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Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 03:35:00 - [1] Not calling for a nerf here, just wanting to share something with the group. And, in the spirit of lowsec solo pvp... If you fit out a Comet with an active armor tank, web, nos and neutrons, you get a good tank lots of dps speedy solo machine. If you fit the DD the EXACT same way - minus the neutrons to ions because the DD doesn't have as much CPU or PG - the only noticable difference stat-wise is 10 more dps and 100-someodd m/s more from the DD. The real distinguishing thing about the daredevil is, obviously, it's web bonus, which is a great bonus for sure. In a nutshell, the Comet, IMO, is the most OP navy faction frig in the game.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.16 03:57:00 - [2] Oh man, that's oh no really umm.. right so So hard to believe Did he just say Uh huh. Yeah, it is! Anyway. Yeah... -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
oldmanst4r Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation	Posted - 2011.02.16 04:49:00 - [3] Navy comet is fine, but nowhere near unbalanced. Protip: Fly the ships in combat before calling them OP. EFT doesn't tell the whole story. For example, the caldari navy hookbill is by far the best faction frigate but its eft stats don't look terribly impressive at first glance. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Maz3r Rakum Gallente The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.02.16 05:22:00 - [4] Slicer could give either the hookbill or comet a run for its money. However, the firetail is pretty much **** IMO if you disagree please pos a firetail fit that can take on AFs/faction frigs.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 05:49:00 - [5] Originally by: oldmanst4r protip Please don't assume you're some kind of guru for knowing a hookbill can kite at rocket range kthx.
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:57:00 - [6] Hi OP, you are wrong. ~~~
Won Hung Lo	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Maz3r Rakum Slicer could give either the hookbill or comet a run for its money. However, the firetail is pretty much **** IMO if you disagree please pos a firetail fit that can take on AFs/faction frigs. Easy. You think the Comet is the only navy faction ship that is heavily related to a pirate ship? Spend more time looking and thinking, not praying someone serves up the obvious. I've had Comets run away from my Firetail --- CCP always falls back on the 'sandbox' excuse when pinned down in their current failed expansion offering. Remember the sandbox? Cats loved it and you only found one thing in it. --For sale
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.02.16 08:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Tony SoXai The real distinguishing thing about the daredevil is, obviously, it's web bonus, which is a great bonus for sure.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 08:52:00 - [9] Seriously the comet ..... overpowered?????? All the navy faction ships are fairly good and well balanced with each other -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Kepakh	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Tony SoXai Not calling for a nerf here, just wanting to share something with the group. And, in the spirit of lowsec solo pvp... If you fit out a Comet with an active armor tank, web, nos and neutrons, you get a good tank lots of dps speedy solo machine. If you fit the DD the EXACT same way - minus the neutrons to ions because the DD doesn't have as much CPU or PG - the only noticable difference stat-wise is 10 more dps and 100-someodd m/s more from the DD. The real distinguishing thing about the daredevil is, obviously, it's web bonus, which is a great bonus for sure. In a nutshell, the Comet, IMO, is the most OP navy faction frig in the game. Can you actually post a fit of the Comet you talk about?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:40:00 - [11] i wish the firetail wasnt so crappy comet is far from op however 0/10?
TaluxA	Posted - 2011.02.16 10:06:00 - [12] The navy faction ships are pretty balanced, really, with the exception of the firetail being kind of weak. They actually fit into the frigate lineup really well, being a sort of middle ground between interceptor speed and AF gank/tank. It's not really unbalanced. A comet is a bit fragile and can lose to quite a few different frigates without them needing to fit specifically for it.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.16 10:13:00 - [13] i think frigs should have a boost to their hulls, like 50% round the board. this would make them all last just a bit longer and dcu equipped gall frigs would have a extra advantage with their additional hull.
DarkAegix	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:27:00 - [14] Buff Dramiel
catinboots Minmatar Vintage collective	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:46:00 - [15] mr comet please meet mr hookbill Hookbill meet mr comet ................ Oooops i am sorry mr pod dduuhh i mean comet _____________ There be dragons
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Tony SoXai ... and 100-someodd m/s more from the DD.... You are ignoring the DD bonus to webs, in the high-speed/high-tracking frigate world the lack of mobility from being hit with a god-web is ... not good. Hookbill is considerably more dangerous than the Comet, with five mids it can fit for pretty much all eventualities and does decent damage at a good range to boot. Slicer is a close second to the Hook, but most of its power is from range/damage with only a few fitting paradigms available. Comet and Firetail are about equal after those two. In short: Yeah, Comet is definitely borderline OP!!!
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:28:00 - [17] the velator is in the same boat. if you officer fit it, it'll do over 180dps!!!! that's waaaay over any other noobship. nerf velator too. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:52:00 - [18] Edited by: Tony SoXai on 16/02/2011 14:52:31 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida stuff I am just surprised at how effective the Comet it is as a blaster/armor ship; it does not need to kite other frigates like the Slicer and Hookbill to be effective. Also if you read my post you'll notice I didn't ignore the Daredevil's bonus at all. Originally by: Grimpak Velator is op Yeah it is. I wasn't calling for a nerf here; I just wanted to share with the public that the Comet is a very good option as a soloownmobile if you're training for a Daredevil or Ishkur or just wanna use something different; I was genuinely surprised at how effective a blaster boat it is; if the Comet got a 90% web bonus it would be better than a Daredevil/equal. Can you say that about the slicer? Sorry about this thread, I know it seems trollish.
Clan Toy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:21:00 - [19] How fast is your comet? I found that my blasters are rather worthless since it cant catch anything it could EFT kill.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Clan Toy How fast is your comet? I found that my blasters are rather worthless since it cant catch anything it could EFT kill. My fit goes 1300 m/s un-heated, and 1700 m/s overheated. With a Coreli C-type AB.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Clan Toy How fast is your comet? I found that my blasters are rather worthless since it cant catch anything it could EFT kill. My fit goes 1300 m/s un-heated, and 1700 m/s overheated. With a Coreli C-type AB. Could you post your fit please? -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:50:00 - [22] This is it's current state. [Federation Navy Comet, My fit please.] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x3
Clan Toy	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:54:00 - [23] I think most battleships can outrun that. Jus sayin'
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Clan Toy I think most battleships can outrun that. Jus sayin' I can only think of two and one of them requires heat to do so. This of course is assuming normal fits for them. As for the comet fit, why cap rigs? They aren't greatly needed as you shouldn't need the repper against larger ships and smaller ships fights are over so quick that capping out shouldn't be a problem. -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Tony SoXai Sorry about this thread, I know it seems trollish. then don't post it! --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:00:00 - [26] @Korg Speed rigs reduce your armor hp, armor rigs reduce your speed, and it's almost impossible to fit a damage rig to a faction ship, whereas CCCs will give two-three extra armor reps throughout a brawl (quite important if you're fighting multiple enemies) without any drawbacks at all.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Tony SoXai @Korg Speed rigs reduce your armor hp, armor rigs reduce your speed, and it's almost impossible to fit a damage rig to a faction ship, whereas CCCs will give two-three extra armor reps throughout a brawl (quite important if you're fighting multiple enemies) without any drawbacks at all. You should be able to get a damage rig on there, as your fit is, minus the rigs, the same one I use -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Kepakh	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Kepakh on 16/02/2011 16:14:40 Originally by: Tony SoXai This is it's current state. [Federation Navy Comet, My fit please.] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x3 T2 cannot compensate the inherited speed and agility advantage but 195m/s and 0.6 align time won't make it overpowered. Just another retraded faction ship... [Ishkur, Ishkur] Damage Control II Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Nanofiber Internal Structure II Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Hobgoblin II x5
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:15:00 - [29] Edited by: Korg Leaf on 16/02/2011 16:15:21 Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Tony SoXai This is it's current state. [Federation Navy Comet, My fit please.] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x3 Apart from ******ed inherited speed and agility advantage(195m/s and 0.6 align time) of faction crap which T2 ship cannot supplement for, I do not find your comet worthy the money. [Ishkur, Ishkur] Damage Control II Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Nanofiber Internal Structure II Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Hobgoblin II x5 That ishkur fit is slower, has less dps and reps less than his comet and isnt really that much cheaper edit. Im not defending tonys fit -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:23:00 - [30] That fit is actually pretty lols-worthy. Nano on a Gal ship and armor rigging on an armor tanking ship? :S Enjoy getting wrecked by every Ishkur you fight.
Kepakh	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Korg Leaf That ishkur fit is slower, has less dps and reps less than his comet and isnt really that much cheaper edit. Im not defending tonys fit Sure, it is slower due idiocy of faction ship design but Ishkur still have advantage of more drones as selectable dmg type, also the rep difference is negligable and Ishkur does not need C-Type Adaptive plating which makes large difference in cost. However, point is that the ship is far from OP, even when compared to T2 ship.
Kepakh	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Tony SoXai Enjoy getting wrecked by every Ishkur you fight. Huh? I fit that Ishkur to be as close to your Comet as possible and it indeed does except inherited speed advatnage - Ishkur still has about same tank and DPS. In the light of what I just said, your statement makes you look pretty stupid...
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:37:00 - [33] The Firetail is far from crappy.. It can push close to the same DPS as a Dram while fitting a good tank as well as EW support.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Mutnin The Firetail is far from crappy.. It can push close to the same DPS as a Dram while fitting a good tank as well as EW support. and 30-60% of your dps isn't destructible, altho it doesn't have the same range. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Korg Leaf That ishkur fit is slower, has less dps and reps less than his comet and isnt really that much cheaper edit. Im not defending tonys fit Sure, it is slower due idiocy of faction ship design but Ishkur still have advantage of more drones as selectable dmg type, also the rep difference is negligable and Ishkur does not need C-Type Adaptive plating which makes large difference in cost. However, point is that the ship is far from OP, even when compared to T2 ship. Ah didnt realise that was your point, yes this ship is hardly OP. Its basically a Taranis with more drones and armor -------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Tony SoXai Sorry about this thread, I know it seems trollish. Forum warrior protip: if you don't want to come off as a troll, don't use the term "OP" when you mean "good" or "viable" or whatever it is you actually meant.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: Tony SoXai Enjoy getting wrecked by every Ishkur you fight. Huh? I fit that Ishkur to be as close to your Comet as possible and it indeed does except inherited speed advatnage - Ishkur still has about same tank and DPS. In the light of what I just said, your statement makes you look pretty stupid... How about fit a ship building upon it's strengths so that it can kill other ships in it's class instead of trying to make it compare to Comet hmm?
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:48:00 - [38] begs to differ http://nair.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7799553 I was in mwd fit even.. granted the fight was close (and awesome), but if a succubus can win.... --signature-- F.CS boost: Here Vid: Link
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:04:00 - [39] Originally by: adriaans begs to differ http://nair.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7799553 I was in mwd fit even.. granted the fight was close (and awesome), but if a succubus can win.... Well flown Succubus with Scorch and AB + web obviously just kites that setup and chews through you or neuts out your active tank... not a huge deal.
Puppet Dictator Pirate Moon	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:08:00 - [40] Edited by: Puppet Dictator on 16/02/2011 19:08:43 A shame he lost it to a couple of rifters :P http://nair.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7861128
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:54:00 - [41] As i stated I was mwd fit, and thus it was brawled at 500m.. And yeah, I lost it not much later.. the succubus just lacks when fighting against several frigs at once, especially when one of them neuts, no control at all then (i use mwd remember). Then again, i had been trying to loose it for several days already so meh --signature-- F.CS boost: Here Vid: Link
Sultry Sinner	Posted - 2011.02.16 23:00:00 - [42] Originally by: DarkAegix Buff Dramiel
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.16 23:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Mutnin The Firetail is far from crappy.. It can push close to the same DPS as a Dram while fitting a good tank as well as EW support. The Tail is a souped-up Rifter. One of the best frigs in game getting extra mid and general navy goodness cannot end any other way than good .. scary ship in the right hands. Originally by: adriaans ...Then again, i had been trying to loose it for several days already so meh People still not buying the Suck-a-bus on markets I take it?
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:47:00 - [44] Bring back Firetail's velocity bonus, please? ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:49:00 - [45] Originally by: Umega Bring back Firetail's velocity bonus, please? They baked it into the hull at frig level 3. They should have just baked it into the hull. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Crystonaia	Posted - 2011.02.17 08:56:00 - [46] this is the firetail setup i use, it can spar with dramiels ;) [Republic Fleet Firetail, Eva1] Tracking Enhancer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner Small 'Ghoul' Energy Siphon I 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Ira Astrum	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:51:00 - [47] Hookbill. ...Hookbil.

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