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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:34:00 -
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My sons and I have a total of 6 accounts between us. Until the release of Incursion we contentedly played and never posted a single word on the forums. Now my sons are leaving the game and I am just frustrated with the total lack of customer service and response to troubling issues. I apologize for the long post but here it is: Since Incursion patches the game locks up, does CTD, and lags out often. Petition responses include: We cannot be responsible for client hardware/software setups We do not support Windows XP We do not support dual clients We do not reimburse for ships lost due to CTD unless it is a server side error (note, one ship properly was put in free space, the other was not , The GM said they must have been processed through different servers , guess thats not server error)
My sons and I run casual high sec missions for a few hours each week in addition to production, research and planetary interaction. It is rare for us to be on for more than 2 hours at a time or more than 2 of us on at a time. We were dismayed at the loss of level 5 missions randomly occuring in high sec space (yes we now know that they were never intended for some reason, but they have been there for the entire time we have been playing) and further dismayed that the agents we have been using for almost two years are suddenly giving more than 75% of their level 4 offerings in low sec space. So basically, we log in, decline a mission, ask for another, get another low sec, do our PI and update production then log back out. In other words, we really dont get to play unless we shuttle our ships around to other agents away from our base. When I asked in a petition about this clearly changed mission assignment logic the GM response was:
Missions are assigned based on lowest population space to encourage play there. I pressed further since that generally means LOW SEC. He agreed and suggested we should try low sec for better rewards and the higher risk factor. DOH the missions offer the same reward regardless of the space it is assigned to, and DOH our PVE ships wouldnt last 10 minutes with gate campers and PVP gankers just waiting for us to show up.
If CCP no longer wants high sec missioners in the game say so and refund our prepaid subscriptions. Dont tell me about all the stuff we should try, it doesnt fit our play style and time logged in. And when we ask about getting our subs refunded, how about a customer service approach that at least tries to mitigate the concerns rather than an autoreply GOODBYE, CYA, or worse yet , the one that said continue to enjoy the game until your sub runs out. Perhaps basic reading skills would enhance the customer service response. yes, I am angry at the loss of what was a pleasant gaming experience with my sons and some of their friends. I am even angrier that the CCP response and that of other players seems to be, go away we dont want you here anyway. I would welcome a meaningful CCP response in public or private.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:36:00 -
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Risk varies proportionately with reward?
Not in his EVE it shouldn't! -- Need a break from EVE? |
Grace Wing
Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:38:00 -
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Can I have yours stuff and that of your kids?
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:39:00 -
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That's funny, I never get lowsec missions at the agent I'm using and the ones in the adjacent systems.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos Risk varies proportionately with reward?
Not in his EVE it shouldn't!
not sure how this is relevant to my post, never once mentioned risk, reward, ISK or anything like that. Only the game not working properly and a sudden push to low sec space which is not a place we choose throw away ships in. I guess YOUR EVE is the only one that matters?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:41:00 -
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3/10 -
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Captain Spurious
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: captain foivos Risk varies proportionately with reward?
Not in his EVE it shouldn't!
not sure how this is relevant to my post, never once mentioned risk, reward, ISK or anything like that. Only the game not working properly and a sudden push to low sec space which is not a place we choose throw away ships in. I guess YOUR EVE is the only one that matters?
1.5/10.
CCP's EVE is the only one that matters.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:48:00 -
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Sounds like you didn't attempt to try and get help for any crashes but just ranted in petitions like you are now.
If you had petitioned under "technical support", and been reasonable about it, someone would have gotten back to you and tried to help you with your issues. Your best course of action is to give them your dxdiag info and a dump from the logserver program in the EVE directory on your computer. Those two will actually help them troubleshoot problems.
I petitioned about my laptop not working anymore with Incursion. They got back to me within a few days, which to be expected with the volume of problems that were coming in related to changes like requiring SSE2 capable processors and other stuff. The GM that answered my petition was very helpful and directed me to some custom ATI drivers to try out for my laptop. In the end none of it worked and I can't play on my laptop anymore, but am I mad? Not really, the drivers on the laptop are from 2006 and there are no updates for them.
To me, it sounds like you went straight for the reimbursement petitions and got mad when they said no. If you had gone for technical support, you may have gotten a completely different outcome and maybe even reimbursed.
Later days, you probably won't be missed with that **** poor attitude. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.02.15 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft ... long whine about inability to adapt, change, or enjoy the game as is...
Dude, this just isn't that hard.
You say you pay to play. You say you aren't enjoying it anymore.
Seems the obvious thing to do is to quit paying/playing and find another game you enjoy more.
P.S. I couldn't shake the feeling that his may be more about losing your sons to different interests than really about changes in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I apologize, but I've personally experienced the same thing, so I continue to assert it's at least a possibility.
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Jessica Pink
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:13:00 -
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Sounds to me like you're raising your sons to be a couple of *****es, you may want to start doing some manly things with them (like pvp) before they both bring a boyfriend home. I'm just saying...
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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:16:00 -
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Are you a Mormon? This is important.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
We do not support Windows XP
first, XP is obsolete theres been two entirely new OSes since. Its not CCP's fault you arent willing to roll with the times.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:23:00 -
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I give this 2/10, very poorly done. Though I added 1 point for use of paragraphs |
Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:23:00 -
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I remember XP oh wait its gone again, is it a type of condiment mmmmm XP sauce wait where was I oh yea try hitting it that always works for me |
KaarBaak
Minmatar The Mighty 13th
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:26:00 -
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Things change.
People don't.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:35:00 -
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Try different agents? I'm doing 2's on one of my characters, and one agent keeps insisting on giving 0.1 lowsec missions, for lvl 2's!
XP should work fine enough, it's more about DX version and video card drivers for the most part. I was having CTD's but just updated all my drivers, everything, works fine now. Make sure you update everything, from BIOS on up, even game controller drivers you may not use can cause problems. And of course look for viruses, rootkits, spyware and turn off/uninstall anything that uses your video such as windowblinds or related apps. Then ctrl+alt+del and cut any processes not needed to run your system (may take google researching on each process).
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:42:00 -
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Your computer is crap. Not CCPs fault. Youre an idiot anyways if you think it is. Leave. Your tears wont be missed
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:47:00 -
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ENTITLEMENT
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx ENTITLEMENT
lol every BIT of this game is nothing but entitled ppl screaming at each other. PVPers feel theyre entitled to shoot at PVE-ers so they scream at CCP to make it so they can PVE-ers feel theyre entitles not to PVP so they scream at CCP to make THAT possible lol
Wheres that "watered-down" guy when a situation where a term really IS "watered-down" comes up?
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Captain Die
Suicide by Cop
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:19:00 -
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This isn't the game you are looking for.
/waves hand --- DIE - EVE-O's SADOMASICHIST I WHO HAVE NOTHING! |
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Lady Woman
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:25:00 -
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I got the same problems with the game crashing and what not since the patch. As for the rest of the rant, hey he pays money hes got a right to complaint about the product or service. Its really refeshing to hear people complain who actually play the game and not sit on the forums all day.
10/10
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: XXSketchxx ENTITLEMENT
lol every BIT of this game is nothing but entitled ppl screaming at each other. PVPers feel theyre entitled to shoot at PVE-ers so they scream at CCP to make it so they can PVE-ers feel theyre entitles not to PVP so they scream at CCP to make THAT possible lol
Wheres that "watered-down" guy when a situation where a term really IS "watered-down" comes up?
It's the same mechanism that entitles people the right to throw flaming-tards at one another over forum boards... yet would probably be too afraid face to face to say such things. Of course some people seem to ask for it in forums ;) and plenty of people around just waiting to give it.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sunset
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: XXSketchxx ENTITLEMENT
lol every BIT of this game is nothing but entitled ppl screaming at each other. PVPers feel theyre entitled to shoot at PVE-ers so they scream at CCP to make it so they can PVE-ers feel theyre entitles not to PVP so they scream at CCP to make THAT possible lol
Wheres that "watered-down" guy when a situation where a term really IS "watered-down" comes up?
It's the same mechanism that entitles people the right to throw flaming-tards at one another over forum boards... yet would probably be too afraid face to face to say such things. Of course some people seem to ask for it in forums ;) and plenty of people around just waiting to give it.
Hence why I hear Goonsquad guys are really nice at Fanfest lol ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------ |
SamHouston
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:59:00 -
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Some agents will try to send you to low sec real often, they always have. Get different agents. Some systems agents will all try to send you to low sec, move over a system or two to the next agents you need or start with a different corp. One thing for sure with this game, you have to adapt and that means you will move, will change play style and will learn something new. It is what does keep this otherwise way boring game interesting to the nonshooters.
Look at your internet provider as regards your problems, Eve plays just fine with XP and older pcs.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:18:00 -
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Really? 23 posts and no one's said it yet? Oh well, I guess it's up to me.
*Ahem*
Can I have your stuff?
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Alotta Baggage on 16/02/2011 02:24:57
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Really? 23 posts and no one's said it yet? Oh well, I guess it's up to me.
*Ahem*
Can I have your stuff?
You got beaten by the second poster
Originally by: Grace Wing Can I have yours stuff and that of your kids?
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon Really? 23 posts and no one's said it yet? Oh well, I guess it's up to me.
*Ahem*
Can I have your stuff?
ah well I can say I read the thread at least *shrugs* Though I admit I skipped a little of the OP, my radar was on.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:33:00 -
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I, too, wish that I could run a game with 2010 graphics and processing requirements on an OS that's been obsolete since 2005 and hasn't even been supported by its manufacturer since 2007.
While I'm at it, I DEMAND RECOMPENSE from EA-Mythic, Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning runs like **** on my Commodore 64.
And don't even get me STARTED on Crysis for circular slide rule! ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard I, too, wish that I could run a game with 2010 graphics and processing requirements on an OS that's been obsolete since 2005 and hasn't even been supported by its manufacturer since 2007.
Eh EVE isn't 2010 graphics. XP is still supported by MS, couple more years at least. They should discontinue Vista before XP.
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Your Stuff
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:04:00 -
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:15:00 -
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EvE works fine on XP.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage Edited by: Alotta Baggage on 16/02/2011 02:24:57
Originally by: Jovan Geldon Really? 23 posts and no one's said it yet? Oh well, I guess it's up to me.
*Ahem*
Can I have your stuff?
You got beaten by the second poster
Originally by: Grace Wing Can I have yours stuff and that of your kids?
The shame is considerable, I assure you.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 16/02/2011 03:25:30
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: captain foivos Risk varies proportionately with reward?
Not in his EVE it shouldn't!
not sure how this is relevant to my post, never once mentioned risk, reward, ISK or anything like that. Only the game not working properly and a sudden push to low sec space which is not a place we choose throw away ships in. I guess YOUR EVE is the only one that matters?
I don't know why people are so scared of lo sec tbh, in all the time i was a lo sec mission runner (and back then there were real pirates) i never lost a pve ship. Its one thing to not want to go to lo-sec and quite another to pretend the hundreds of people happily missioning (or doing exploration) there without losing ships every day don't exist. Even if you do eventually lose your ship, you have made more isk so are probably better off anyway.
There are thousands of agents in hi sec who don't give missions in lo sec, use those. If making 10% less isk doing so somehow affects your enjoyment of the game you probably should quit.
I dunno what your technical issues are, i run 2 accounts fine, 3 at a push on an xp machine that is 6 years old, has a faulty fan and has not been upgraded in any way. It has also been used and abused by me, a complete technophobe all its life and my net connection is awful (250meg on a good day). Eve is very easy on hardware.
CCP has never "supported" multiple clients.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:28:00 -
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Click HERE for more of OP's butthurt.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The only one stopping you from accessing the content you want is YOU. Let me know how hello kitty online works out for you. You will be sorely missed guy whom no one knows because he never interacts with anyone because he has a phobia of that second dreaded M in MMORPG. |
Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:46:00 -
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Be grateful. Now you, and your offspring, can get on with your lives. Do stuff that really matters. Amusingly censored words:
****, grape, *****. More to follow, no doubt. |
Mister Normal
Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.02.16 04:02:00 -
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To the OP,
Have you thought about joining a large Nul sec alliance? Alot of them hold space that is great for ratting and missioning too. The big difference between nul sec and low sec is that in Nul sec you have ALOT of friends around you, and you can easily dodge enemies.
In general, i find 0.0 space is more rewarding that high sec, or low sec, and even L5 missioning.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.16 04:35:00 -
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(maybe off topic) know the downside to the "i pay to play" argument? So do the ppl that dont play like you do and want to kill you.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:03:00 -
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for what its worth. my petitions regarding the desktop crashes were politely worded and with one exception got an autoreply until the tech type GM provided the imformation I listed in the post. I admitted up front in my post that I am angry because something that was fun has suddenly become a hassle. My computer and XP operating system have run EVE just fine until Incursion release, thats a software change, not a hardware change. I a not alone on this issue, there are several threads regarding it. As to the missioning, Because all of my experiences in low sec have been negative, I have no desire to go there. As to my stuff, not sure what to do since family and friends have given me all of theirs. Hate to see all that ISK and hardware go to waste.
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service. Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game. I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same. Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same.
Most of what you are doing, grinding out ships and ammo and running haulers - most of that is predominantly done by bots. So people are laughing at you because you say you are "playing the game" when you are really just doing what dozens of macros do every day.
Originally by: leavcraft Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
This is already the case, and has been since the game was created in 2003.
You should be aware that this game is supposed to make you use your brain. It's perfectly possible to find mission agents that won't send you to lowsec. Complaining about it is not the answer, and just makes you look dumb. Hence all the trolls in this thread.
As for the rest, I do sympathize with the CTD problems - I nearly lost a ship yesterday in 0.0 due to this (I crashed on a gate, then logged back in to see a dramiel waiting for me). It is indeed extremely annoying, and it is apparently cross-platform (I am on a Mac). But it's also sure to get fixed soon enough, so I don't let it bother me.
Not sure about the XP support issues, but you should just keep pushing at the GMs, without getting too mad at them. Making the GMs mad is never a good plan.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service.
What, you didn't find my reply helpful? I'm certified and seasoned tech support actually (not for CCP), the response was textbook. If that didn't help, you probably need to drop the system into a trash compactor quite honestly.
As for changes to the client, yes there were some hardware requirement changes. Though if you could log in at all, you probably have support for those changes. Not sure if there are any issues with older systems though, haven't been following it.
As for nulsec, it's not the same as lowsec. The suggestion to move to nulsec is actually a reasonable one.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service. Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game. I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same. Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
I cannot speak to any of your other problems, but perhaps I can help you with agents.
I found an awesome L4 command agent with a decent quality level in a 0.5 system that takes at least 4 jumps before you get to low sec. This means that the L4 0.5 command agent never sends me to low sec.
The agents you want to fly missions for are out there. You just need to do some searching to find them.
However, your posts make it come off as if you are unwilling to take the time to do any research to find any agents like the one I described above.
Before you fly missions, do you do any research to see which ammo and resists you should be using? Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure it'll do what you want? Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure you're getting a fair price?
I bet that you do research all the time for EvE. This change is just another thing you need to use research to overcome. If you are willing to put in the research, and a bit of standings grinding, I bet you, and your family, can be back to non-stop L4 mission running in under a week.
I wish you and your family good luck, no matter your choice.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.16 06:54:00 -
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you could try a different mission agent that isn't near low sec.
not sure about your other issues.
probably posting here won't help. ccp doesn't pay much attention unless you petition and this forum is full of juvenile trolls trying to make witty comments as they have little else to do.
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Kendar
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:28:00 -
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If you do missions together why not fly pvp fited ships and just kill those evil pvp'ers? Pvp is quite a lot of fun, you should try it
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:44:00 -
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You have to understand, there are tons of petitions trying to fool GMs into reimbursing their ships. I know tons of people that makes petitions on every small lag or visual bug they see, its only natural that CCP has implemented these rules regarding reimbursement.
Secondly, because of the huge variety on hardware and software setup, there is no way to determine the problem with 100% accuracy. Most, if not all companies usually blame the customers PC setup and move on. Realistically, there is nothing they can do, even if they took the time and tried to resolve any software issues, problem might be because of a hardware compatibility issue (and yes, even though your PC works/worked fine, there can be compatibility issues on certain applications).
Now, from the look of it, you either have a heating problem (anything from CPU to Power Supply), a driver problem (outdated ones), runtime problem (directx, get the latest version even if you think you have) or a problem with Windows XP becoming more bloated.
YOU, have to spend time and troubleshoot all these things, before coming into forums whining.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:53:00 -
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Offtopic posts deleted, thread moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Zora'e
Amarr Nocturnal Dementia
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Posted - 2011.02.16 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: leavcraft
We do not support Windows XP
first, XP is obsolete theres been two entirely new OSes since. Its not CCP's fault you arent willing to roll with the times.
Windows Vista = Bill Gates Crap on the world. Windows 7 = What Vista should have been.
However, for some people, paying for a new operating system isn't always financially possible, especially if they have to upgrade their hardware as well. For me the issue isn't hardware (though mine is starting to be dated) it's coming up with $110.00 to buy Windows 7 when I am struggling to keep ahead of my bills on a reduced income due to cut hours. I had to save for 4 months just to buy a $70.00 video card to replace my old one. I've considered stopping EVE for 4 months to save the RL iskies to upgrade the OS though. That is always a possibility I guess. -
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 15:53:00 -
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All very well, except eve works just fine on xp, even with the "unsupported" dual clients. Far more likely is something along the lines of the SSE2 thing (Linkage) which is always a possibility when using older pcs to do just about anything.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: leavcraft Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service. Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game. I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same. Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
thanks for a thoughtful reply, we chose the agents we were using via eve-agent and based our choice on the quality and number of agents within 2 jumps from the same npc corp, along with nearness to our research agents. So yes, research was done. We accepted that some low sec missions would be offered and subsequently declined. Our issue in that segment of my complaint is that since the Incursion release, the low sec offerings are now over 75% instead of well under 50%. Since the population didnt dramatically change in the course of a week, we are surmising that a change to mission assignment took place along with the removal of lvl 5's from high sec. In the absence of any official notification, we can only go by the numbers.
I cannot speak to any of your other problems, but perhaps I can help you with agents.
I found an awesome L4 command agent with a decent quality level in a 0.5 system that takes at least 4 jumps before you get to low sec. This means that the L4 0.5 command agent never sends me to low sec.
The agents you want to fly missions for are out there. You just need to do some searching to find them.
However, your posts make it come off as if you are unwilling to take the time to do any research to find any agents like the one I described above.
Before you fly missions, do you do any research to see which ammo and resists you should be using? Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure it'll do what you want? Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure you're getting a fair price?
I bet that you do research all the time for EvE. This change is just another thing you need to use research to overcome. If you are willing to put in the research, and a bit of standings grinding, I bet you, and your family, can be back to non-stop L4 mission running in under a week.
I wish you and your family good luck, no matter your choice.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:15:00 -
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Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver You have to understand, there are tons of petitions trying to fool GMs into reimbursing their ships. I know tons of people that makes petitions on every small lag or visual bug they see, its only natural that CCP has implemented these rules regarding reimbursement.
Secondly, because of the huge variety on hardware and software setup, there is no way to determine the problem with 100% accuracy. Most, if not all companies usually blame the customers PC setup and move on. Realistically, there is nothing they can do, even if they took the time and tried to resolve any software issues, problem might be because of a hardware compatibility issue (and yes, even though your PC works/worked fine, there can be compatibility issues on certain applications).
given that we are three players at different locations on 4 different machine set ups ranging from relatively new to one that is 2 years old all experiencing the same problems, it seems more likely that something in the game changed to exacerbate some issues with XP running dual clients. We have the most recent drivers for our vid cards (that are all gaming cards not general graphics cards) The specific ship loss complaint that I registered was looked at by a GM who determined that yes, one ship was safely put into space warping and the other was left in the mission until dead. Not being able to determine why that happened resulted in no compensation. I told the gm at the time, I have the ISK, that wasnt the issue, it was about prevention. Thats when i got the response about not supporting dual clients and xp. The part that grated on me at the time was the statement that unless it was a server side error there would be no reimbursement, yet the gm stated that the reason I lost one ship of the two is because they were routed to two different servers in the crash. So, isnt that a server issue if one puts you safely in space and the other leaves you in the mission? As such, my complaint about customer support is still the issue. Perhaps you could explain to me what I could have done to troubleshoot that particular issue?
Now, from the look of it, you either have a heating problem (anything from CPU to Power Supply), a driver problem (outdated ones), runtime problem (directx, get the latest version even if you think you have) or a problem with Windows XP becoming more bloated.
YOU, have to spend time and troubleshoot all these things, before coming into forums whining.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo5771 Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed? perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down. Ignore the level 5 issue, its understood, I am asking about the rest of the missions.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy All very well, except eve works just fine on xp, even with the "unsupported" dual clients. Far more likely is something along the lines of the SSE2 thing (Linkage) which is always a possibility when using older pcs to do just about anything.
thanks for the link, we have determined that the SSE2 thing was impacting a very new machine because the internal system was not reading the commands appropriately having been retro modified by another game installation. One machine working again and running Windows 7 64 bit OS having no trouble with dual clients.
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Neolithic Man
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Neolithic Man on 16/02/2011 18:56:26
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Gibbo5771 Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
No, but you're supposed to just accept it when they finally fix the bug. Be happy for all the goodies you got, and move on.
Originally by: leavcraft Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed?
Uh... because that's the sensible thing to do?
Originally by: leavcraft perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down.
Look, instead of whining about it, why don't you just suck it up and move to a new system. It'll only take an hour or two at most. Don't be so damn lazy!
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Neolithic Man Edited by: Neolithic Man on 16/02/2011 18:56:26
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Gibbo5771 Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
No, but you're supposed to just accept it when they finally fix the bug. Be happy for all the goodies you got, and move on.
I have accepted the lvl 5 change. lets move on
Originally by: leavcraft Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed?
Uh... because that's the sensible thing to do?
If the lvl 1 - 4 mission assignment logic has changed, then yes, I should pack up and move. If it is bugged for some reason, then someone should look into it. If it will take another couple of years, then i will move, would just like a CCP answer and not players telling me to just throw in the towel because something seems to be wrong.
Originally by: leavcraft perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down.
Look, instead of whining about it, why don't you just suck it up and move to a new system. It'll only take an hour or two at most. Don't be so damn lazy!
its not about being lazy, its about finding out what is really happening before i make such a move, and yes, it will take more than an hour. It has already taken several hours just to move ships to a new mission location.
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:33:00 -
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I think you'll find that they DO support Windows XP.
But you must have at least Service pack 2 installed. TBH if you don't have XP service pack 3 installed then you should not be using a computer anyway.
Originally by: CCP Shadow I think we'd be better off with a troll shard.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.17 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: thatbloke Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:42:13 Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:41:33 Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:40:01 I think you'll find that they DO support Windows XP. In which case my complaint about customer service is valid. It was a GM response that said "Windows XP is no longer a supported operating system". I would be happy to post the email including the GM's name.
But you must have at least Service pack 2 installed. TBH if you don't have at least XP service pack 3 plus all relevant security updates installed then you should not be using a computer anyway.
My service packs and updates are current.
EDIT: linky to System requirements page
It REALLY does not cost much to upgrade to something way more modern that will last another few years. Every year I update my hardware.
In addition, you mention that you are suddenly receiving lots of crashes and the like - I and many many others have experienced no such crashes - it's therefore entirely correct that we assume you have a problem at YOUR end of the line as opposed to a problem with EVE itself.
Many of us started crashing with the implementation of Incursion, feel free to look at any of a dozen threads on that subject. (some calling them disconnects) As well as a sudden increase in lag when using various parts of the UI (particularly chat and drone windows)
In addition: there are PLENTY of mission agents that are not near lowsec. If you really are getting that many losec missions, MOVE.
yes, i have been told to move by numerous respondants. None of whom seem to want to respond to the question of whether the mission assignment logic has in fact been changed, which is my primary question on the mission aspect of my post. If it has changed, then why>? If it hasn't changed, then why is the offering so lopsided since the Incursion implementation.
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Neolithic Man
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Posted - 2011.02.17 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft yes, i have been told to move by numerous respondants. None of whom seem to want to respond to the question of whether the mission assignment logic has in fact been changed, which is my primary question on the mission aspect of my post. If it has changed, then why>? If it hasn't changed, then why is the offering so lopsided since the Incursion implementation.
What we are telling you is that no, nobody has heard anything about any mission logic changes. In which case it most likely hasn't been changed.
If it hasn't been changed, then you are just seeing some kind of statistical effect, which may or may not go away eventually depending on the source of the effect (i.e. player population distribution changed, or just a run of bad luck).
If it has been changed, then "someone somewhere" probably had a good reason for it, and the adjustment was made after observing the effects of the original mission logic fix. In which case the chances of it being reverted are very near zero.
Moreover, continuing to whine, here and in other threads, is just plain annoying. Please stop.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.02.18 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Pink Sounds to me like you're raising your sons to be a couple of *****es, you may want to start doing some manly things with them (like pvp) before they both bring a boyfriend home. I'm just saying...
This made me chuckle.
And who says that bringing a boyfriend home isn't the most manly thing that a son could do? Male bonding at the extreme end [tip] of things and when in the dominant position is very masculine.
Responding to the OP: CCP's game design people *do not care* about how people like to play the game. Seriously. They design, re-design and nerf stuff in such a way that entire play styles can be completely ruined. It is the CCP way, so either you adapt to their challenged game design methods and poor customer expectation management OR you find another game. It is that simple with CCP.
And consider saving up for new hardware and OS. Running Windows XP, no matter what the fan bois say, is going to become more and more of a hassle as time wears on. Yes, I fully understand that the world wide economy is utter **** and that people's income potential greatly varies.
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