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bom chickawawa
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Posted - 2011.02.16 19:43:00 -
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Hi
I want to make some isk through PI i am going to make coolant in high sec. Ive got the basics down what i need to know is -
What planet type i should use? (i think gas)
How many of each facility i need?
what level should i get my skills to?
i want to start on one planet and run on 24 hour cycles then i will expand once i feel ive got one running well
Thanks
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Pugzilla Black
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:08:00 -
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 Originally by: bom chickawawa
Hi
I want to make some isk through PI i am going to make coolant in high sec. Ive got the basics down what i need to know is -
What planet type i should use? (i think gas)
How many of each facility i need?
what level should i get my skills to?
i want to start on one planet and run on 24 hour cycles then i will expand once i feel ive got one running well
Thanks
Coolant is pretty simple. I make coolant on a storm planet that I combine with oxides from another to make condensates. Since I'm not on everyday, my extractors run on 2 day cycles. As far as skills go, all you need is one planet to make coolant, so level 1 Interplanetary Consolidation is all you need for that. As far as Command Center Upgrades goes, I'd train that up to at least level 3 so you can have plenty of power for your factories and extractors.
Good luck!
Pugz
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Zircalla
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:30:00 -
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Storm planets generally work best if you plan to do it all on one planet w/o shuttling stuff around, because they are smaller and the water and electrolytes are not necessarily as far apart - on gas planets, they are in very specific bands and the planets are always large, so there is always a minimum distance.
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.02.18 09:29:00 -
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Using a single planet to produce P2 item is considored.... not very effective e.g lower than normal return/isk per hour
Now if you want to make some isk via PI by producing coolents - ya want somethiong like this 
Farm planets consist of launch pad, normally 2 mining heads as many pins ya can get down and one BIF for every 150k of P0 to run 24 hours non stop.
 Ice planet - aquarous liquids = water
Storm planet - ionic solutions = eletrolytes ( you may require a gas planet to help produce enough P1 electrolytes )
Export the above to...
A Factory planet, these consist of multi luanch pads and as many AIF ya can fit depending on how much materials you have.
I do this with 2 lauch pads each hold 25k of P1 all routed into 4 AIF routed back to Lauch pad this will run for 6 days...
Each AIF requires 1k of each PI to perma run 24 hours.
(please bear in mind some figues are round up 144k to run BIF 24 hours, 960 units of each P1 to run an AIF 24 hours )
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Jason Farstrider
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Posted - 2011.02.18 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyirari
Using a single planet to produce P2 item is considored.... not very effective e.g lower than normal return/isk per hour
Perhaps if you measure isk/hour of realtime, but if you measure isk/hour of played time I think you'll find that a setup with two ECUs, 4x BIF, 2x AIF, 1x Launchpad, and as many heads as you can fit (usually around 13) producing P2 on a single hisec planet on long cycles is extremely profitable - mostly because you only need to haul maybe once every fortnight.
How often do you need to log in and check on your setup? How much hauling between planets do you need to do?
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Farstrider
Originally by: Kiyirari
Using a single planet to produce P2 item is considored.... not very effective e.g lower than normal return/isk per hour
Perhaps if you measure isk/hour of realtime, but if you measure isk/hour of played time I think you'll find that a setup with two ECUs, 4x BIF, 2x AIF, 1x Launchpad, and as many heads as you can fit (usually around 13) producing P2 on a single hisec planet on long cycles is extremely profitable - mostly because you only need to haul maybe once every fortnight.
Depends what you call profitable  & how much time you wish to do Pi with i guess...
Oh ye isk/hour of realtime etc this is a game after all
Originally by: Jason Farstrider
How often do you need to log in and check on your setup? How much hauling between planets do you need to do?
I log in every day/morning & set for 1 day & 45 minute cycle and collect haul once every 4 days and deposit bits at factory planets.
About 15 minutes every morning that is maybe 30 minutes on haul/collection day thats for 3 Pi toons combined... ye loads of time, hardly worth several hundred million isk per month 
Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels |
Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2011.02.18 22:40:00 -
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Depends what you want to do, how much hauling etc. I wanted to get enough o2 to run a pos for a month did 1 extractor 10 pins 14 days in a .5 sys will have over 1 month of fuel in 2 weeks for cost to export need 2.7 mill p0 will get 3.5 mill so will get about 1.3 monthes of fuel every 2 weeks for 1 large tower with only having to reset and empty once a month can do twice and make a few mill since o2 is cheap
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Jason Farstrider
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Posted - 2011.02.19 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyirari
About 15 minutes every morning that is maybe 30 minutes on haul/collection day thats for 3 Pi toons combined... ye loads of time, hardly worth several hundred million isk per month
That's what I mean, though. I'm spending maybe a quarter of that time, and I'm still making "several hundred million isk per month".
As you say, depends how much time you want to spend.
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.02.19 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kiyirari on 19/02/2011 12:31:03
Originally by: Jason Farstrider
Perhaps if you measure isk/hour of realtime, but if you measure isk/hour of played time I think you'll find that a setup with two ECUs, 4x BIF, 2x AIF, 1x Launchpad, and as many heads as you can fit (usually around 13) producing P2 on a single hisec planet on long cycles is extremely profitable - mostly because you only need to haul maybe once every fortnight.
According to a little number crunching upon your set up in high sec  that produces enoungh P0 to run 4 BIF for one day, thats only a few million isk...over the fortnighly cycle
Originally by: Jason Farstrider
Originally by: Kiyirari
About 15 minutes every morning that is maybe 30 minutes on haul/collection day thats for 3 Pi toons combined... ye loads of time, hardly worth several hundred million isk per month
That's what I mean, though. I'm spending maybe a quarter of that time, and I'm still making "several hundred million isk per month".
As you say, depends how much time you want to spend.
jog on...
Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels |
Jason Farstrider
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Posted - 2011.02.19 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyirari
According to a little number crunching upon your set up in high sec that produces enoungh P0 to run 4 BIF for one day, thats only a few million isk...over the fortnighly cycle
My particular setup is currently running slightly more than 1 AIF 24/7 per planet. Let's call it 1 exactly for the sake of easy numbers. I've no doubt I could run closer to 2 24/7 if I was paying attention and moving ECUs around to avoid depletion, but I'm not because I'm lazy.
Let's say my P2 sells for 8000 ISK.
8000 ISK * 5 P2/hour from 1 AIF * 24 hours * 30 days * 5 planets * 3 characters = about 450M ISK per month.
Total time investment = about a quarter of what you've said you're putting in.
I'm not saying what you're doing is "high effort". I'm just saying that hauling every couple of days to a factory planet is boring and (for me) not worth whatever extra ISK you're getting out of it. I'm making my plex with zero effort and plenty spare change, so I'm happy.
However, I've made arguments in the past that the current P2 prices aren't sustainable based on how trivially easy it is to fund an account with PI.
Originally by: Jason Farstrider
jog on...
*shrug*
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.19 16:10:00 -
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As I'm also dabling int the art of PI with min effort. I would say that having farming planets + a factory planet is probably the easiest way. Just have the planets close, take a trip and shoot all the containers into space and pick them up then head to the factory planet and drop them down. Easy. This way you can always choosewhat to create and you can switch between P2's without having to do anything major. Also you can do some P3 etc. easy.
With doing P2 or more on a single planet you are running into problems of logistical nature. Basically it's not so much an issue of storage, but ratio. How many times have you found a planet that good amounts of two P0 products that turn into P1 and are ready combine into P2? Basically never. Mainly you have two good resources that do nothing together. So you either have to choose a good vein and a bad one to create p2. This of course means you have more of A than B. You can alter the heads (effort...) or check the factory amount so that p0 doesn't fill the storage (effort in plannin) and still you will have leftovers of material B. Basically it's not minimal effort. It's big effort!
So get those two good resources, mine the heck out of them. Make them into p1 on the same planet. Pick them up and bring them to a factory planet. Do this on all the planets and you will have a good change on combining p2-3-4 on the factory planet with minimun effort. Of course you need to have the planets closeby (same system perhaps).
I'm keeping all my farms in lowsec (easy to pick up from space...even if it's dangerous) and then the factory planet in highsec so you don't need to worry about someone nailing you when you are dropping stuff down. all the farms are in the same system and 2 jumps away is the highsec one. This having only few jumps to a tradehub.
Effort? Minmal. Profit...well some. I also do other stuff in the area so I'm there even if I wasn't doing PI.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
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