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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.02.21 03:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Qolde
It would change the game for the better if CCP would remove mining/ratting/trade bots, macros, and RMT sweatshops. Supercap proliferation would be reversed. T1 industry would be given a breath of life. It would give the average real player much more buying power, hence more fun, therefore strengthening the real economy. Right now, the bots are like walmart, sucking the life out of honest producers, by unfairly lowering the cost of common goods, and devaluing the honest laborer's time, preventing him from ever having the opportunity to get to the top. It's wage slavery, in a video game. The root cause of the problem is that a lot of the isk/good producing gameplay is simple enough to be macroed.
I'd be totally cool with captchas if they were properly implemented to interfere as little as possible with gameplay. But, captchas are only a stopgap measure, until mining is as engaging as PVP, and belt rats weren't so simple minded. I know they're working on that last one as evidenced by sleepers and the new sansha's.
I understand how a lot of people who are not botters like mining to be an afk activity. This I can understand in hisec. Maybe there should only be trit in highsec. This would actually boost the game in more ways than one. The amount of trit that would be mined would be astronomical, dropping the price pretty low, causing the other minerals to be in such demand, that lowsec residents(mostly pirates) who need new ships might actually invite miners into their corporation. The draw would be too high to ignore. The risk of going to lowsec/null might actually be worth the reward. It would only be worth it for pirates to kill enemy miners.
As for ratting bots, obviously make the 0.0 rats smarter, so that ratting requires some kind of attention. It doesn't have to be hard, just require attention. And change their behavior every couple of weeks, so that it breaks the macros as often as possible. Maybe even require captchas for the battleships to actually die.(lol)
Trade bots would be simple to fix. Don't know why they haven't put captchas on accounts that are spamming the market server 23/7 for prices.
In fact any account that has constant activity for 20 hours a day for a week should be nerfed in some way. In some other MMO i played, they'd nerf spawns if you stayed in the same zone for as little as 1 hour. You'd have to leave and come back. I'm sure some tactic like this can be implemented in eve. But considering how this game is totally different, it may be tough to implement.
Have incursions drop on Constellations that have the most NPC kills? Mission runners would probably hate it, but lol, we deserve it for being so close to bots. Botters in 0.0 would have a big huge flag saying "here we are". That would be a nice way to choose where to roam.
Name some bad side effects to the stuff I said. I need to hear feedback.
That was a very interesting read with a lot of good points. I do really like the idea of changing npc behaviour to break macro code sequences. I mean the end result of this idea is to have some kind of npc AI system, which would require a very high tech piece of macro coding to get around. That or a behavioural code sequence for npcs based on random number generation instead of AI logic pathways, even harder to get around 
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.21 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix
I believe that the PLEXs were seeded to remove isk from the market in order to avoid market flux, however i am not 100% on this so please don't quote me on that.
'sokay. I believe in the Tooth Fairy. And I quoted you, so what now? Battleships at dawn?
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.02.21 03:25:00 -
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Xylengra
You present yourself in a manner that doesn't appear to be that of someone who engages in botting. If you did, this is the response i would expect.
"JOE PHOENIX IS FAKE AND GAY! GO CRY SOME MORE YOU FKN NOOB!".
Hence, pleasantly surprised 
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.21 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Qolde
23/7
Monitoring account usage sounds sensible. An account consistently (Would need to be a shifting window of activity) remains active that accounts' reward from any activity gets reduced by some matrix:
0-2 hours: Normal
2-4 hours: 50% of Normal
4-8 hours: 50% of 2-4 hours
8+ hours: 0%
The windows would need to be large enough that you don't catch normal players when go on a holiday and splurge on a week long pizza and EVE session but also not so predictable that bots can code around it by lagging for a time. They will also need to ensure the ISK reward for such an account cannot exceed the value of a PLEX.
That would work for mining, but for ratting they would need to reduce the spawn rates and for trade bots may need to increase the tax or broker fees until it sits at 100%
The danger with any such solution is of course that real players could be affected. That would be undesirable.
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Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
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Posted - 2011.02.21 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Dread
EVE needs a captcha.
Sir, that's brilliant! Do them at random times once an hour or for people who log too many hours a day to seem human....
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.21 05:22:00 -
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The best captcha is proper game design, requiring high level strategic planning instead of mechanical micromanagement. Bot suck horribadly at the former and are exceptionally good at the latter.
However, looking at the quality of game design coming from CCP since apocrypha...yeah. Not gonna happen.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.02.21 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten
Originally by: Mighty Dread
EVE needs a captcha.
Sir, that's brilliant! Do them at random times once an hour or for people who log too many hours a day to seem human....
*shudders* I already can't stand those mandatory 'The server is shutting down in 1hr.. 15min.. 5min' windows.
And now you want obligatory captchas for station spinning? 
Bot's are like r&d agents for datacores, PI installations or moon-goo.
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Dani Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.02.21 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dani Nardieu on 21/02/2011 07:56:10
People are acting as if highsec mining bots are the big problem but it's the 0.0 rating ones that create trillions of extra isk from bounties.
That affects the whole economy and the balance of power in a big way not just T1 production in empire.
Edit:
And "fixing" mining is as simple as placing some minerals in gravimetrics only. No drops, no belts no nothing.
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2011.02.21 09:41:00 -
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Locked as there is already a thread that exists on this topic.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.21 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 21/02/2011 09:43:32
weird... locked but not
are they gonna start censoring the bot topic again after their weekend break?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.02.21 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP StevieSG
Locked as there is already a thread that exists on this topic.
Thehehehe 
Btw, Stevie, would you put a blue bar on the thread in the signature pretty please (with sugar on top)?
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.21 09:51:00 -
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can we maybe be allowed to have a new thread to talk about the botting situation you guys are ignoring? Most people are unhappy with the OP of that one
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