdog are doing a fine job of bumping this thread, maybe Vuk should just run for CSM again, at least that way people will already have facts on how NC are useless. ôall this because CCP WILL* nerf jump bridges hahahaö* û ThatÆs the funny part of all of this, because in the end jump bridges will happen and there isnt a damn thing you can do Originally by: Karadion Originally by: Kalle Demos [..]I need to lie whatsoever to stop those North Koreans from taking over the council. This quote is 100% true and I'm willing to provide proof AFTER the announcement. You can't prove me wrong, Bismaru. So you agree that North Korea aka NC are on a mission to control all of the CSM seats so jump bridges stay intact so they can continue with RMT in peace Thanks for confirming that, as for me being a liar, well doesnt really matter what I say anymore you just confirmed everything in this thread, well done I guess theres no reason for me to post if you have just confirmed what everyone was thinking anyway. Good luck having all seats in the CSM but dont think it means anything

Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 13:30:00 - [51] Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 13:33:43 Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion Originally by: Kalle Demos [..]I need to lie whatsoever to stop those North Koreans from taking over the council. This quote is 100% true and I'm willing to provide proof AFTER the announcement. You can't prove me wrong, Bismaru. So you agree that North Korea aka NC are on a mission to control all of the CSM seats so jump bridges stay intact so they can continue with RMT in peace Thanks for confirming that, as for me being a liar, well doesnt really matter what I say anymore you just confirmed everything in this thread, well done I guess theres no reason for me to post if you have just confirmed what everyone was thinking anyway. Good luck having all seats in the CSM but dont think it means anything Wow, I never confirmed anything because I was sarcastically backing up my fake quote by you and yet you're twisting some fantasy in your head that I'm confirming something that isn't even true. I'm just a regular Joe Blow with no position of power nor do I have "SEKRAT ACCESS" to anything. So if you want to confirm your fantasy from some guy that has no influence whatsoever, fine with me. I don't care. It goes to show how gullible you are. Thank you Kalle Demos / Bismaru for confirming that it is indeed you. By the way, have you figured out what "Goonion" means yet despite the obvious play on words?
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 13:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Karadion Thank you Kalle Demos / Bismaru for confirming that it is indeed you. By the way, have you figured out what "Goonion" means yet despite the obvious play on words? Goonion - State of the Goons Where Goons RP and pretend Mittani is Obama and they are in fact fighting for USA, there is a thread about this already, however derailing the thread because you are threatened by the truth isnt really a good strategy. So lets go back to how NC want to control all CSM seats so they can 'try to' protect their jump bridges, end pvp in 0.0 and punish anyone that isnt NC
OhThis GuyAgain	Posted - 2011.03.01 13:41:00 - [53] The different NC candidates seem to be bickering more than they are agreeing. Of course that could just be some very coordinated sleight of hand. Can someone please explain what exactly is going on? How many Goon/NC/whoever else is with them candidates are there? How many are working together? Shed more light please.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 13:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion Thank you Kalle Demos / Bismaru for confirming that it is indeed you. By the way, have you figured out what "Goonion" means yet despite the obvious play on words? Goonion - State of the Goons Where Goons RP and pretend Mittani is Obama and they are in fact fighting for USA, there is a thread about this already, however derailing the thread because you are threatened by the truth isnt really a good strategy. So lets go back to how NC want to control all CSM seats so they can 'try to' protect their jump bridges, end pvp in 0.0 and punish anyone that isnt NC Oh my god, seriously? How dense are you? I already know what it means. You really don't get sarcasm, do you? Why don't you PM me ingame and we can have a fun conversation together for the hell of it, if you want. (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A DIRECTOR WITH SEKRAT ACCESS)
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 14:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Karadion Why don't you PM me ingame and we can have a fun conversation together for the hell of it, if you want. I would rather be tied to a chair having my eyes scratched out
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 14:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion Why don't you PM me ingame and we can have a fun conversation together for the hell of it, if you want. I would rather be tied to a chair having my eyes scratched out Red Dragon style?
leich Amarr bish bash bosh	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:31:00 - [57] Yes Jump Bridges need a nerf. (as do jump portal on Titans) Removing completly No. Jump frieghters dont need altering. Ive been thinking about both sides of this argument for a while. the Anwsers. Jump Bridges need a range nerf and a reduction to one per system(From 2) This would mean gate travel would be required between bridges but it wouldnt make logistics take the mic. Jump Freighters should remain un altered i know that for loads of corps and alliances who live very deep in 0.0 they are the Only way to get things into and out of system. They already have to jump through hostile space to get them out. Titan jump portal this should be nerfed to not allow capital size ships through. or any ship with jump capability for that matter. The reason for this is that if two fleets meet and one jumps in itself the other using the portal one would arrive full cap one with less that a thid unbalancing the combat. In making these few changes 0.0 would be a balance between PVP and carebear.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.01 16:32:00 - [58] Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain The different NC candidates seem to be bickering more than they are agreeing. Of course that could just be some very coordinated sleight of hand. Can someone please explain what exactly is going on? How many Goon/NC/whoever else is with them candidates are there? How many are working together? Shed more light please. I know of six goons running: The Mittani, Vile Rat, Helen Highwater, Avalloc, myself, and apparently Twig Andberries. The only two that are part of the whole 0.0 CSM superblock megatakeover whatever project are The Mittani and Vile Rat. Vote KALRAND for CSM!
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:25:00 - [59] I won't vote for Mittani but I might vote for the box of melted snowballs.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.01 18:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Kuronaga I won't vote for Mittani but I might vote for the box of melted snowballs. We can deliver on that! Let me put down some extractors to give you melted snowballs.

Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.01 19:18:00 - [61] Originally by: leich Yes Jump Bridges need a nerf. (as do jump portal on Titans) Removing completly No. Jump frieghters dont need altering. Ive been thinking about both sides of this argument for a while. the Anwsers. Jump Bridges need a range nerf and a reduction to one per system(From 2) This would mean gate travel would be required between bridges but it wouldnt make logistics take the mic. Jump Freighters should remain un altered i know that for loads of corps and alliances who live very deep in 0.0 they are the Only way to get things into and out of system. They already have to jump through hostile space to get them out. Titan jump portal this should be nerfed to not allow capital size ships through. or any ship with jump capability for that matter. The reason for this is that if two fleets meet and one jumps in itself the other using the portal one would arrive full cap one with less that a thid unbalancing the combat. In making these few changes 0.0 would be a balance between PVP and carebear. Im not really sure where the Jump Bridge suggestion initially came from, I guess CCP looked at 0.0 and accepted the fact it is broken, based on the CSM minutes In the CSM reports CCP suggested changing the following things. 1. Jump Bridges (with no CSM including Vuk Lau, queen of NC against the idea of removing jump bridges completely) 2. Number warfare, where numbers control the outcomes and skill is unnecessary 3. Supercap lameage, where supercarriers fill most roles and titans well, enough are produced to the point where subcaps are getting DDÆd and various other things. While CCP havent decided on what they will do they have already confirmed these are things they will look into and naturally got a positive reaction (exception being NC). Now NC are against changes 1 and 2 because it directly affects them and their income, jump bridges makes blobbing easier and number warfare makes NC in effect the powerhouse of 0.0 (though not by skill in any way or form). The NC CSM campaign is pretty funny though, considering CCP have said (feel free to check the last CSM minutes to confirm this or anything I have written) that 0.0 is broken and they will fix it, when however is a different story. NC may hold the most space, NAPs and blues but when the minutes were revealed ONLY NC and NC alts were against the issues and majority welcomed the proposed changes even Vuk Lau (queen of NC). You cant really blame NC for hating PvP and wanting to make 0.0 safer, the funny thing is not one of their CSM has even commented on the fact that Dust will affect sov, perhaps they should read the minutes again ;) and stop focusing on jump bridge changes only
Desya Dak'ann Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.02 01:01:00 - [62] So your implying that the CSM should be controlled by a bunch of hisec carebears who have no idea of whats going on down in null. THIS IS NOW A WIDOT FAILTHREAD!
Goddess Ishtar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.02 01:50:00 - [63] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey NC may hold the most space They don't.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.02 02:07:00 - [64] Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 02:08:46 Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey NC may hold the most space They don't. He's probably blind to anything that is south on a map. For Kalle / Bismaru: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance This should come in handy next time you spew out more garbage.
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.02 07:16:00 - [65] Edited by: Swynet on 02/03/2011 07:22:31 Originally by: Karadion This should come in handy next time you spew out more garbage. NC?? - Who are they? Who are the botters in there? (every one seems to liek those debates) The ones with 1500/less 1500 members and over 35 outposts or those with more/like/less members and less outposts. What are you trying to prove with those silly numbers? ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.02 13:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Karadion Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 02:08:46 Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey NC may hold the most space They don't. He's probably blind to anything that is south on a map. For Kalle / Bismaru: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance This should come in handy next time you spew out more garbage. hahah ohh wow, you know most alliances since dominion only claim space in their influence based on what is there right? My comment was based on regional control, next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.02 16:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 02:08:46 Originally by: Goddess Ishtar Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey NC may hold the most space They don't. He's probably blind to anything that is south on a map. For Kalle / Bismaru: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance This should come in handy next time you spew out more garbage. hahah ohh wow, you know most alliances since dominion only claim space in their influence based on what is there right? My comment was based on regional control, next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team. No, it wasn't. Here you are changing the goal post again to suit your anger / hatred at the GOONIES! If you were stating that DC / NC have more members per capita of space owned, ya you might have a point but to state that NC / Goonswarm have the most space, you were most definitely wrong.
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.02 17:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Karadion <CAOD like smacktalk> No it wasnt + <words>? Wtf are you on about Anyway the announcement has been made of which CSM were accepted, which means your ****poasting can be made with your main on CAOD as I really dont care about non CSM stuff in this thread and tbh neither should you
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.02 17:50:00 - [69] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion <CAOD like smacktalk> No it wasnt + <words>? Wtf are you on about Anyway the announcement has been made of which CSM were accepted, which means your ****poasting can be made with your main on CAOD as I really dont care about non CSM stuff in this thread and tbh neither should you I don't care about much things unlike you wailing about conspiracy regarding NC / DC in your head. Are you saying I'm not posting on my main? What gives you that impression, Kalle/Bismuru?
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.02 20:54:00 - [70] Originally by: Karadion Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion <CAOD like smacktalk> No it wasnt + <words>? Wtf are you on about NC / DC lol

Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.02 20:59:00 - [71] Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 20:59:13 Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Karadion <CAOD like smacktalk> No it wasnt + <words>? Wtf are you on about NC / DC lol You're speaking in some language that no one understands. No wonder why no one listens to you Kalle/Bismaru.
OhThis GuyAgain	Posted - 2011.03.02 21:04:00 - [72] Edited by: OhThis GuyAgain on 02/03/2011 21:04:33 Originally by: Karadion You're speaking in some language that no one understands. No wonder why no one listens to you Kalle/Bismaru. Yet this thread has reached three pages! EDIT... ...wait what do you mean there weren't any posts by other actual people who were concerned about the situation and for whom this thread brought their attention to this giant conspiracy?... Huh, you're right. It's filled with alts and trolls. I guess no one is actually listening. HEY EVERYONE LOOK IN THIS THREAD BUMP BUMP BUMP
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.02 21:06:00 - [73] Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain Originally by: Karadion You're speaking in some language that no one understands. No wonder why no one listens to you Kalle/Bismaru. Yet this thread has reached three pages! ... ...wait what do you mean there weren't any posts by other actual people who were concerned about the situation and for whom this thread brought their attention to this giant conspiracy?... Huh, you're right. It's filled with alts and trolls. I guess no one is actually listening. He's fun. He's like the red-headed step child that every organization has even on Eve.
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.02 22:53:00 - [74] My machinations are timeless, your stupidity will only add to my intelligence
Rhes Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.02 23:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team. Being blue to the NC doesn't make you part of the NC. Hey Bismaru, isn't it against the EULA to avoid forum bans by using alts?
Two Shots Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.02 23:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Rhes Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team. Being blue to the NC doesn't make you part of the NC. Hey Bismaru, isn't it against the EULA to avoid forum bans by using alts? Hello space Jesus. Two Shots Goonwaffe
Disgruntled Flying Monkey Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.03.03 00:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Rhes Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team. Being blue to the NC doesn't make you part of the NC. Hey Bismaru, isn't it against the EULA to avoid forum bans by using alts? This thread IS and has always been about NC want to control all CSM seats because they dont like the idea that CCP might remove jump bridges and will encourage PvP, please stay on topic.
Karadion	Posted - 2011.03.03 00:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey My machinations are timeless, your stupidity will only add to my intelligence If that logic was true, you'd be a genius (maybe a bigger genius than Kanye West!) since you think of Goonies and Northern Coalition as a bunch of idiots. But good thing it's not true and you like to play up fantasies in your head. Please keep writing more terrible conspiracy theories for me and other people to read here or there. Everyone knows how terrible you are anyways.
Orkasm Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.06 05:32:00 - [79] This is singularly the most ****ed thread I have had the misfortune to read. And people say Mittens spurges, hes got nothing on Disgruntled Flying Monkey. Stop spewing *****s.
Ms PacMan Caldari Eye of God Deadly Insidious Experts	Posted - 2011.03.06 05:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Kim Jong Lau ... high ranking dictators of a certain coalition have made it their ambition now to control all seats in the CSM. Now normally I would post this in CAOD, but considering how CSM elections affect everyone and the plan is to "punish non sov holding alliance, including lowsec pirates and empire" I figured I would post it here. Thats why everyone not in these dictator coalitions should vote for the Anti-Kartel CSM Ms PacMan ! If Ms PacMan would get 10.000 votes she will be able to appeal to CCP based on her total votes when it's needed.

Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.06 06:19:00 - [81] Edited by: Feligast on 06/03/2011 06:20:57 Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey Originally by: Rhes Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey next you will say NC dont have the most members as DC are not on the same team. Being blue to the NC doesn't make you part of the NC. Hey Bismaru, isn't it against the EULA to avoid forum bans by using alts? This thread IS and has always been about NC want to control all CSM seats because they dont like the idea that CCP might remove jump bridges and will encourage PvP, please stay on topic. No, this thread is about your continued violation of the EULA. Why do you refuse deny the accusations that you are circumventing a forum ban using alts?
Not Kalle Demos Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.03.11 16:23:00 - [82] I really should have kept this thread going, so nice to see the loyal minions put so much effort in brown nosing their masters, with clichT memes :Orkasm:. I think I got the message across, but once a sheep always a sheep Oh and to all the fanatics that stopped posting, it wouldnÆt by any chance have todo with everything I said being true would it "A vote for Mittani is a vote for changing the UI" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Rakamy	Posted - 2011.03.12 08:08:00 - [83] If the NC control the CSM then the majority of this game (eve) may as well just quit now....CCP already devotes enough resources to 0.0 time to focus on empire space for a change.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.03.15 21:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Rakamy If the NC control the CSM then the majority of this game (eve) may as well just quit now....CCP already devotes enough resources to 0.0 time to focus on empire space for a change. Well NC can only do so much NAPing, they begged DRF for a NAP but sadly that resulted in DRF invading them and killing 50% of all NC supercaps in a week. NC wont live forever, good news is the other sandbox that CCP are creating make it harder to NAP everything . Im not Bismaru, im better!
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.15 21:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Kalle Demos Well NC can only do so much NAPing, they begged DRF for a NAP but sadly that resulted in DRF invading them and killing 50% of all NC supercaps in a week. And obvious, blatantly unhinged lying like this is why Kalle's trolling is quite as awful as it is. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.03.15 22:15:00 - [86] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Kalle Demos Well NC can only do so much NAPing, they begged DRF for a NAP but sadly that resulted in DRF invading them and killing 50% of all NC supercaps in a week. And obvious, blatantly unhinged lying like this is why Kalle's trolling is quite as awful as it is. Once again spam bot FinnAgain Zero has called someone a troll despite there being proof, reports and threads confirming what I have said. You know you should maybe check your KB once in a while, I know NC typically remove losses but even you cant be stupid enough todo damage control by saying "it never happened".
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.15 22:25:00 - [87] Originally by: Kalle Demos FinnAgain Zero has called someone a troll despite there being proof, reports and threads confirming what I have said. You are awful at trolling. You are also, very obviously, lying in order to troll. You are really claiming, with a straight face, that the entire NC possessed no more than 20 titans and 8 supercarriers. In the entire NC. I'm not sure who you think you're going to be able to troll with this nonsense, but, dayum. It's also be nice to see your cite for the NC trying to "NAP" the DRF but then them invading, considering that prior to the DRF invasion the NC invaded them. I think it's safe to say that it's as true as your claim that half the NC supercapital fleet was annihilated. Or your lie about supercap losses being removed. Tell you what, I know you're lying and trolling, and you know you're lying and trolling, but let's pretend we don't know that: "Gee, Kalle, you see like a trustworthy person. Why don't you provide the names of five pilots, the date of their supecap losses and who they lost them to so that I can check EVEKill and/or enemy killboards against NC boards to verify that what you're saying is true."
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.03.15 23:55:00 - [88] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Kalle Demos FinnAgain Zero has called someone a troll despite there being proof, reports and threads confirming what I have said. You are awful at trolling. You are also, very obviously, lying in order to troll. You are really claiming, with a straight face, that the entire NC possessed no more than 20 titans and 8 supercarriers. In the entire NC. I'm not sure who you think you're going to be able to troll with this nonsense, but, dayum. It's also be nice to see your cite for the NC trying to "NAP" the DRF but then them invading, considering that prior to the DRF invasion the NC invaded them. I think it's safe to say that it's as true as your claim that half the NC supercapital fleet was annihilated. Or your lie about supercap losses being removed. Tell you what, I know you're lying and trolling, and you know you're lying and trolling, but let's pretend we don't know that: "Gee, Kalle, you see like a trustworthy person. Why don't you provide the names of five pilots, the date of their supecap losses and who they lost them to so that I can check EVEKill and/or enemy killboards against NC boards to verify that what you're saying is true." Razor just NAPed AAA/Stain/Atlas One Lau to control them all, why argue with me on the forums when theres enough evidence to confirm everything I have written. Like a dog your aim is to bark at anyone your master feels threatened by, shame you are hardly liked within your own coalition . Im not Bismaru, im better!
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.16 00:18:00 - [89] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero You are awful at trolling. You are also, very obviously, lying in order to troll. You are really claiming, with a straight face, that the entire NC possessed no more than 20 titans and 8 supercarriers. In the entire NC. I'm not sure who you think you're going to be able to troll with this nonsense, but, dayum. It's also be nice to see your cite for the NC trying to "NAP" the DRF but then them invading, considering that prior to the DRF invasion the NC invaded them. I think it's safe to say that it's as true as your claim that half the NC supercapital fleet was annihilated. Or your lie about supercap losses being removed. Tell you what, I know you're lying and trolling, and you know you're lying and trolling, but let's pretend we don't know that: "Gee, Kalle, you see like a trustworthy person. Why don't you provide the names of five pilots, the date of their supecap losses and who they lost them to so that I can check EVEKill and/or enemy killboards against NC boards to verify that what you're saying is true." What a surprise, not one single name of a single super pilot who had their loss removed, because you were lying in order to troll. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Razor just NAPed AAA/Stain/Atlas Another lie. AAA, not blue. AtlasDOT, not blue. Not even going to bother checking all the alliances in Stainwagon. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero theres enough evidence to confirm everything I have written. Funny, then, that you can't cite any of it, at all. I wonder... maybe it's because you're making it up? ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.03.16 00:35:00 - [90] Finn, maybe you should log in game . Im not Bismaru, im better!

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.16 01:37:00 - [91] More trolling. And go figure, not one single cite. You can start with five NC supercap pilots who had their losses deleted, as you lied. Of course you won't cite that, since you were trolling. Your troll-line at this point is "It's not the provable fact that I was lying in order to troll, it's the mere fact that I'm disagreeing that has you unfairly label me as a troll!" And as I've already checked (you are ****ing awful at trolling) I can confirm that you were lying and both AtlasDOT and AAA are not blue. This is because you're trolling. Why you are given to lying so obviously in order to troll is beyond me. A better troll would be something like "RZR doesn't have a NAP with AAA and stainwagon, but they have a secret NIP and will leave their space alone in perpetuity." At least that's a lie that's hard to disprove. But any Razor pilot can log in, check our standings, and see that you're lying. Why you're lying is anybody's guess, from thinking that the NC has no more than 20 titans and 8 motherships to the rest... it's really not rational. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Kumi Katana Caldari Order of the Orange Lion	Posted - 2011.03.16 02:21:00 - [92] a lot will try yeah, and I fear a lot trow in bots to do mass votes for those that are on their side. Which makes this all unfortuantely a race we can not win, cheating is not allowed but neither enforced
Fuujin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.16 02:57:00 - [93] Originally by: Kumi Katana a lot will try yeah, and I fear a lot trow in bots to do mass votes for those that are on their side. Which makes this all unfortuantely a race we can not win, cheating is not allowed but neither enforced Bots? You know there's only one vote allowed per subbed/non-trial account, right? So you can't autovote or rig anything. You want to be on the CSM to help guide gameplay changes, but you don't even know how the voting process works. That's...scary.
Time Funnel	Posted - 2011.03.16 03:15:00 - [94] Originally by: Kim Jong Lau When CCP stated they may remove jump bridges from 0.0 to encourage PvP and activity, you would expect people to be happy, but you cant please everyone. You can please ignore everyone. Originally by: Kim Jong Lau With simple changes such as jump bridge removal or supercap changes, high ranking dictators of a certain coalition have made it their ambition now to control all seats in the CSM. I think this is just a case of having excellent candidates and nothing to do with your seizing of power in North Korea Mr. Jong Lau.
Kumi Katana Caldari Order of the Orange Lion	Posted - 2011.03.16 03:52:00 - [95] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Kumi Katana a lot will try yeah, and I fear a lot trow in bots to do mass votes for those that are on their side. Which makes this all unfortuantely a race we can not win, cheating is not allowed but neither enforced Bots? You know there's only one vote allowed per subbed/non-trial account, right? So you can't autovote or rig anything. You want to be on the CSM to help guide gameplay changes, but you don't even know how the voting process works. That's...scary. You clearly don't know much about hacking, cracking or however they wanna call it these days. Enough people are smart enough to do bad things, but good things... well no... They clearly never heared of it
Fuujin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.16 04:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Kumi Katana You clearly don't know much about hacking, cracking or however they wanna call it these days. Enough people are smart enough to do bad things, but good things... well no... They clearly never heared of it Thanks for presuming a lack of dastardly knowledge on my part. Ah, so your master theory is not some sort of automated vote scheme, but a hijacking hacker thing. Allow me to take that a step further: if someone gained your account information, they could not only cause you to vote the way they wanted (if you haven't already voted, anyway) but could drain every one of your characters dry of assets, maybe do some RMT, and biomass the characters afterwards. But lets assume the nefarious hackers behind this aren't too ambitious and just want the free trip to iceland to smell the sulpher and get locked in a room with other MMO nerds all day. It seems likely that, at some point, this hijacking will be discovered--be it through log audits, unusual IP access to accounts (if you live in germany and a single US IP accesses your account once, that's kind of a red flag. FYI), or some other irregularity--if you're going to do this, you're not going to do this for just a few dozen votes but a few hundred. And then the beneficiary of the hacked votes will willingly go to iceland to spend a day locked in a room with CCP Sreegs, who will probably have some choice words to relate about account security. Which may not go smoothly, since I can vouch that the man is a rage-fueled beast prone to terrible outbursts. You should hear what he does to cats. OR, you're trying to gin up some "1337 hacker" bogeyman in a paranoid delusion to justify your rabid martyr complex. Or maybe I know more about tech stuff than I let on. Click here to have your account hijacked to vote for goons! C'mon, You want to click it.


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