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Solin Rossi
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:25:00 -
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Right then! ..Let's put it this way ATUK has continuously opened fire on FIX Pilots and then repeatedly saying "Oops sorry was a mistake!" this always happens! So sorry ATUK guys "WE DON'T TRUST YOU!!!!" You have no credibility here in FIX. If any ATUK open fire on me then be rest assured i will return fire and take them down with extreme predjudice!! Solin Rossi... (Director "The Council Corp")
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:27:00 -
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Well it boils down to making enemies over 2 pilots.
Those 2 pilots have enough chances to avoid the conflict, by staying in querious itself, by returning to fountain, by leaving their corp or last but not leastby telling you to not act.
Apparently your friends were not wise enough to make these decisions beforehand and brought you into this trouble. Historical BA actions have nothing to do with it, if you want to put your weight behind it, not asking your ba friends for a decision, then your call is made.
You stated a few times it was supposed to be "obvious" how you would react, for our pilots the decision was engage an enemy or let him hide. If 1) then risk getting shot by neutrals or not.
You may see how serious our pilots take our wars by putting that risk in neutral 0.0 space on the line to fullfill their goal (to destroy enemies).
In my personal view you showed alot of shortsight on the whole situation because i frankly cant believe it never appeared in your mind that habouring pilots of your very unloved neighbour might bring you trouble. On the otherhand you can play up their "value" as much as you want but i cant stress often enough that clearly your defence wont stand or fall with taking off 2 pilots from the rooster.
So as a conclusion, you have the responsibility for your pilots if your shortcommings lead to war then noone is to blame but yourself.
P.S. i also see compareable incidents to the FU / NSA conflict....
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Xantor Hmm... afaik ATUK shot three or four haulers in the pipe even before the BA incident happened. ATUKs answer was "sry was a mistake" all the times but also said that they do what they want as far as i remember.
So... what¦s your point?
You guys started aggressing us and still were allowed to travel down here till you attacked BA (who was in gang with FIX members what should have been clear for you).
I speak only for my person... so let the diplomats sort it out.
The original post was made by fix, they will receive an official reply or already did. So i suppose cya ingame :)
Sorry for the insults Kcel, as you can imagine I grow quite weary of dealing with those who, quite frankly, prefer to shoot first. You seem to be much more diplomatic than the other dealings I have had, and read, with ATUK. My apologies, I will attempt to address you with respect and honor in the future unless provoked to do otherwise.
So let's start where it starts and see if we can get somewhere instead of insults...
1. ATUK kills FIX hauler. 2. FIX says "wtf ATUK?" 3. ATUK says "um sry mistake" 4. FIX says "don't let it happen again, please." 5. GO TO #1 4 times before continuing. 6. FIX continuously has to control A2 in order to keep Shinra, ATUK and others from preying on FIX haulers. 7. During one of the said attempts to control A2 (which included a single BA pilot who is a LONG time friend and comrade) ATUK attacked the single BA pilot in the FIX gang. 8. The FIX gang destroyed the ATUK pilots as a response to the attack on their gang. 9. ATUK said "wtf" 10. FIX said "get orf meh land!" 11. FIX added ATUK to KOS (-10 standings) 12. Small conflicts occur. 13. FIX contacts ATUK diplomat. 14. ATUK diplomat informs FIX to move aside or suffer the wrath of an ATUK empire war as well as SE and BOB (the alliance, not the corp) adding us to their KOS list. 15. FIX attempts to get in touch with another ATUK diplomat but is directed to the same one.
The rest involves FIX getting in touch with SE who in turn gets the _same_ ATUK person involved with the _same_ result. So perhaps there is a personality conflict between the ATUK rep we've been talking to and the folks FIX is sending? Maybe we could resolve this if the right people were to talk? Maybe get someone like yourself, who is well spoken or perhaps even Scriptor to talk to Avernus and Nez Perces. Maybe that'd work? ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Insane Angel on 28/01/2005 01:32:26
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Insane Angel Dont worry s3vyn, amthriANUS is the best pod pilot in ATUK.
hello insane angel, once again a very well thought through and structured reply.
May i remind you of the other thread still requiring your valueable insights. You were going to tell us about that 1o1 chances of a normal taranis against an interceptorhunting setup harpy. Pls reply there to not derail this thread further as im very eager to hear more tales from you.
My harpy lost to another Harpy(Dank) who is a younger created character then me. Thats one example. I got bored with the thread tbh. Nubs that cant play and leave something without any commitment dont bother me too much.
Its more fun to **** em off.
OH hopefully I made it painfully clear I am talking about you.
"Im not the only oooooooonnnnnnneee that walks between the rain there are many"
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Xantor
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 28/01/2005 01:23:53
Originally by: S3VYN
You are probably right, I would imagine scriptor to be a much better person to deal with. However, we have been limited to dealing with someone named "StiZum Hilidii" who referred to himself as "political dude."
ATUK is a roaming band of gypsies who chose to shoot FIX, no more, no less. You guys aren't half as "bad" as you think you are and when FIX didn't wince at your threat of war you ran to SE and cried.
That's what happened. Truth. If you were so bad why do you need our permission to get past in the first place?
Wow, this from a political leader of FIX that never fights. Very nice. Come out and say that to our face, you forum warrior. Pathetic.
Now to the subject at hand.
LetÆs start off with WE SHOOT OUR ENEMIES EVERYWHERE!. When our enemies are in your gangs, we will shoot them. If you donÆt want us shooting them, donÆt have them in your gangs. Apart from that, we donÆt care about you in Querious and your stations for now, but that might change soon if things donÆt get worked out. Is that want you want?
You ask us not to shoot FA in your space. When you block our entry way to our enemies space with our enemies in your gangs, what do you think will happen? We shoot our enemies. If you donÆt fire on us, chances are we wonÆt either. However, you did, so now we are shooting you. Simple. Why does the 1-2 BA guys quit BA and fly with you as neutrals or join a FIX corp.? They live there, so why be FA? It would solve all your problems.
From reading all this crap, I see a lot of CFS in FIX. I guess you guys didnÆt learn that whining on the forums donÆt win you any friends.. Keep it up. The day is coming closer and closer. All your political mambo jumbo isnÆt going to help you in space.
This is my opinion, but itÆs viewed by all ATUK, IÆm sure. IÆm the nice guy in this corp. hehe. Now, letÆs dance. Slam dance, that is.
P.S. I rather be shooting FIX then my friends in FA anyways, but like Kcel said. We fallow orders. We fallow orders or people die.
And again:
You killed several indys of us BEFORE!!!
Open your eyes mate, you started getting yourself to KOS. Meet you in battle.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:44:00 -
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SºVYN, thanks for your reply.
I would like to know more about the incidents you described. After checking our killboard briefly (rather tired atm so excuse my lack of concentration) i couldnt find them directly (admittingly prolly due to my own fault). Accidents can occure and i dont speak our pilots free from it, however script deals quickly with pilots who are involved in those more often.
Regarding your request for another diplomatic contact, i can only tell you to try to get in touch with script directly if you feel that stiz may have personal issues with you. I cant help you further as im only a good ole grunt and happy with that ;)
Tho knowing Trigger i can say he is a very carefull and good man who deffinately is a very respectfull and understanding person.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim SºVYN, thanks for your reply.
I would like to know more about the incidents you described. After checking our killboard briefly (rather tired atm so excuse my lack of concentration) i couldnt find them directly (admittingly prolly due to my own fault). Accidents can occure and i dont speak our pilots free from it, however script deals quickly with pilots who are involved in those more often.
Regarding your request for another diplomatic contact, i can only tell you to try to get in touch with script directly if you feel that stiz may have personal issues with you. I cant help you further as im only a good ole grunt and happy with that ;)
Tho knowing Trigger i can say he is a very carefull and good man who deffinately is a very respectfull and understanding person.
Yeah, my dealings with Trigger have always been really good. Same with Andromedus, same with...
I'm generally well-liked by people I deal with one on one... the forum folks seem to hold me in much lower regard...
Either way, I wasn't involved in the hauler deaths and all I have are private forum complaints dating back to the first one. I'll see if I can round up some killmails or something. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 28/01/2005 01:48:47
Originally by: Insane Angel My harpy lost to another Harpy(Dank) who is a younger created character then me. Thats one example. I got bored with the thread tbh. Nubs that cant play and leave something without any commitment dont bother me too much.
to another assault frig of a younger character (prolly more specialized or with equal skills) yet you didnt tell us your "taranis setup ftw"...
Quote:
OH hopefully I made it painfully clear I am talking about you.
You are neither original nor good at insulting ppl. Only the knowledge youre just a courtjester in the FA allows me to discard your permanent low blow attempts and prevent me from reporting it. You cant be mad with the slow kids....
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EleKtra Ventura
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:50:00 -
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ATUK are becoming the new Evol on the forums
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.01.28 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 28/01/2005 01:48:47
Originally by: Insane Angel My harpy lost to another Harpy(Dank) who is a younger created character then me. Thats one example. I got bored with the thread tbh. Nubs that cant play and leave something without any commitment dont bother me too much.
to another assault frig of a younger character (prolly more specialized or with equal skills) yet you didnt tell us your "taranis setup ftw"...
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OH hopefully I made it painfully clear I am talking about you.
You are neither original nor good at insulting ppl. Only the knowledge youre just a courtjester in the FA allows me to discard your permanent low blow attempts and prevent me from reporting it. You cant be mad with the slow kids....
I dont fly tarani. They suck.
LOL Court jester. That was good and original.
Not a low blow when you call em how you see em. If you need a hug I can give you one?
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Uinein
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Posted - 2005.01.28 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Uinein on 28/01/2005 02:29:57
Originally by: S3VYN
Originally by: Kcel Chim Im sure noobscriptor will if you convo him with this official request find an appropriate official atuk-answer. However i find it rather amusing how you attempt to dictate us how we have to handle our war and who of the "good hostiles" we need to exclude to please you.
You are probably right, 1) I would imagine scriptor to be a much better person to deal with. However, we have been limited to dealing with someone named 2) "StiZum Hilidii" who referred to himself as "political dude."
ATUK is a roaming band of gypsies who chose to shoot FIX, no more, no less. You guys aren't half as "bad" as you think you are and when FIX didn't wince at your threat of war you ran to SE and cried.
That's what happened. Truth. If you were so bad why do you need our permission to get past in the first place?
1) lol 2) it's "political h04r"
BTW Insane you are a tard
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Phyre
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Posted - 2005.01.28 03:14:00 -
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Wow, potential good things happening in this thread :D :D :D
/cheer Atuk o/ /l LL
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.01.28 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 28/01/2005 04:45:57 LOL we encountered 2 of their "tough Talking" pilots in space last night.
They almost demanded to know in local if we knew where any Shinra or RUS were as they were out hunting them. (In their uber Rupture and Rifter)
I was laughing so hard on Tspeak I was crying. After some tough semi-tough talk in local and us massing at the only jump out gate with a Attack force they finally chilled and were friendly.
But the semi tough talk really got to us lol. Sorta reminded me of the "Were in the neighborhood now" talk you heard from some of the old bullies when I was a kid.
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.01.28 05:04:00 -
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/emote peeks in looks around..
eek its a politics thread....and FIX is directly involved
/emote closes door quickly
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Droewa
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Posted - 2005.01.28 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius Edited by: Amthrianius on 28/01/2005 00:44:54
Originally by: Mrissa Easeah
If you're saying you've already declared war on FIX, with no chance of diplomacy, then all this on my part is a waste of time. I honestly hope its not.
We? Unfortunatly it was the original poster of this thread that stated and i quote, with spelling mistakes included "see you on the battle feid"
oh great show them my type-o's dose that make you feel cool are you a better man than me now.get off your high horse. and that see you on the battl fild was meant twards ATUK i thought the chat with trigger whent well. but maybe i wasn't getting the point across because of my spelling. sorry about that...
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.28 10:57:00 -
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I'd be careful here FIXikins :)
Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
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Spyglass
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Posted - 2005.01.28 11:39:00 -
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Heavyg left BA for The Council, does that mean that all this is over one pilot?
I'm not alt, I just wanting to understand more of these politics.
Thank you.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2005.01.28 12:01:00 -
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What about pilots who have not agressed against FIX pilots, who are not within FIX space but at the other side of the map and whose only involvment with ATUK is being allowed to operate within their space?
Make a difference
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LoxyRider
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Posted - 2005.01.28 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim However, we have been limited to dealing with someone named "StiZum Hilidii" who referred to himself as "political dude."
----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.28 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 28/01/2005 12:45:48 Ok their is no where near enough arrogance in this thread.
S3VYN whoever you are I suggest you hush. Your forces were getting ended and will continue to do so whilst you protect FA members. I beleive some discussions were entered into from our Directors and your diplomats but if you keep running yuor mouth off on here you will continue to get smacked around
I dont care what SE choose to do as we are allies and friends but dont require each otehr to do anything unless we both feel its beneficial. If you beleive a focused ATUK attack on FIX region would not lead to your utter annihilation you are fiecely deluded. I suggest you let your diplomats address the situation as you on fragile ground
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.01.28 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 28/01/2005 14:55:35
Originally by: Kcel Chim i cant stress often enough that clearly your defence wont stand or fall with taking off 2 pilots from the rooster.
I am baaaad for typos and spelling i will admit, but the thought of me on a rooster made me laugh.
/me starts pulling feathers out of his butt
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noitulos
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Posted - 2005.01.28 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Kcel Chim
a)the pipe is not claimed by fix (shooting FA members there wouldnt be YOUR space) eventho you guard it. b)"oh noes SE shot us when we started shooting shinra in stain" <-- see any coincidence here with your BA incident (if you shoot fa in neutral space and some fixers come gang or not u will put them up for a fight)
Just keep rambeling more, you are doing a good job at digging your own grave (and thats not a threat just an observation)
a) If you look at FIX killboards, the pipe is where 90% of FIX combat actions occur. Claiming the pipe for FIX would simply amount to a technicality. We don't live there, hence we don't claim it officially.
b) FIX and Shinra both have NAPs with SE: In short, it was a surprise to us when that incident occured and the SE pilot attacked the FIX pilot. Understandable however. BA is +10 standings with FIX and the pilot was in a FIX gang, ATUK was listed as neutral at the time. The result should be apparant.
It's a pretty simple situation in my view. We don't urinate in your backyard, and we ask the same in return. No more, no less. It's a matter of respect.
Idont know much about all the politics mumbojumbo, but what I do know is that 90% of killboards out there are innacurate.
I've check the FIX board myself and it is missing a number of their deaths I can personally account for and probably many others.
I realize this discussion was not about the deaths on the board, but more about the political blablabla so I will move on. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu |
Loka
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Posted - 2005.01.28 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 28/01/2005 15:05:38 the www.eve-kills.com is very good, because every kill another is posting, it will be a loss count for you.
I think such a global tool is most accurate killboardsystem. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Loka Edited by: Loka on 28/01/2005 15:05:38 the www.eve-kills.com is very good, because every kill another is posting, it will be a loss count for you.
I think such a global tool is most accurate killboardsystem.
Apart from the site design is awful and its incredibly slow ---------------
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 28/01/2005 17:53:47 not really, most people use that board now, and people mostly always post their kills because they r kills and not losses...so even if u dont post ur death..it will still be on there :)
the site isnt that slow (wasnt when i last had a look at any rate)
design is pretty good aswell tbh..simple to find things.
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Avernus
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:05:00 -
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Noit, Yeah some people are a bit slower to post their losses along side their kills. The area I got my information from on FIX killboards was the 'most violent systems'. If you check it out, you'll notice that the pipe gets the majority of the activity by a large margin.
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Xantor
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Loka Edited by: Loka on 28/01/2005 15:05:38 the www.eve-kills.com is very good, because every kill another is posting, it will be a loss count for you.
I think such a global tool is most accurate killboardsystem.
With a nice link to buy isk for cash... directly at the end of the page.
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Droewa
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 28/01/2005 12:45:48 Ok their is no where near enough arrogance in this thread.
S3VYN whoever you are I suggest you hush. Your forces were getting ended and will continue to do so whilst you protect FA members. I beleive some discussions were entered into from our Directors and your diplomats but if you keep running yuor mouth off on here you will continue to get smacked around
I dont care what SE choose to do as we are allies and friends but dont require each otehr to do anything unless we both feel its beneficial. If you beleive a focused ATUK attack on FIX region would not lead to your utter annihilation you are fiecely deluded. I suggest you let your diplomats address the situation as you on fragile ground
your a moron
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noitulos
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus Noit, Yeah some people are a bit slower to post their losses along side their kills. The area I got my information from on FIX killboards was the 'most violent systems'. If you check it out, you'll notice that the pipe gets the majority of the activity by a large margin.
understood. The fix kills/deaths I've had have probably been 80% in the A2 pipe so I can't argue there.
@ eve-kills.com. I agree totally, thats a great board. You can call guys out that have been lying about not dying. It's great that way. ______________________________________________ "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." -Sun Tsu |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 28/01/2005 19:02:42
Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 28/01/2005 12:45:48 Ok their is no where near enough arrogance in this thread.
S3VYN whoever you are I suggest you hush. Your forces were getting ended and will continue to do so whilst you protect FA members. I beleive some discussions were entered into from our Directors and your diplomats but if you keep running yuor mouth off on here you will continue to get smacked around
I dont care what SE choose to do as we are allies and friends but dont require each otehr to do anything unless we both feel its beneficial. If you beleive a focused ATUK attack on FIX region would not lead to your utter annihilation you are fiecely deluded. I suggest you let your diplomats address the situation as you on fragile ground
Thanks for the suggestion. Feel free to read my signature, tagline or in-game bio to discover that I am, in fact, one of the FIX Diplomats.
Suggesting that ATUK has the ability to cause any significant damage or discomfort to FIX is quite ludicrous. As suggesting FIX could do the same to ATUK would be. Don't attempt to claim that ATUK was "wtfpwning" anyone and I'll try to keep FIX folks from claiming the opposite. It doesn't do anything but create unnecessary bs to go through when trying to get to the root of issues and find beneficial terms.
I think the issue has been for the most part resolved. The issues that arose can be attributed to a single, solitary person in a position and carrying out actions that they were clearly not qualified to undertake. This caused a great deal of miscommunication and almost instant animosity between people who, quit frankly, should not have had said feeling towards each other. I believe those feelings for the most part have been mended and the involved parties have come away with respect, dignity, honor and no silly smack. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
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