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Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.02.19 09:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/02/2011 09:28:59 Quote: I don't mean this rudely, but I know English isn't your first language and I think I may be misunderstanding you. When meeting and evaluating strangers, you have less trust for the one that has practical reasons to not screw you, over the one who says "I promise I won't?" If I met a stranger who insisted about how he had no reason to scam because it's against his practical reasons I would only trust him for a very, very short amount of time. What tells that right as we are speaking, he's not setting up to overcome his practical reason and then unleash his true, untied self? I mean (I don't know if I am even writing coherent English text ATM :S), what props does someone deserve if the only reason he acts honest is because he's forced to? Edit: Most often both in EvE and in RL I see people confusing the tree with its fruits. When you see Chribba posting screenshots of him mining with multiple titans, do you really believe he got up there because he was rich? He became rich because he first earned trust big enough to bring him up there. He posts those screenshots just to look "safe" even to those perspective customers who really believe than being rich is somehow the reason to not wanting to steal. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Companion Qube Originally by: Kalrand I'm feeling lazy tonight. Link? tl;dr is that someone ripped off IT for the state raven and something else. Ex IT guy tries to use darkness as a 3rd party for the sale, darkness then returns the ships to IT. Not exactly a neutral 3rd party. Wasn't that F900EX ?
flakeys The Great cornholio's	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Originally by: Companion Qube Originally by: Kalrand I'm feeling lazy tonight. Link? tl;dr is that someone ripped off IT for the state raven and something else. Ex IT guy tries to use darkness as a 3rd party for the sale, darkness then returns the ships to IT. Not exactly a neutral 3rd party. Wasn't that F900EX ? It was and as far as i know the only one of the known 3rd party boys who has ever done something like that.
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:53:00 - [34] imo there is nothing like absolute trustworthiness, different people will just scam/steal in different situations. For one person having some virtual spacebucks might be enough to make them violate your trust, another person might only start to steal from you once their kid is starving - but I know nobody from whom I could say with any certainty that he/she would put trustworthiness and honesty above everything else (I myself certainly don't). As such I prefer dealing with people who appear to be primarily motivated by money - how strong an other person's lofty ideals really are and how their relative priorities are aligned is something we might know about our loved ones (and sth we only learned by living for years on their side and observing them in a very wide range of situations) but for strangers and most friends we simply cannot know. Self-interest & greed are reliable (at least until they get into conflict with lofty ideals) and can be calculated by an observer without having to have intimate knowledge of the person he is dealing with.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/02/2011 11:57:44 imo there is nothing like absolute trustworthiness, different people will just scam/steal in different situations. For one person having some virtual spacebucks might be enough to make them violate your trust, another person might only start to steal from you once their kid is starving - but I know nobody from whom I could say with any certainty that he/she would put trustworthiness and honesty above everything else (I myself certainly don't). As such I prefer dealing with people who appear to be primarily motivated by money - how strong an other person's lofty ideals really are and how their relative priorities are aligned is something we might know about our loved ones (and sth we only learned by living for years on their side and observing them in a very wide range of situations) but for strangers and most friends we simply cannot know. Self-interest & greed are reliable (at least until they get into conflict with lofty ideals) and can be calculated by an observer without having to have intimate knowledge of the person he is dealing with. edit: I realize that this line of argumentation is not quite logically consistent - the question "at what point might other ideals overrule his greed" still remains open. But unless you try to pay people for doing something they consider immoral (or the stakes are extremely low), relying on greed is (imo) usually a pretty safe bet. Greed can be a useful indicator but it doesn't help with the 'bored now' moment when someone decides to walk away from his or her current activities or the game as a whole. If someone's only reason for staying honest is the future financial benefits that might acrue then the moment they turn their attention to other things than gaining more money investors will probably be screwed.
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:20:00 - [36] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Caldariftw123 Originally by: Companion Qube Originally by: Kalrand I'm feeling lazy tonight. Link? tl;dr is that someone ripped off IT for the state raven and something else. Ex IT guy tries to use darkness as a 3rd party for the sale, darkness then returns the ships to IT. Not exactly a neutral 3rd party. Wasn't that F900EX ? It was and as far as i know the only one of the known 3rd party boys who has ever done something like that. Even if it was Darkness, it depends on what attitude you personally prefer: a truly neutral 3rd party, who deals equally with "criminals" and honest business men. Or a 3rd party that doesn't knowingly do "shady deals", even if that means he'll needs to let a deal pass by and not earn money from that. BTW, I seem to remember that Chribba recently also declined to act as a 3rd party and returned the items & ISK already in his possession back to the owning parties, because he felt the deal wasn't right. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:21:00 - [37] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/02/2011 11:57:44 imo there is nothing like absolute trustworthiness, different people will just scam/steal in different situations. For one person having some virtual spacebucks might be enough to make them violate your trust, another person might only start to steal from you once their kid is starving - but I know nobody from whom I could say with any certainty that he/she would put trustworthiness and honesty above everything else (I myself certainly don't). As such I prefer dealing with people who appear to be primarily motivated by money - how strong an other person's lofty ideals really are and how their relative priorities are aligned is something we might know about our loved ones (and sth we only learned by living for years on their side and observing them in a very wide range of situations) but for strangers and most friends we simply cannot know. Self-interest & greed are reliable (at least until they get into conflict with lofty ideals) and can be calculated by an observer without having to have intimate knowledge of the person he is dealing with. edit: I realize that this line of argumentation is not quite logically consistent - the question "at what point might other ideals overrule his greed" still remains open. But unless you try to pay people for doing something they consider immoral (or the stakes are extremely low), relying on greed is (imo) usually a pretty safe bet. Greed can be a useful indicator but it doesn't help with the 'bored now' moment when someone decides to walk away from his or her current activities or the game as a whole. If someone's only reason for staying honest is the future financial benefits that might acrue then the moment they turn their attention to other things than gaining more money investors will probably be screwed. That same change in attitude, towards the game or the wealth, etc., can occur in someone who is trusted to be honest by virtue of character alone. I would argue a mixture of both of them should be used and even then you are at risk, I would not agree that one is more relevant than the other though objectively, merely by my own or your own opinion. My Somer example, again, I'd say that my analysis would be "he's had access to resources for ages, so is not an opportunistic scammer or it would have happened already .. likewise, he is not some pathological liar/scammer/in his blood like it is with some of the other scammers, so we're left with trying to predict the unpredictable moment when he may have a REALLY bad day/get really really bored or the day that Blink stops performing financially and he cuts his profits and runs with what he can get .. " Note how those two scenarios are almost impossible to predict, except by closely monitoring the situation and trying to see warning signs of it happening .. Whereas someone who you trust solely because they seem trustworthy, well they could turn around tomorrow and reveal an entirely different character, turn out to be a sneaky bastard thief, and there were NO warning signs of this whatsoever. At least with my 'greed is good' (Gecko is great!) approach to when a theft would be justified you have a way to MEASURE it. You yourself use this somewhat don't you RAW, when you ask people how much of public debt is held versus personal NAV ie at what point do they profit ENOUGH to scam as an opportunist. I like these vague discussions where I get to prattle on. :p
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Even if it was Darkness, it depends on what attitude you personally prefer: a truly neutral 3rd party, who deals equally with "criminals" and honest business men. Or a 3rd party that doesn't knowingly do "shady deals", even if that means he'll needs to let a deal pass by and not earn money from that. BTW, I seem to remember that Chribba recently also declined to act as a 3rd party and returned the items & ISK already in his possession back to the owning parties, because he felt the deal wasn't right. I think that's the difference that people were upset about .. Chribba declines to deal with people he feels uncomfortable about, he doesn't want his name being harmed .. F9 went into it pretending to be a neutral third party and then broke the agreement, meaning he was not neutral at all and you could then no longer trust how he would react to each deal - what if he suddenly decided that you being an evil pirate is bad and so he keeps your NYX from a sale, for example? Chribba has sense to not get involved in morality, he is neutral and just simply does not take on jobs that he will not be happy about completing later.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Caldariftw123 That same change in attitude, towards the game or the wealth, etc., can occur in someone who is trusted to be honest by virtue of character alone. I would argue a mixture of both of them should be used and even then you are at risk, I would not agree that one is more relevant than the other though objectively, merely by my own or your own opinion. I would certainly agree that both elements should factor into a risk assessment. However, I would be very very wary about investing in someone (like BB) who celebrated scamming but argued that he himself had no good reason to scam because he could do better by not scamming. The problem for me is when this position is deployed in isolation. Quote: My Somer example, again, I'd say that my analysis would be "he's had access to resources for ages, so is not an opportunistic scammer or it would have happened already .. likewise, he is not some pathological liar/scammer/in his blood like it is with some of the other scammers, so we're left with trying to predict the unpredictable moment when he may have a REALLY bad day/get really really bored or the day that Blink stops performing financially and he cuts his profits and runs with what he can get .. " Note how those two scenarios are almost impossible to predict, except by closely monitoring the situation and trying to see warning signs of it happening .. This sounds entirely sensible although I don't know enough about somer to talk directly to his case. Quote: Whereas someone who you trust solely because they seem trustworthy, well they could turn around tomorrow and reveal an entirely different character, turn out to be a sneaky bastard thief, and there were NO warning signs of this whatsoever. Agreed, but in this case it is not an either or situation (unless with someone like Bobby who says they don't have a problem with scamming and puts the moral/social aspect to one side entirely). For someone who you are monitoring both on the greed and ethics fronts, monitoring the 'greed aspect' will not give you any more indication about a change of heart/sneaky bastard scenario on the ethics front than if you were just examining that dimension. Quote: At least with my 'greed is good' (Gecko is great!) approach to when a theft would be justified you have a way to MEASURE it. You yourself use this somewhat don't you RAW, when you ask people how much of public debt is held versus personal NAV ie at what point do they profit ENOUGH to scam as an opportunist. I certainly take this approach, both in investing and in offering my own investments. After the first bond, where the issue was not really applicable, I have always tried to calibrate the amounts I asked for so as to make it clear that it would really not be worth my while to steal even if I was so inclined. I have tried to keep increases fairly small in ratio to btoh my own nav and the passing of time such that were I to scam now it would actually have been more efficient for me to have just scammed on my first bond and then repeated the procedure a dozen times in the subsequent months.
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:26:00 - [40] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Caldariftw123 That same change in attitude, towards the game or the wealth, etc., can occur in someone who is trusted to be honest by virtue of character alone. I would argue a mixture of both of them should be used and even then you are at risk, I would not agree that one is more relevant than the other though objectively, merely by my own or your own opinion. I would certainly agree that both elements should factor into a risk assessment. However, I would be very very wary about investing in someone (like BB) who celebrated scamming but argued that he himself had no good reason to scam because he could do better by not scamming. The problem for me is when this position is deployed in isolation. Quote: My Somer example, again, I'd say that my analysis would be "he's had access to resources for ages, so is not an opportunistic scammer or it would have happened already .. likewise, he is not some pathological liar/scammer/in his blood like it is with some of the other scammers, so we're left with trying to predict the unpredictable moment when he may have a REALLY bad day/get really really bored or the day that Blink stops performing financially and he cuts his profits and runs with what he can get .. " Note how those two scenarios are almost impossible to predict, except by closely monitoring the situation and trying to see warning signs of it happening .. This sounds entirely sensible although I don't know enough about somer to talk directly to his case. Quote: Whereas someone who you trust solely because they seem trustworthy, well they could turn around tomorrow and reveal an entirely different character, turn out to be a sneaky bastard thief, and there were NO warning signs of this whatsoever. Agreed, but in this case it is not an either or situation (unless with someone like Bobby who says they don't have a problem with scamming and puts the moral/social aspect to one side entirely). For someone who you are monitoring both on the greed and ethics fronts, monitoring the 'greed aspect' will not give you any more indication about a change of heart/sneaky bastard scenario on the ethics front than if you were just examining that dimension. Quote: At least with my 'greed is good' (Gecko is great!) approach to when a theft would be justified you have a way to MEASURE it. You yourself use this somewhat don't you RAW, when you ask people how much of public debt is held versus personal NAV ie at what point do they profit ENOUGH to scam as an opportunist. I certainly take this approach, both in investing and in offering my own investments. After the first bond, where the issue was not really applicable, I have always tried to calibrate the amounts I asked for so as to make it clear that it would really not be worth my while to steal even if I was so inclined. I have tried to keep increases fairly small in ratio to btoh my own nav and the passing of time such that were I to scam now it would actually have been more efficient for me to have just scammed on my first bond and then repeated the procedure a dozen times in the subsequent months. I pretty much agree with all you said there, I certainly look at BOTH aspects to make my minds up about a person. Would add that in BBs case, aside from the fact his business was failing which pushed his scammer nature into gear a bit, in his case the morality was put aside and unquestionably questionable! Anyone investing in that has put aside sense, because shoudl the opportunity arise they know for a FACT the guy will run off with the isk, no matter how much he claims "it's not worth it!" - a 1 off payment of hundreds of billions IS worth it for pretty much everyone that doesn't have a trillion isk business on the go. But yeah, agreed with pretty much all you said. Damn.

cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:11:00 - [41] An important thing to know about Chribba is that he can only do his business by being neutral and NOT dealing with criminals. He is blue with almost every alliance in the game, which gives him access to deep 0.0 to allow for titan exchanges etc. As soon as he loses his neutrality he can't do half his job. Also Chribba has provided good tools for the average player so his value and celebrity goes beyond anything available alone in the actual game. He is recognised by the player base and game developer. Probably the only TRUE trustworthy person in the whole game.
Wyke Mossari Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.28 11:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Originally by: Wyke Mossari I think Chribba is in a league of his own, the obvious big three Chribba, Cosmoray, Grendell who are essentially un-impeachable and widely recognised as such. I think you need to add Darkness to that list. I think not.
flakeys The Great cornholio's	Posted - 2011.02.28 13:42:00 - [43] Edited by: flakeys on 28/02/2011 13:42:31 Originally by: Wyke Mossari Originally by: Hel O'Ween Originally by: Wyke Mossari I think Chribba is in a league of his own, the obvious big three Chribba, Cosmoray, Grendell who are essentially un-impeachable and widely recognised as such. I think you need to add Darkness to that list. I think not. What does a loan request have to do with being one of the few trustable third parties?I for example stated in that thread that if chribba asked the same i also would not give out the loan.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.28 22:22:00 - [44] Originally by: cosmoray He is blue with almost every alliance in the game, which gives him access to deep 0.0 to allow for titan exchanges etc. As soon as he loses his neutrality he can't do half his job. Buyer sends ISK to Chribba Buyer boards titan Buyer confirms he has titan Chribba sends ISK to Seller Why in the hell would he need to fly to 0.0 space to trade a titan?
Mor Nesh Minmatar Gigaverse The Imperial Senate	Posted - 2011.03.01 00:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Breaker77 Buyer sends ISK to Chribba Buyer boards titan Buyer confirms he has titan Chribba sends ISK to Seller Why in the hell would he need to fly to 0.0 space to trade a titan? Because Titan's aren't always traded between Blues.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.01 00:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Mor Nesh Originally by: Breaker77 Buyer sends ISK to Chribba Buyer boards titan Buyer confirms he has titan Chribba sends ISK to Seller Why in the hell would he need to fly to 0.0 space to trade a titan? Because Titan's aren't always traded between Blues. And??? It still comes down to Buyer sends ISK to Chribba Buyer boards titan Buyer confirms he has titan Chribba sends ISK to Seller I'm pretty willing to bet that Chribba does not physically sit in many, if any, of the supercaps he brokers.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.03.01 01:22:00 - [47] Edited by: Raid''En on 01/03/2011 01:25:50 Originally by: Breaker77 Buyer boards titan Buyer confirms he has titan Originally by: Breaker77 I'm pretty willing to bet that Chribba does not physically sit in many, if any, of the supercaps he brokers. you know as 3rd party you quickly see an issue while not being at the trade place ; what to do if someone say that he didn't received it ? won't happen often ? yeah, but if it happen only once you're on big **. how can you prove which one is lying without visual ? you can secure the money without moving, but not secure the change of player at board of ship without seeing it. so pretty sure he moves. but no need to go to nullsec, i think these things are done on low ---------------- Wormhole Trading **
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.01 01:28:00 - [48] Good points.
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.01 02:05:00 - [49] hey, i remember this thread :-P anyway, i'v got a new question, less about 3rd parties and more about the trust debate that started. if it were possible to write an equation for "trust" or rather, the likelihood any given individual is to pay back a given debt, what are some variables you would include? why? how could they be calculated? came up in conversation with someone else... i'v tried a few times myself but i'd like to see what u guys come up with! thanks again all! "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.03.01 02:22:00 - [50] Edited by: Tutskii on 01/03/2011 02:26:12 Chribba does go to Null, and at some point, he even had SOV. it was shortlived, however. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1400698/page/1

Raid'En	Posted - 2011.03.01 08:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Tutskii Edited by: Tutskii on 01/03/2011 02:26:12 Chribba does go to Null, and at some point, he even had SOV. it was shortlived, however. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1400698/page/1 he still have sov, you missed lots of things ;) http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Otherworld_Empire a market you missed MD people :p (also pretty useful for jump clones as anyone can dock) ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Aerin Jae Conclave Amalgamated	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:04:00 - [52] I wish I could BECOME a reputable 3rd party holder, but I have the unfortunate problem of being 'new' and am therefore deemed untrustworthy from the get-go. Maybe in a year or two, eh?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Aerin Jae I wish I could BECOME a reputable 3rd party holder, but I have the unfortunate problem of being 'new' and am therefore deemed untrustworthy from the get-go. Maybe in a year or two, eh? It's a supply and demand issue. Chribba/darkness/grendell have been active for years. Here on MD, the recent batch of 3rd party holder came about when the "trusted MD Elite" who were all tied to Ebank and a few other disasters lost face in the eyes of the public. Vote KALRAND for CSM!
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Raid''En on 01/03/2011 15:38:25 Edited by: Raid''En on 01/03/2011 15:37:43 Originally by: Aerin Jae I wish I could BECOME a reputable 3rd party holder, but I have the unfortunate problem of being 'new' and am therefore deemed untrustworthy from the get-go. Maybe in a year or two, eh? you don't need that much time, i tried my chance 7-8 months ago, on a market i didn't know at all at the begining, and even if i'm not very known outside my market, my comptetitors are really far away from me on it ;) if you are willing to specialize it can workss ; search your niche, do it well and it's a win ;) but be sure the begining will be horrible :P (well after i dunno if one day i will be able to go to next level and handle SC however :P) ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Aerin Jae Conclave Amalgamated	Posted - 2011.03.01 16:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Aerin Jae I wish I could BECOME a reputable 3rd party holder, but I have the unfortunate problem of being 'new' and am therefore deemed untrustworthy from the get-go. Maybe in a year or two, eh? It's a supply and demand issue. Chribba/darkness/grendell have been active for years. Here on MD, the recent batch of 3rd party holder came about when the "trusted MD Elite" who were all tied to Ebank and a few other disasters lost face in the eyes of the public. Roger that. I read up on EBank after hearing a few tidbits here and there. It's totally understandable that people don't want to trust new faces fresh off the proverbial boat, especially in the wake of such prior scams/fiascoes. I just would love being given a chance here and there until I built up my reputation, even if it was all dealing with small-time trades. I'd rather be well-regarded by a handful of customers than be a total unknown. What's a girl gotta do to get a gig? Ah well. Back to my arms sales...
Wyke Mossari Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:09:00 - [56] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Wyke Mossari Originally by: Hel O'Ween Originally by: Wyke Mossari I think Chribba is in a league of his own, the obvious big three Chribba, Cosmoray, Grendell who are essentially un-impeachable and widely recognised as such. I think you need to add Darkness to that list. I think not. What does a loan request have to do with being one of the few trustable third parties?I for example stated in that thread that if chribba asked the same i also would not give out the loan. That wasn't my point. I stated my opinion that certain individuals were "un-impeachable and widely recognised as such". Anybody could choose to consider my statements within their network of trust based on their own evaluation of my trustworthiness and judgement. Hel O'Ween made the statement "I think you (meaning me) need to add Darkness to that list" In a trust network that statement only holds value if I trust "Hel O'Ween", they and others know that. However in my trust network "Hel O'Ween" is an unknown variable. The other thread indicated two things. Firstly, that there was little evidence of such widespread recognition, indeed many of the posts were sceptical; and secondly others whom I had already stated I did considered trust worthy were amongst the sceptics. A absence of trust does not imply a presumption of dishonesty, it is an unknown variable.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:21:00 - [57] Edited by: SencneS on 01/03/2011 17:23:27 Originally by: Raid'En You know as 3rd party you quickly see an issue while not being at the trade place ; what to do if someone say that he didn't received it ? won't happen often ? yeah, but if it happen only once you're on big ****. how can you prove which one is lying without visual ? you can secure the money without moving, but not secure the change of player at board of ship without seeing it. so pretty sure he moves. but no need to go to nullsec, i think these things are done on low I'm pretty sure he does go to see the trade take place. But I have to ask, why would the "buyer" say "I have the Titan" when he doesn't? I think it's a pretty obvious case.. Seller to Chribba - "He is now sitting in the Titan." Chribba to Buyer - "The seller claims you are in the Titan, is this correct?" Buyer to Chribba - "I have the Titan!" Chribba to Seller - "Just to confirm, you have the Titan and it's OK to Send the seller the ISK?" Buyer to Chribba - "Yep" Chribba to Buyer - "Ok, sending ISK." Chribba to Seller - "Confirmed, ISK incoming." Seller to Chribba - "Sweet thanks again oh god of the Veldspar!!" Then buyer turns around and says "NO I DON'T HAVE IT!! STOP! STOP!!" the buyer is clearly a moron and deserves to have lost all that ISK. Amarr for Life
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:21:00 - [58] Quote: I just would love being given a chance here and there until I built up my reputation, even if it was all dealing with small-time trades You can't build a reputation. Do useful or helpful things till people start trusting you, then try your go at the 3rd party thing. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You can't build a reputation. Do useful or helpful things till people start trusting you, then try your go at the 3rd party thing. Sorry, I feel like jabbing you here :) Isn't doing useful and helpful things, building a reputation? Amarr for Life
Wyke Mossari Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 01/03/2011 17:33:28 Originally by: Rule18 if it were possible to write an equation for "trust" or rather, the likelihood any given individual is to pay back a given debt, what are some variables you would include? why? how could they be calculated? Models for the trust propagation is a pretty advanced sub-field of cryptography, there is probably an interesting discussion in there. The basic equation is : belief +/- disbelief +/- uncertainty = 1 -- edit -- Linkified above and you might find this interesting http://persons.unik.no/josang/papers/Jos1999-NDSS.pdf



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