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Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.29 18:54:00 - [1] Hello, just a message to give my displeasur about the ore thief... and more particularity, the player who create an alt uniquely to steal the others... I think it's cowardly and it's to be a bad loser to do this... I'm ok if it's a thief who use his main account in eve.. but the others who create an alt to do their bad activity, they are coward.. they don't assumÚ their midemeanour... We can't do anything against them, and they know this and take advantage of this... because nothing in the game is provided against.. just secure container, but we can't use it in 0.8 0.9 1.0 system status... I hope than dev will find a solution against this players... regards. Ker
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.01.29 18:59:00 - [2] Alts indeed annoying, but CCP doesnt care. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
slothe	Posted - 2005.01.29 19:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Keralan Hello, just a message to give my displeasur about the ore thief... and more particularity, the player who create an alt uniquely to steal the others... I think it's cowardly and it's to be a bad loser to do this... I'm ok if it's a thief who use his main account in eve.. but the others who create an alt to do their bad activity, they are coward.. they don't assumÚ their midemeanour... We can't do anything against them, and they know this and take advantage of this... because nothing in the game is provided against.. just secure container, but we can't use it in 0.8 0.9 1.0 system status... I hope than dev will find a solution against this players... regards. Ker There are numerous solutions, including mining next to a hauler who can scoop the loot for you. I doubt many people will be moved by this thread as its a carbon copy of many others saying the same thing. get over it im afraid. Or alternatively, steal ore yourself, you may find it fun ;) Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Tairos Hakonnus	Posted - 2005.01.29 19:10:00 - [4] want a hug? ---------------------------- http://spla.sh/bp/bp_files/main.htm
Clamor	Posted - 2005.01.29 19:52:00 - [5] Can you use the password feature of the secure can without anchoring it?
Buraken v2	Posted - 2005.01.29 20:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Buraken v2 on 29/01/2005 20:05:17 sure you can, but that just stuptid, because then another hauler can haul the can to a station and recycle the conatiner and get all the minerals that was in it if i'm not mistaken... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.29 20:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Keralan on 29/01/2005 20:05:44 Originally by: Clamor Can you use the password feature of the secure can without anchoring it? i think not
Jonas Bane	Posted - 2005.01.29 20:27:00 - [8] You can't password lock a secure container that isn't anchored. A little cooperation will solve this problem. Get a buddy in a hauler to sit next to you and grab the ore. It'll be faster anyway, as you can keep mining while they drop the ore off at the station. Leaves you vulernable for a whole three minutes, and a thief could only grab what you've mined in that time. They'll probably go pick on someone else less prepared.
Cassendra	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Keralan Hello, just a message to give my displeasur about the ore thief... and more particularity, the player who create an alt uniquely to steal the others... I think it's cowardly and it's to be a bad loser to do this... I'm ok if it's a thief who use his main account in eve.. but the others who create an alt to do their bad activity, they are coward.. they don't assumÚ their midemeanour... We can't do anything against them, and they know this and take advantage of this... because nothing in the game is provided against.. just secure container, but we can't use it in 0.8 0.9 1.0 system status... I hope than dev will find a solution against this players... regards. Ker No..go away..please..carebear alert! Director, Soldiers of Anarchy
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Cassendra No..go away..please..carebear alert! hmmm.... ..........

RagnarH's alt	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus want a hug? Can I get one -------------- RagnarH MASS Gotta stay good for now :P
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus want a hug? hmm someone find one's way ???
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Clamor Can you use the password feature of the secure can without anchoring it? A theif can steal an unanchored secure can.
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2005.01.29 22:01:00 - [14] My prefered idea on Ore Theft: -------------------------- Collapsible Cans Currently, all cans are not collapsible. In fact, they hold more than the space they take up. IÆd like a collapsible can. IÆm perfectly happy if does not hold more space than it takes up. In fact, IÆm happy if holds about 95% of the space it takes up, just like a normal folding box. Just as an example, IÆll start with a 100,000m3 Collapsible Can. When collapsed, the 100,000m3 Collapsible Can would hold ZERO space, and would take up about 5000m3 space, just like a folded box. When assembled or deployed in space, it would hold 100,000m3 and take up 105,000m3 space. Collapsible Cans could be assembled in your hanger for use as a storage container, just like any other can. In space there are several options. No ship could carry a 100,000m3 Collapsible Can while it is assembled, as it would be far to large. But most haulers could carry a 100,000m3 Collapsible Can while it was packages (although some smaller haulers would need cargo expanders to fit the 5000m3 space needed). A hauler with 100,000m3 Collapsible Can packaged in its hold could do several things. It could jettison the packaged can, just like any other cargo. This would result in a packaged can floating in space. Anyone with 5000m3 of free cargo space could come and take it, and it could hold nothing. Or the hauler could ôdeployö the packaged Collapsible Can. æDeployingÆ the can assembles the can next to your ship. You now have a 105,000m3 size can that can hold 100,000m3 floating next to your ship. To pick up the can, it must be empty. Once empty, you can æFoldÆ the can (if you have 5000m3 of available cargo) which will package the can and move it to your cargo hold. (Scooping the can would require 105,000m3 of free cargo spaceà.) In order to avoid can clutter, ALL collapsible cans will be æflimsyÆ while in space. After some time, just like jettison cans, they will pop. For this reason, it will not be possible to anchor collapsible cans. Folks can avoid losing their can by scooping it and re-deploying to refresh it. Secure versions of the can could be made. Just like any other secure can, these could have a password installed. In order to æFoldÆ the can, or to access its contents, the password would be needed. -------------------------- The above suggestion avoids can clutter. Collapsible Cans left in space for more than few hours will pop, just like jettison cans. The above gives VAST space for mining Ore. The above gives the option for a secure version of the Collapsible Can that cannot have its ore stolen. The assembled Collapsible Can itself could only be stolen if someone has a ship with 105,000 of free cargo space. Griefers could still screw with miners by shooting the cans (flimsy cans go down easy), but ore theft would be history. But shooting someoneÆs can is criminal, so the greifer could be shot with impunity (and in 0.5+, Concord would gank the griefer). As an option, CCP could give the Collapsible Can some extra structure, to prevent griefers from popping them too easily.
Shadar Ishaan	Posted - 2005.01.29 22:03:00 - [15] Stopping an ore thief isn't that hard ... all you have to do is fly your ship out to block them from getting to the can. Sure, you have to stop mining for a few moments, but they won't get to your can. I've been on mining ops where the miners will pin ore thieves between asteroids and their ships. This usually forces them to log off/log on again to escape the trap (especially if the asteroid has a huge gravity well). Eventually they leave you alone to find more easy prey. On the topic of ore thieves in general... Well, there's only a few types of players I see doing that. 1. The player has a problem succeeding in this game and making ISK and must resort to stealing to get anywhere 2. There is some RP issue involved (I find this to usually be used as an 'excuse' for number 1. 3. They just enjoy stealing and ****ing other people off. --------------- Item Trading Post
Ryctor	Posted - 2005.01.29 23:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Stopping an ore thief isn't that hard ... all you have to do is fly your ship out to block them from getting to the can. Sure, you have to stop mining for a few moments, but they won't get to your can. I've been on mining ops where the miners will pin ore thieves between asteroids and their ships. This usually forces them to log off/log on again to escape the trap (especially if the asteroid has a huge gravity well). Eventually they leave you alone to find more easy prey. On the topic of ore thieves in general... Well, there's only a few types of players I see doing that. 1. The player has a problem succeeding in this game and making ISK and must resort to stealing to get anywhere 2. There is some RP issue involved (I find this to usually be used as an 'excuse' for number 1. 3. They just enjoy stealing and ****ing other people off. I think I'm a number 3...
Elewin	Posted - 2005.01.30 00:54:00 - [17] Are u mining in systems with 50+ ppl in.. maybe try a more discrete location 2 mine. Ive never had any1 thief my ore mainly cause i find a nice quiet location. You can run, but you'd only die tired.
Siddy	Posted - 2005.01.30 01:44:00 - [18] you shuld be happy you run only into ore thiefs, ppls who are more greedy or have balls need to deal with ppls like me in 0.4> who dont take they ore, they will take they life/isk so zip it, and sit happy in your hig seck belt -------------------------------------------
Lygos	Posted - 2005.01.30 02:21:00 - [19] The petition is a powerful tool. Use it enough and CCP will cave to general demand in order to regain productivity. The annoying, squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease.
PLAGUE DEAMON	Posted - 2005.01.30 03:05:00 - [20] Well my solution to the problem is to mine in a non secure sector where you can kill any thieves who aproach

Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.30 09:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Elewin Are u mining in systems with 50+ ppl in.. maybe try a more discrete location 2 mine. Ive never had any1 thief my ore mainly cause i find a nice quiet location. no, in a systeme with 1 - 10 players maxi
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.30 09:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Lygos The petition is a powerful tool. Use it enough and CCP will cave to general demand in order to regain productivity. The annoying, squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease. I've used petition against this ;)
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.01.30 10:33:00 - [23] Edited by: MinorFreak on 30/01/2005 10:35:36 Edited by: MinorFreak on 30/01/2005 10:34:16 Originally by: Lygos The petition is a powerful tool. Use it enough and CCP will cave to general demand in order to regain productivity. The annoying, squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease. how optimistic. here's my take. CCP are used to whiners yelling for nerfs. If ccp ever thought there were enough complainers to constitute a nerf what the **** do you think they'd nerf first a) the ability to add things to a jetcan (hey! they took away ability to add things to a loot drop container you fools) b) the ability of 'waste removal specialists' to help clear the clutter. (hey! the official word is that jetcans are considered WASTE) See? that's simple. now, the whiners now look like a bunch of GREEDY, LAZY, UGLY fools. And if you counter with the claim that the jetcan miners will just jettison more, ever think that CCP has increased the time limit between jettisoning? (yes, they HAVE) what makes you think your whining has any ADVANTAGE? ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.30 10:43:00 - [24] Originally by: MinorFreak Edited by: MinorFreak on 30/01/2005 10:35:36 Edited by: MinorFreak on 30/01/2005 10:34:16 Originally by: Lygos The petition is a powerful tool. Use it enough and CCP will cave to general demand in order to regain productivity. The annoying, squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease. how optimistic. here's my take. CCP are used to whiners yelling for nerfs. If ccp ever thought there were enough complainers to constitute a nerf what the **** do you think they'd nerf first a) the ability to add things to a jetcan (hey! they took away ability to add things to a loot drop container you fools) b) the ability of 'waste removal specialists' to help clear the clutter. (hey! the official word is that jetcans are considered WASTE) See? that's simple. now, the whiners now look like a bunch of GREEDY, LAZY, UGLY fools. And if you counter with the claim that the jetcan miners will just jettison more, ever think that CCP has increased the time limit between jettisoning? (yes, they HAVE) what makes you think your whining has any ADVANTAGE? i think you don't understand the first post... we talk about player who use alt to steal.. and not about cans....
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.01.30 11:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Lygos The petition is a powerful tool. Use it enough and CCP will cave to general demand in order to regain productivity. The annoying, squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease. And you dont think this has anything to do with why reason legit Petitions can take so long to deal with.
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.01.30 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Keralan i think you don't understand the first post... we talk about player who use alt to steal.. and not about cans.... ah, uhm, obviously you need to rethink the reason for this thread in the first place. uhm...let's see now. a) Keralan thinks the devs will approach this issue the way HE wants them too b) Approaching it from an objective viewpoint leads to TWO possible viewpoints. BOTH of which were illustrated in my previous post. hmmmmmmm...lessie. i'll take door number b) for $200, phil. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Keralan	Posted - 2005.01.30 11:23:00 - [27] Originally by: MinorFreak Originally by: Keralan i think you don't understand the first post... we talk about player who use alt to steal.. and not about cans.... ah, uhm, obviously you need to rethink the reason for this thread in the first place. uhm...let's see now. a) Keralan thinks the devs will approach this issue the way HE wants them too b) Approaching it from an objective viewpoint leads to TWO possible viewpoints. BOTH of which were illustrated in my previous post. hmmmmmmm...lessie. i'll take door number b) for $200, phil. I just give my point of view about this practise... i ve the right to think this is a bit injust... i don't ask that dev MUST do something... I say if one day the dev find a solution, i'll be satisfied.. but it is not an official request.. I repeat, it is just my point of view.. thanks to respect it... and I respect yours


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