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Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.10 09:43:00 - [1] Don't think i'm first who looks to this point. I see T2 ships with bonuses like: Enyo: Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range 7.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed Every time i look to this requirenments i wonder: why it has gallente frigate bonus per skill level when ship needs this skill at level 5 already? Why don't simply change description to: ship bonus - 25% to Small Hybrid Turret Damage. Or these 5% for each level have some kind of stacking rules? Almost every T2/carrier ship has bonuses described the same way. Nothing wrong but makes strange questions
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.10 10:43:00 - [2] Because it is possible to be podded with an out of date clone and lose part of a level in one of those skills if it is your highest SP skill.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.10 11:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Breaker77 Because it is possible to be podded with an out of date clone and lose part of a level in one of those skills if it is your highest SP skill. At which stage you cant use the ship as racial frigate 5 is needed.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.10 11:07:00 - [4] Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 10/02/2011 11:07:15 if it doesn't cost extra resource, it's just doing things right. potentially, it's a contingency if skill requirements decrease. note that jump freighters (T2) do not require L5 in faction Freighter skill. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Vorekk Gallente LowBall Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.02.11 01:45:00 - [5] Because some ships, such as the Absolution (Amarr Command Ship) have a battlecruiser bonus. In this case, its 5% bonus to armor resistance per level. If you get podded, and go from Battlecruiser 5 to Battlecruiser 4, you will lose 5% armor resistance but you can still fly the ship, since it only requires Amarr Cruiser 5, Command Ships 1, and Heavy Assault Ships 4. The ship itself does not require the battlecruiser skill at all. --- Join Lowball Heavy Industries. Small, focused fleets - lots of high intensity action, the EVE way.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.11 01:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Breaker77 Because it is possible to be podded with an out of date clone and lose part of a level in one of those skills if it is your highest SP skill. At which stage you cant use the ship as racial frigate 5 is needed. If you are already in the ship you can. Just like people can fit T2 rigs and people without the skill to fit them can still use them.
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.11 01:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Vorekk Because some ships, such as the Absolution (Amarr Command Ship) have a battlecruiser bonus. In this case, its 5% bonus to armor resistance per level. If you get podded, and go from Battlecruiser 5 to Battlecruiser 4, you will lose 5% armor resistance but you can still fly the ship, since it only requires Amarr Cruiser 5, Command Ships 1, and Heavy Assault Ships 4. The ship itself does not require the battlecruiser skill at all. That...is an awesome find. You learn something new everyday.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.11 02:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 11/02/2011 02:05:31 Ships are likely balanced by assigning points to various attributes. There would then be a budget limiting the points spent on each attribute. A fixed 25% bonus is typically a very expensive attribute, compared to a 5%/level one even if level 5 is a prerequisite for the ship.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.02.11 02:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Breaker77 If you are already in the ship you can. Just like people can fit T2 rigs and people without the skill to fit them can still use them. I'd just like to point out that it is impossible to lose SP due to being podded and at the same time 'already' be in the ship. Being podded implies you're not in ship
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.02.12 15:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Vorekk Because some ships, such as the Absolution (Amarr Command Ship) have a battlecruiser bonus. In this case, its 5% bonus to armor resistance per level. If you get podded, and go from Battlecruiser 5 to Battlecruiser 4, you will lose 5% armor resistance but you can still fly the ship, since it only requires Amarr Cruiser 5, Command Ships 1, and Heavy Assault Ships 4. The ship itself does not require the battlecruiser skill at all. Both that link and EVEMon says you need Battlecruisers V for the Absolution. Have you been in an Absolution with just BC IV? Originally by: Breaker77 If you are already in the ship you can. Just like people can fit T2 rigs and people without the skill to fit them can still use them. If you get podded, you are placed in your medical bay station.. not piloting any ships. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.

Hya Bam Minmatar The Real OC Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.02.12 16:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: Vorekk Because some ships, such as the Absolution (Amarr Command Ship) have a battlecruiser bonus. In this case, its 5% bonus to armor resistance per level. If you get podded, and go from Battlecruiser 5 to Battlecruiser 4, you will lose 5% armor resistance but you can still fly the ship, since it only requires Amarr Cruiser 5, Command Ships 1, and Heavy Assault Ships 4. The ship itself does not require the battlecruiser skill at all. Both that link and EVEMon says you need Battlecruisers V for the Absolution. Have you been in an Absolution with just BC IV? You only need BC5 to get the Command Ships skill; it's a prerequisite for the skill, but not for the ship. If you loose a level and go down to BC4, you still keep CS. --- "All your boot.ini are belong to us." -CCP
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.02.12 19:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Breaker77 Because it is possible to be podded with an out of date clone and lose part of a level in one of those skills if it is your highest SP skill. At which stage you cant use the ship as racial frigate 5 is needed. If you are already in the ship you can. Just like people can fit T2 rigs and people without the skill to fit them can still use them. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Vorekk Gallente LowBall Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.02.12 20:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: Vorekk Because some ships, such as the Absolution (Amarr Command Ship) have a battlecruiser bonus. In this case, its 5% bonus to armor resistance per level. If you get podded, and go from Battlecruiser 5 to Battlecruiser 4, you will lose 5% armor resistance but you can still fly the ship, since it only requires Amarr Cruiser 5, Command Ships 1, and Heavy Assault Ships 4. The ship itself does not require the battlecruiser skill at all. Both that link and EVEMon says you need Battlecruisers V for the Absolution. Have you been in an Absolution with just BC IV? For your first statement, I refer you to Hya Bam's post. To answer your question, yes I have. I will be more than happy to make short youtube video of it if you'd like. --- Join Lowball Heavy Industries. Small, focused fleets - lots of high intensity action, the EVE way.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.12 21:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Breaker77 If you are already in the ship you can. Just like people can fit T2 rigs and people without the skill to fit them can still use them. I'd just like to point out that it is impossible to lose SP due to being podded and at the same time 'already' be in the ship. Being podded implies you're not in ship Large volumes of beer does strange things to people
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.12 22:08:00 - [15] on amageddon day I didn't have amarr bs 5 and could still fly amarr cap ships
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.12 22:13:00 - [16] I was wondering the same thing when I saw T2 ship descriptions for the first time, but I've gotten used to it. Ideally it makes squat difference whichever way they do it, though this seems simpler, more descriptive, and safer.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.12 22:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton on amageddon day I didn't have amarr bs 5 and could still fly amarr cap ships none of the Amarr cap ships require BS 5 to fly. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.02.13 07:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton on amageddon day I didn't have amarr bs 5 and could still fly amarr cap ships none of the Amarr cap ships require BS 5 to fly. ALL capitals require you to have racial BS V except Rorqual which requires mining barge V. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Vorekk Gallente LowBall Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.02.13 07:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Vorekk on 13/02/2011 07:43:30 Originally by: Baneken ALL capitals require you to have racial BS V except Rorqual which requires mining barge V. Not true... try reading the topic one more time sir. --- Join Lowball Heavy Industries. Small, focused fleets - lots of high intensity action, the EVE way.
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.02.13 11:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Vorekk Edited by: Vorekk on 13/02/2011 07:43:30 Originally by: Baneken ALL capitals require you to have racial BS V except Rorqual which requires mining barge V. Not true... try reading the topic one more time sir. Still doesn't change the facts that you need racial BS V to fly any CAPITAL CLASS SHIP exept rorqual. Capital ships are dreadnaughts, carriers and rorqual and super caps are Titans, and super carriers, the rest aren't CAPITAL SHIPS. Just because you need adv.ss.command to fly it doesn't make it a capital ship. Likewise skill 'capital ships' it self does nothing. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Fulbert Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.13 19:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Baneken Likewise skill 'capital ships' it self does nothing. Actually there are two definitions of capital ships : - the spaceship command one : ships which need Capital Ship and Jump Drive Operation to pilot - the industrial one : ships build from capital components. Freighters do. -------------------------------- Fulbert. Miner - Industrialist
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.13 19:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Baneken Still doesn't change the facts that you need racial BS V to fly any CAPITAL CLASS SHIP exept rorqual. Capital ships are dreadnaughts, carriers and rorqual and super caps are Titans, and super carriers, the rest aren't CAPITAL SHIPS. Incorrect. You need BS V to train the relevant capital ship skill ù you don't need it to fly the ship. All carriers have the same requirements: Capital Ship I (primary), [Racial] Carrier I (secondary) and Jump Drive Operation I (tertiary). Same for all dreadnoughts, except they require [Racial] Dreadnought I instead of [Racial] Carrier. Titans are much the same, except they require Capital Ships V on top of [Racial] Titan I. Notice how battleships aren't even on the list ù much less at lvl V. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.02.13 20:22:00 - [23] So you planned to train that amarr carrier without training amarr BS V first ? Ergo you need racial BS V to fly a a capital ship or you going claim next that you don't need to train AWU V for a marauder because the skill description doesn't AWU V ? Therefore it doesn't matter what capital it self needs in it's description when you till have to go through racial BS V to have that skill. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.13 21:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Tippia on 13/02/2011 21:04:12 Originally by: Baneken So you planned to train that amarr carrier without training amarr BS V first ? That's not the point. The point is that you can fly some ships without having certain skills that you have to train in order to get them. Quote: Ergo you need racial BS V to fly a a capital ship You only need to have trained it (if you go the normal route of skill progression). But no, you don't need to have it to fly the ship. Quote: you going claim next that you don't need to train AWU V for a marauder because the skill description doesn't AWU V ? Same thing there: you need to have trained it; you don't need to have it. Quote: Therefore it doesn't matter what capital it self needs in it's description when you till have to go through racial BS V to have that skill. Re-read the thread, and in particular the line of threads that lead us here: yes, it matters what the ship says it needs because that is all you need to fly it. How you get there and what happens afterwards is entirely irrelevant. You do know that you can lose skills, and that people have been given skills without having the prereqs, right? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Vorekk Gallente LowBall Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.02.14 01:52:00 - [25] Tippia is correct. --- Join Lowball Heavy Industries. Small, focused fleets - lots of high intensity action, the EVE way.


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