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Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:52:00 -
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With the current technology available in the cluster, would it be possible to, say, warp a freighter full on anti-matter in containment into a sun's core and let said freighter blow up, in turn causing the sun to react rather....violently?
I've seen it as a recurring theme in a few sci-fi novels I've read (Jack McDevitt and Alastair Reynolds) and was wondering if, lore wise, this would be a possibility?.. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:15:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:sure, go SD a freighter in a system's star and see what happens
This is not an in-game function, I am aware of that. If you read what I said, I was speaking in terms of lore. If you think all my posts are shiptoasting, simply do not answer them. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:11:00 -
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So the above mentioned comments would be for the actual sun for the Sol System. NOW....what about an Eve sun? Say...the sun of Amarr Prime or some such. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:28:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Pump some iron in to that sucker. insta kill :)
^^ im not joking btw Iron is the way to go. Delivery is the problem.
Doesn't a ship tunnel a warp corridor through a planet? Couldn't it theoretically be done with a few freighters with cargo bays full of iron wall to wall? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:08:00 -
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Yeah that is a weird bit of lore...we need a Dev or a Physicist. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:48:00 -
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David Forge wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:When you state it like that, I don't see why not. However I think it isn't that easy otherwise we would surely see stars exploding on a regular basis. Considering that the formation or introduction of a single Iron molecule to the active process kills a star, but that is when it is synthesized, I think more might be needed to collapse a star artificially. I am sure someone would have tried it by now. Knowing minmatar ships, it would even be surprising it hasn't happened accidentally already. Especially since several of my ships have been prone to losing wingy bits. So something about warp technology must not allow for the exit out of warp within the sun. Either that or the quantity required I am quite certain that a single iron atom would have no effect on the processes of a star. Setting aside that any given star at stage in its life is bound to have a very large number of all types of elements either through its normal fusion process (while most of the fusion will be of the hydrogen and helium variety for a normal star for most its life over time randomness will result in the fusion of larger and more exotic elements, especially iron) or from leftovers of the previous stars that provided the mass to form the star. Our sun, for instance, is 0.16% iron. All the heavier elements that make up things like planets (metals, gases, and even up to uranium and plutonium) are the product from past stellar fusion processes. Large and/or hot stars can continue fusion all the way up to silicon and at that point iron will make up a surprising amount of the star's mass. There's no element/molecule that we know of that could be introduced in small amounts to a star to disrupt its process in any appreciable way. Unless we want to talk about exotic forms of matter, like strangelets or something, the only way destroying a star through the introduction of outside material will necessitate just a very, very large amount something (just about anything would probably do). We're talking about a lot though. I have no idea how much or how to calculate how much iron it would take to disrupt the sun's fusion process but if it were even only 1% of the sun's mass you're talking about a lot of iron. Again, I did some math (probably badly) and what I calculated was that a block of iron equal to 1% of our sun's mass would weigh 22 trillion trillion short tons and would be 18.5 billion trillion cubed miles in volume. That's a cube of iron 26.45 million miles on each side. If anybody plans on trying this do tell so that I can invest in mining lasers now. EDIT: I think the reason that the hypothetical block of iron is so much larger than the sun itself is because I did not (and could not even try) to account for how the block would collapse under its own gravity and reach a much higher density (and thus much smaller volume) than normal cast iron. The actual ball (you couldn't keep it in cube form) would likely be much smaller but the above still illustrates, I hope, the gargantuan amount of material we're talking about.
But we're talking about the eve universe, not our universe. Do we have that capability? Hell do we have to use iron? Couldn't be some other material like a crap ton of anti matter? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:53:00 -
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David Forge wrote:David Forge wrote:Note: I am neither a physicist nor a mathematician.
I threw together some rough numbers just for fun, taking into account the above disclaimer it's very possible I made a mistake or two. Anyone with any real knowledge on this sort thing feel free to correct and shame me.
Assume:
1 Charon with 785,000 m3 of cargo space filled with antimatter.
Now, antimatter could come in all types of densities depending on what you make it out of, this is practically back of the napkin so I just assumed one cubic meter would contain one ton of antimatter.
I used a calculator to do the antimatter reaction energy output as I do not trust myself to do it but at 785,000 tons of antimatter I got an explosive output of 30,646,400,000 megatons. Converting into joules (again, with a calculator made by someone smarter than I) I got 1.2822454 x 10^26 joules. Wikipedia says that the energy output of the sun (a smallish star) per second is 3.8 x 10^26. So we're looking at an explosion that (let's say happened in a single second which is unlikely but simplifies the problem) would increase the energy output of a star of the same size and type as ours by almost exactly 1/3 for one second. This effect diminishes quickly if the time for the explosion to occur increases. A ten second explosion would (I'm guessing) result in ten seconds where the energy output of the star was increased by only a little over 3%.
So, after this cursory examination, I would advise the OP to find a very small star or a very large number of freighters. Alternatively, figure out Sansha wormhole technology and open one directly into or through a star. That's bound to cause problems.
Right...ok how about some other sci fi magical item? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 19:10:00 -
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David Forge wrote:You could use the Hand of Omega to turn a target star into a new Eye of Harmony. No more star plus you can power a TARDIS.
Brilliant. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:08:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:@davis you're right normally the start off iron production ours the start of the end. When the weight becomes to great it can collapse. However the iron ours only produced at the end when other reactions are no longer ppossible.. Introduction of iron won't change this. Guess we will have to use the arse of jamyl sarum, bet it's big enough.
She does NOT have "dat ass" in any way....at least I don't think she does. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:50:00 -
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Phugoid wrote:Didnt Tolian Soran from ST Generations (the movie) do something similar? Heck, mayby even Guinan (Whoopie Goldberg) knows! :)
Soran didn't really blow up a sun, he sort of made it send out a pulse? Still, it's just as destructive...how did he do it again? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:11:00 -
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Phugoid wrote:Anslo wrote:Phugoid wrote:Didnt Tolian Soran from ST Generations (the movie) do something similar? Heck, mayby even Guinan (Whoopie Goldberg) knows! :) Soran didn't really blow up a sun, he sort of made it send out a pulse? Still, it's just as destructive...how did he do it again? Hmmm, if I remember correctly, Soran launched a missle towards the sun (of the planet he was on) which caused the sun to explode, which changed the course of the NEXUS string, which swallowed up Soran and sent him to blissfull heaven, but the unfortunate affect of that was the total destruction of an inhabited planet and the survivors of the crash landed Enterprise..... of course, it was all fixed by going back in time :)
Did the movie even mention the material he used? I can't believe a missile could get through the sun's corona, let alone to it's core, to allow it to blow up. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:57:00 -
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Marcion Cravik wrote:Anslo wrote:Did the movie even mention the material he used? I can't believe a missile could get through the sun's corona, let alone to it's core, to allow it to blow up. There you go.
Thank ya kindly sir! |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.24 12:43:00 -
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Damn.....Thank you 
But from what I gathered...you'd need a wormhole.
What if you, say, built a star gate under a planet and, by some miracle, got one to a star's center. Could that work?
If not, oh well. Have to wait til Sansha gives us WH Generators T_T |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.29 15:37:00 -
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What about causing a sun flare to shoot at a specific target planet? I just can't believe that New Eden, as advanced as it is, isn't capable of stellar engineering. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:14:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Anslo wrote:What about causing a sun flare to shoot at a specific target planet? I just can't believe that New Eden, as advanced as it is, isn't capable of stellar engineering. I know! Like how you are not able make one single intelligent post despite we are living in a age, surrounded by science and encouraged to think.
If you don't like it, don't post in here. If anything, your response simply echoes your own sentiment in that your post is not intelligent at all, while mine actually stimulates conversation about the game. Deal with it :) |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:49:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Seriously though. GTFO to whatever you played before you scrub.
Says the "bad ass" who's been in a strong pvp corp almost two months and has zero kills on record? 
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Anslo
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Posted - 2012.09.12 13:25:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:So, maybe this is being looked at the wrong way.
What if you took a large massed ship, like a battleship, in warp, warped towards the sun, and then turned off the warp bubble generator while the ship was still going at 3 AU per second, dumping the ship back into normal space at hypervelocity. Would that create a black hole, convert into ultra hard radiation, turn the mass of the ship and anything in front of that mass into a relativistic smear?
More ideas for the love of gods! Who needs titans when you have sun slayers :3 |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:40:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Alright, more ideas:
Eve clearly has large scale antigravity technology, what if you strapped a giant antigravity generator to a ship, flew it into the sun, and turned it on, thus locally negating the effect of gravity on the stellar body? At the very least all the energy and matter contained within that nullified area would explode outwards, if the ship could survive getting far enough into the star, it could completely destabilize it. You could use a warp drive to get this into the centre of the star.
Could also use a ship with a warp drive that creates a very large warp field bubble to fly into the centre of the sun, and then warp off again, taking the core of the sun with them when they reactivate the warp bubble. Whole center mass of the sun collapses on that empty point, destroying the star.
Could also use the warp drive to deliver a large mass of a superheavy element, like plutonium, into the core of the star, destabilizing the fusion reaction (this might take a while)
Could also arrange antigravity field generators around an area above the surface of the star to create a giant stellar flamethrower aimed at whatever you wanted gone.
Could also use stargates with warp drives to systematically deconstruct a star for stellar engineering, by peeling away at it layer by layer.
This is just off the top of my head.
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