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Fasire	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Fasire on 16/02/2011 01:24:40 What builds are you guys using? (H) Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void (M) Y-T8 Overcharged Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor (soon to be faction) Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II (L) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control Unit II 5x Hammerhead II (R) Suggestions?
Jim Tudeski	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:27:00 - [2] Originally by: Fasire Edited by: Fasire on 16/02/2011 01:24:40 What builds are you guys using? (H) Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void (M) Y-T8 Overcharged Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor (soon to be faction) Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II (L) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control Unit II 5x Hammerhead II (R) Suggestions? Yeah, use ECM drones and faction mag stabs if you can afford.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:41:00 - [3] that can only work with Logistics cruiser in gang Otherwise the first cheap Hurricane you come across will own you, and there are lots of hurricanes.
Fasire	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:42:00 - [4] Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice?
Mister Normal Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Fasire Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice? Not much tank on there so best to have some medium field extender 2's
Darth Felin	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Fasire Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice? Anti-EM and Anti-Thermal T2 rigs (about 15m each) Third one can be extender for better buffer or Polycarbons for better mobility.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:55:00 - [7] [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead II x5 ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:23:00 - [8] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind. void is still fail against same hull class / smaller faction or GTFO and why bother flying a faction ship when u put ** mods on it ? sure it would be weak to neuting. pick better fights. use the BONUSES.......... if u want to fit ** mods to a vigilant your better off flying a failmos/thorax just my 2 cents ---
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind. void is still fail against same hull class / smaller faction or GTFO and why bother flying a faction ship when u put ** mods on it ? sure it would be weak to neuting. pick better fights. use the BONUSES.......... if u want to fit ** mods to a vigilant your better off flying a failmos/thorax just my 2 cents I dont think the problem was with the faction mods probably something to do with the 600mil in rigs you put on a 250mil ship -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 13:45:44 and that makes it bad ? maybe i have HG slaves ? i didn't say anyone had to fit it like this. OP asked "What builds are you guys using?" oh yea and the rigs are around 300mil....... ---
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 16/02/2011 13:52:04 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II I especially like its ability to quickly close range, top stuff. FW: awesome fits, awesome pvp'ers. Signature removed.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 16/02/2011 13:52:04 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II I especially like its ability to quickly close range, top stuff. FW: awesome fits, awesome pvp'ers. i pulled those from your last post so you can see them Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Webs how do they work ????? ---
Butzewutze	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Butzewutze on 16/02/2011 14:12:50 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 u will die. EVERYTIME.... u cant kite them. why you ask ?????? Cause Hybrids Suck look at your optimal/falloff best thing to do is web scram get close and blast there face off. they are WEBBED......... they are not moving plus with the scram they are dead in the water. u can think what u want, i have used this fit and i will fight 3 of the fits that op posted in my fit at the same time and win. Bullshlt detected!
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Butzewutze Bullshlt detected! this reply is brought to you by the Letter E and the letter A and the Letter T and the Letter S and the Letter H and the Letter I and the Letter T ---
KWyz	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:25:00 - [16] Weren't Serpentis ships admired by many pvp-ers because they basically represent a fix to everyhing that's currently plaguing(is that how you spell it?) Gallente vessels?(namely massive fitting issues). From what i've seen, serp stuff take after the other gal philosophy(the one that's not about drones), massive firepower at close ranges.(hence we have the Vindicator blasting everything in its path), with bonused webs so they don't get away(provided they're somehow tanked well enough to do that in time :P ). Basically the heavyweights in the brawler section.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: KWyz Weren't Serpentis ships admired by many pvp-ers because they basically represent a fix to everyhing that's currently plaguing(is that how you spell it?) Gallente vessels?(namely massive fitting issues). From what i've seen, serp stuff take after the other gal philosophy(the one that's not about drones), massive firepower at close ranges.(hence we have the Vindicator blasting everything in its path), with bonused webs so they don't get away(provided they're somehow tanked well enough to do that in time :P ). Basically the heavyweights in the brawler section. this guy either A) is really smart or B) actually flies a vigilant. he is RIGHT. if your going to be close u need a FREAKIN TANK this thing gets blaster bonuses and we bonuses without the PG/CPU issues that plague gall Thank you for actually knowing what your saying before posting. ---
freshspree	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:14:00 - [18] Get and fit 3 diemosts for the same iskies. Apart from that i think it's ok if you pick your targets carefully. Not a hybrid kinda guy atm.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:18:00 - [19] Originally by: freshspree Get and fit 3 diemosts for the same iskies. Apart from that i think it's ok if you pick your targets carefully. Not a hybrid kinda guy atm. i agree. if you don't have the iskies to lose, fit a diemost/thorax the op asked for vigilant fittings though. and the vigi is far more superior to the diemost/thorax ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:36:00 - [20] I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know. Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I ^^ your rigs ???????? thats a GIMP vigilant fit. your logic is failsauce. ---
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know. Evidently not alot if you think fitting 2 ancillary current routers to a Vigilant means you have a great fit -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30 I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space. Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I must encounter more idiots than you guys or something. Indeed Fixed it for you. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:43:00 - [25] Because bringing neuts and buffer enough not to get 1 volleyed by this isn't a smart move on their part? Is everyone so certain they'd never have to deal with a cane in these things or something?
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30 I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space. Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically. even using a small cap booster with your proposed fit, still requires that u use atleast 1 ACR tank still gimped still has a gimped fit due to MWD only 1 web still using a CB, now a small CB still wasted slot. Long Point still ? if u want three trimarks with your fit then i think u might have to downgrade to ions. once again GIMPED. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:07:00 - [27] Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. ---
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips do you even own a vigilant ? You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Mutant Caldari Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips do you even own a vigilant ? You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal. cool story bro. ---

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