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Fasire	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Fasire on 16/02/2011 01:24:40 What builds are you guys using? (H) Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void (M) Y-T8 Overcharged Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor (soon to be faction) Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II (L) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control Unit II 5x Hammerhead II (R) Suggestions?
Jim Tudeski	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:27:00 - [2] Originally by: Fasire Edited by: Fasire on 16/02/2011 01:24:40 What builds are you guys using? (H) Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void Heavy Neutron II - Void (M) Y-T8 Overcharged Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor (soon to be faction) Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II (L) Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control Unit II 5x Hammerhead II (R) Suggestions? Yeah, use ECM drones and faction mag stabs if you can afford.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:41:00 - [3] that can only work with Logistics cruiser in gang Otherwise the first cheap Hurricane you come across will own you, and there are lots of hurricanes.
Fasire	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:42:00 - [4] Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice?
Mister Normal Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Fasire Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice? Not much tank on there so best to have some medium field extender 2's
Darth Felin	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Fasire Yes I will be changing the damage mods as soon as they become available. Any rig advice? Anti-EM and Anti-Thermal T2 rigs (about 15m each) Third one can be extender for better buffer or Polycarbons for better mobility.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:55:00 - [7] [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead II x5 ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:23:00 - [8] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind. void is still fail against same hull class / smaller faction or GTFO and why bother flying a faction ship when u put ** mods on it ? sure it would be weak to neuting. pick better fights. use the BONUSES.......... if u want to fit ** mods to a vigilant your better off flying a failmos/thorax just my 2 cents ---
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind. void is still fail against same hull class / smaller faction or GTFO and why bother flying a faction ship when u put ** mods on it ? sure it would be weak to neuting. pick better fights. use the BONUSES.......... if u want to fit ** mods to a vigilant your better off flying a failmos/thorax just my 2 cents I dont think the problem was with the faction mods probably something to do with the 600mil in rigs you put on a 250mil ship -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 13:45:44 and that makes it bad ? maybe i have HG slaves ? i didn't say anyone had to fit it like this. OP asked "What builds are you guys using?" oh yea and the rigs are around 300mil....... ---
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 16/02/2011 13:52:04 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II I especially like its ability to quickly close range, top stuff. FW: awesome fits, awesome pvp'ers. Signature removed.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 16/02/2011 13:52:04 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 [Vigilant, Passive] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II I especially like its ability to quickly close range, top stuff. FW: awesome fits, awesome pvp'ers. i pulled those from your last post so you can see them Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Webs how do they work ????? ---
Butzewutze	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Butzewutze on 16/02/2011 14:12:50 Originally by: Dark Assassin15 u will die. EVERYTIME.... u cant kite them. why you ask ?????? Cause Hybrids Suck look at your optimal/falloff best thing to do is web scram get close and blast there face off. they are WEBBED......... they are not moving plus with the scram they are dead in the water. u can think what u want, i have used this fit and i will fight 3 of the fits that op posted in my fit at the same time and win. Bullshlt detected!
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Butzewutze Bullshlt detected! this reply is brought to you by the Letter E and the letter A and the Letter T and the Letter S and the Letter H and the Letter I and the Letter T ---
KWyz	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:25:00 - [16] Weren't Serpentis ships admired by many pvp-ers because they basically represent a fix to everyhing that's currently plaguing(is that how you spell it?) Gallente vessels?(namely massive fitting issues). From what i've seen, serp stuff take after the other gal philosophy(the one that's not about drones), massive firepower at close ranges.(hence we have the Vindicator blasting everything in its path), with bonused webs so they don't get away(provided they're somehow tanked well enough to do that in time :P ). Basically the heavyweights in the brawler section.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: KWyz Weren't Serpentis ships admired by many pvp-ers because they basically represent a fix to everyhing that's currently plaguing(is that how you spell it?) Gallente vessels?(namely massive fitting issues). From what i've seen, serp stuff take after the other gal philosophy(the one that's not about drones), massive firepower at close ranges.(hence we have the Vindicator blasting everything in its path), with bonused webs so they don't get away(provided they're somehow tanked well enough to do that in time :P ). Basically the heavyweights in the brawler section. this guy either A) is really smart or B) actually flies a vigilant. he is RIGHT. if your going to be close u need a FREAKIN TANK this thing gets blaster bonuses and we bonuses without the PG/CPU issues that plague gall Thank you for actually knowing what your saying before posting. ---
freshspree	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:14:00 - [18] Get and fit 3 diemosts for the same iskies. Apart from that i think it's ok if you pick your targets carefully. Not a hybrid kinda guy atm.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:18:00 - [19] Originally by: freshspree Get and fit 3 diemosts for the same iskies. Apart from that i think it's ok if you pick your targets carefully. Not a hybrid kinda guy atm. i agree. if you don't have the iskies to lose, fit a diemost/thorax the op asked for vigilant fittings though. and the vigi is far more superior to the diemost/thorax ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:36:00 - [20] I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know. Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I ^^ your rigs ???????? thats a GIMP vigilant fit. your logic is failsauce. ---
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know. Evidently not alot if you think fitting 2 ancillary current routers to a Vigilant means you have a great fit -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30 I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space. Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Daneel Trevize I must encounter more idiots than you guys or something. Indeed Fixed it for you. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:43:00 - [25] Because bringing neuts and buffer enough not to get 1 volleyed by this isn't a smart move on their part? Is everyone so certain they'd never have to deal with a cane in these things or something?
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30 I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space. Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically. even using a small cap booster with your proposed fit, still requires that u use atleast 1 ACR tank still gimped still has a gimped fit due to MWD only 1 web still using a CB, now a small CB still wasted slot. Long Point still ? if u want three trimarks with your fit then i think u might have to downgrade to ions. once again GIMPED. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:07:00 - [27] Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. ---
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips do you even own a vigilant ? You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Mutant Caldari Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips do you even own a vigilant ? You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal. cool story bro. ---
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Originally by: Mutant Caldari Originally by: Dark Assassin15 Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. once again i can understand what your saying. but i pick my fights. i don't roam around in this fit i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else. with all that in mind........ i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips do you even own a vigilant ? You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal. cool story bro. Oh, I know it is. Non-fiction is always the best<3 Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:51:00 - [32] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 17:56:09 No I don't own a Vigilant, I looked at it and never quite decided it was worth it for the limitations I couldn't get around. If 1 cheap BC wants you dead before you or your mates have killed it, you're probably going down. Me 1 Me 2 Not much I know but I fly a Proteus with quite a bit of success, and have used Astarte, Ashimmu, Arazu and even Deimos almost without loss, though as my experience has grown I find Scorch or Winmatar are indeed the way forward. But back to this business of knowing your every opponent and not roaming... so you're staying in 1 system with alts & corpmates to ensure you're safe to gank a frig in a bil isk cruiser? Where are your Vigilant kills anyway, seems you have less that 13, so 1% of your total.
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Daneel Trevize No I don't own a Vigilant, I looked at it and never quite decided it was worth it for the limitations I couldn't get around. If 1 cheap BC wants you dead before you or your mates have killed it, you're probably going down. Me 1 Me 2 Not much I know but I fly a Proteus with quite a bit of success, and have used Astarte, Ashimmu, Arazu and even Deimos almost without loss, though as my experience has grown I find Scorch or Winmatar are indeed the way forward. But back to this business of knowing your every opponent and not roaming... so you're staying in 1 system with alts & corpmates to ensure you're safe to gank a frig in a bil isk cruiser? Have you seen his KB? He stays in Amamake with Heretic afraid to move without the blob. Js. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Daneel Trevize No I don't own a Vigilant, I looked at it and never quite decided it was worth it for the limitations I couldn't get around. If 1 cheap BC wants you dead before you or your mates have killed it, you're probably going down. Me 1 Me 2 Not much I know but I fly a Proteus with quite a bit of success, and have used Astarte, Ashimmu, Arazu and even Deimos almost without loss, though as my experience has grown I find Scorch or Winmatar are indeed the way forward. But back to this business of knowing your every opponent and not roaming... so you're staying in 1 system with alts & corpmates to ensure you're safe to gank a frig in a bil isk cruiser? i didn't say i knew them, all i said was that i pick my fights i also don't just fly the vigilant. DA - Known Ships ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:19:00 - [35] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 18:18:57 I'm confused, now you have 1/3 the kills and you've killed 3 more things with a Vigilant than you have in a pod... FWIW OP, shield Vigilants and Adrestia were/are ripping up the FFAs on Sisi. Try them out with meta4 webs unless you can bargain some faction stuff. Mail me if you want a Vig and there's none available.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:23:00 - [36] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 18:25:51 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 18:18:57 I'm confused, now you have 1/3 the kills and you've killed 3 more things with a Vigilant than you have in a pod... FWIW OP, shield Vigilants and Adrestia were/are ripping up the FFAs on Sisi. Try them out with meta4 webs unless you can bargain some faction stuff. Mail me if you want a Vig and there's none available. and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi I'm going to stop here. just be sure you let me put your vigi on my kb, when u finally buy and use one. lol ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Daneel Trevize ...I don't own a Vigilant... Originally by: Dark Assassin15 and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi Needz m0ar 90% webz 2 keep up!!1 I would 1v1 your Vig fit in my Ashimmu any time, just say when, please.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:46:00 - [38] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 18:49:09 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Originally by: Daneel Trevize ...I don't own a Vigilant... Originally by: Dark Assassin15 and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi Needz m0ar 90% webz 2 keep up!!1 I would 1v1 your Vig fit in my Ashimmu any time, just say when, please. yea cause i would totally do that. and i would 1v1 your ashimmu in my rupture, point ? and if your ashimmu fit is anything like your proposed vigi fit im sure its a failure. your a cool guy. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:53:00 - [39] Wait so Rupture > 1bil Vigilant? Why is that? The lack of cap booster, or the lack of mwd, or the blasters, or the isk, or what? Back to the ship and basics, if a blaster boat is fail without a scram and a web, what's wrong with having just 1 web that's as good at slowing the enemy as a scram, but also keeps their sig huge and drains their cap? Midslots are precious, but CCP just gave you a 2 for 1 special, why pack 2? To control a second target that's already within 18km?
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Wait so Rupture > 1bil Vigilant? Why is that? The lack of cap booster, or the lack of mwd, or the blasters, or the isk, or what? Back to the ship and basics, if a blaster boat is fail without a scram and a web, what's wrong with having just 1 web that's as good at slowing the enemy as a scram, but also keeps their sig huge and drains their cap? Midslots are precious, but CCP just gave you a 2 for 1 special, why pack 2? To control a second target that's already within 18km? so if this thread was talking about a winmatar ship would you still offer a 1v1 against your ashimmu ? OF COURSE NOT.... you will attempt to counter my ship/race OF COURSE...... would i solo engage a ashimmu in a vigi ???? OF COURSE NOT.... you prove nothing. the noobs you pvp and ME have nothing in common. ---
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:29:00 - [41] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 19:36:33 I can't help but think you're agreeing with me. You fit a ship to work with its strengths and mitigate its weaknesses. Why do only you get to know the enemy and dictate the engagement? Vs said Ashimmu you're under a long point, with only an ab, and can't get away, or into point range without being neuted dry in 1 cycle. Vs a Cynabal, again you're kited to death, you can't get away or hit it. Packing different drones you might have a lucky jam to flee with. In fact vs any other faction cruiser I can think of, you're ****ed the same way. Phantasm, kited like the Ashimmu would. Gila, lol you're goint to be kited and maybe die to a Gila, or just shoot its drones and it'll leave. You surely need to expect people to try and not get close to the blaster boat. And to neut it if they can, or bring neuts/TDs if they expect to meet it with any regularity. If they do get/start close, what's a second, stacking penalized web going to get you that a different mid isn't? If you're vs a frig, again pack some bloody warriors + ec300s if it isn't dead already. Put a TD of your own in the new spare mid rather than another web for vs cruisers of anything beyond the T1 varient. Yes there's no ubersolopwn ship, but this one has some real limitations to consider despite the fact CCP give it bonuses to work around usual blaster boat ones.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:42:00 - [42] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/02/2011 19:44:03 Armor Vigilant: t2 damage control t2 energized adaptive x2 (or faction) t2 magstab x2 (or faction) 1600mm rtp y-t8 mwd long point (or faction) web x2 (or faction) / web x1 + injector if you're worried about cap t2 heavy ions x5 3x trimarks (or t2 trimarks) Switch guns to neutrons and you can fit a 800mm plate, but given stuff you tackle doesnt really move and you are only marginally faster thats not really a good trade over the lost EHP. Injector over dual web is up for grabs really, dual webs has the distinct advantage that they stop even the fastest stuff before they can burn back to a gate. As far as t2 rigs go, I dont see why people are bashing that so much in this thread. They are only 100mill a piece, and a fully faction fit vigilant with t2 trimarks is only around 800mill. Edit: The shield fit in the OP isnt bad either, especially with Loki bonuses that makes a nasty kiter. You'll want logistics support though, but who hasnt got logistics support these days anyway.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:46:00 - [43] For 800m you'd get a proteus that has nearly an order of magnitude more buffer and a scram that's as long as its web. And more drones iirc.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 19:34:15 I can't help but think you're agreeing with me. You fit a ship to work with its strengths and mitigate its weaknesses. Why do only you get to know the enemy and dictate the engagement? Vs said Ashimmu you're under a long point, with only an ab, and can't get away, or into point range without being neuted dry in 1 cycle. Vs a Cynabal, again you're kited to death, you can't get away or hit it. Packing different drones you might have a lucky jam to flee with. In fact vs any other faction cruiser I can think of, you're ****ed the same way. Phantasm, kited like the Ashimmu would. Gila, lol you're goint to be kited and maybe die to a Gila, or just shoot its drones and it'll leave. You surely need to expect people to try and not get close to the blaster boat. And to neut it if they can, or bring neuts/TDs if they expect to meet it with any regularity. If they do get/start close, what's a second, stacking penalized web going to get you that a different mid isn't? If you're vs a frig, again pack some bloody warriors + ec300s. Put a TD of your own in the new spare mid rather than another web. Yes there's no ubersolopwn ship, but this one has some real limitations to consider despite the fact CCP give it bonuses to work around usual blaster boat ones. i kind of agree. every ship has a weakness, you just happen to focus on other ships vs the topic at hand i believe the OP wanted to know what fits we use on our vigilant. talking about what ships can counter it and how are besides the point. we can talk about counters vs every ship in the game. still doesn't prove your point of my vigilant fit failing against your 3x ACR fit vigilant. i posted a fit that i have used. you post crap about it being weak to neuts, weak to kite, blah blah every ship is weak to something, they have there strengths & weaknesses . thats the good thing about eve is that its pretty balanced. not saying that your tactics are wrong or anything like that, I'm just giving you my opinion i would not fly my vigilant like that ---
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 19:36:33 I can't help but think you're agreeing with me. You fit a ship to work with its strengths and mitigate its weaknesses. Why do only you get to know the enemy and dictate the engagement? Vs said Ashimmu you're under a long point, with only an ab, and can't get away, or into point range without being neuted dry in 1 cycle. Vs a Cynabal, again you're kited to death, you can't get away or hit it. Packing different drones you might have a lucky jam to flee with. In fact vs any other faction cruiser I can think of, you're ****ed the same way. Phantasm, kited like the Ashimmu would. Gila, lol you're goint to be kited and maybe die to a Gila, or just shoot its drones and it'll leave. You surely need to expect people to try and not get close to the blaster boat. And to neut it if they can, or bring neuts/TDs if they expect to meet it with any regularity. If they do get/start close, what's a second, stacking penalized web going to get you that a different mid isn't? If you're vs a frig, again pack some bloody warriors + ec300s if it isn't dead already. Put a TD of your own in the new spare mid rather than another web for vs cruisers of anything beyond the T1 varient. Yes there's no ubersolopwn ship, but this one has some real limitations to consider despite the fact CCP give it bonuses to work around usual blaster boat ones. There is an ubersolopwn ship, it's called the Bhaalgorn.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/02/2011 19:57:55 Same amount of drones, but more turret damage on the Proteus. The frigate defense on the Vigilant is a lot better though, the Proteus cant compete there by a long shot, as well as tracking never being an issue even if you get webbed and scrammed back.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:57:00 - [47] And I think yours is weak to almost everything, unless they end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that. It was only 2 ACR at most, and can be 2 trimarks if you wish for 2 less navy 400 cap boosters before reload, and an explosive hole.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 20:34:20 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 20:02:06 And I think yours is weak to almost everything, unlessthey end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that. And I think "mine" fulfills its role just fine, When they end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that. ---
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:42:00 - [49] dualweb/scram is the way to go. Reason being; you can completely lock down one enemy, then when his gang mates warp in you can keep him locked down with scram, then keep his gang mates out of range with your webs long enough for you to finish primary off ;) Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Altaica Amur Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:57:00 - [50] Quote: Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits. I think you might be missing the whole point of the fit, ab and cruiser should have really been a clue but this seems a pretty good fit for rolling with an armorhac gang as a heavy tackle/dps ship, t2 rigs seem like overkill but to each their own, it also pairs really well with a proteus as one can carry all the points you ever wanted while the vigilant focuses on webbing targets down. Quote: Same amount of drones, but more turret damage on the Proteus. The frigate defense on the Vigilant is a lot better though, the Proteus cant compete there by a long shot, as well as tracking and range control never being an issue even if you get webbed and scrammed back. Proteus has one massive, undeniable and significant advantage, ehp/resists with the latter being more important in many ways if you're going to have logistics around.
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:05:00 - [51] Edited by: Diomidis on 16/02/2011 21:06:25 The enemy of the good is the "cheaper that does pretty much the same thing". Assume a good gank Vigilant, plated yet with some neut proofing (do the math m8s, you don't need med boosters to run medium guns, just like you can go with a med booster in a gank/buffer BS (at least other than the Abaddon n lazor:P). Quote: [Vigilant, Vigilant - 1600 RT + Booster] Damage Control II Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Respected 44k EHP (that of a shield cane that is), 809dps (907 overheated)... You don't need 2x webs, and IMHO you cannot afford 2x webs unless you pick enemies with no Neuts...kinda hard Blaster ships used to work way better with 90% webs, and that's exactly what the Vigi does. An yes, AFAIK, if you have to have 2x webs, then the scram makes little point...webs out-range it, and just webbing the opponent that tries to flee (the easy kill with no neuts etc) before scrambling will actually help it flee (aka warp out) faster. 2x 90% webs are so effective, that actually running the MWD only makes it worse as you close in and track perfectly a hugely penalized ship with nearly zero speed and 4-figure sig. The long point works perfectly fine or even better than the scram if you have 2x webs and you are focusing on a single target. The thing is, if you only try to gank ppl in undocking points or on accel. gates etc, where the fight always starts where you want it too (point blank), why use the Vigilant the first place ? Go for an even gankier Brutix (965 O/h dps) Quote: [Brutix, Max Gank] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Or one with similar DPS and slightly better tank... Quote: [Brutix, 800mm Gank] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 An its chea
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:13:00 - [52] Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 21:14:12 Quote: Vigilant PVP - What builds are you guys using? ---
spreee	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:18:00 - [53] Edited by: spreee on 16/02/2011 21:20:05 if in gang whit tacklers and reps or just tackler and friends, here you go! not really a solo machine these days were everything is slower then what it used to be =) [Vigilant, PANGPANG] Damage Control II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Hammerhead II x5 get in web range, press F1 stuff melts at 11km out whit full gunnery support!
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:48:00 - [54] If you have others to tackle for you, why don't you just go for a similarly buffered Brutix with one LSE and 2x webs and more DPS, or a gank, shield buffer Hyperion with 50% more DPS and double the effective range with faction AM?
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:53:00 - [55] Quote: Vigilant PVP - What builds are you guys using? And, GO ! ---

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