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Organic Peanut Butter Caldari Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.02.21 09:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Organic Peanut Butter on 21/02/2011 09:54:49 So you may remember me from this leaving eve thread, where I broke down and said I was going to leave because CCP didnÆt go down on me. Anyway the issues are still here HOWEVER I would like to point out why I didnÆt quit, before I do that I would like to point out why I dislike SOME areas of the game. 1. supercarriers ALONE are produced at a 450+ a month rate, this rate increases by approx. 30 -> 50 each month (depending on conflict which there wasnÆt much of in 2010), this has made dreads gayer and supercaps fill a role for well pretty much everything. 2. Timers allow blobs to form, dead alliances to still live and when combat does happen it involves 1000+ people shooting a structure zzz 3. Despite my constant anti-nc / anti-drf smack I truly donÆt blame them for how they play, if I was in charge of a coalition I would try to get as many worthless meatshields and nap as many people too 4. Bots are free to do whatever they want, months of whining has got CCP to give a 3 day ban to bots which is a start I guess, but if CCP could just have a look at sisi for a sec and ask themselves ônow why is it the same alliance members doing the same 6000+ NPCing a day in pure blind EVERY TIME theres a mirrorö. There is absolute NO reason for the SAME people to be in a system NPCing for hours every sisi mirror AT THE SAME TIME, unless ofc they are testing X-XXX which has already been confirmed that it was created by a guy in Mostly Harmless anyway. 5. ôCCP wont be looking at 0.0, FW or lowsec in 2011ö û /sigh, lucky for you I actually like what I saw in the recent blog about incarna and openly welcome it. Ok so now for the reasons why im staying, a few month ago I decided I was going to create a sov like map that showed NPC kill influence but it turns out dotlan already has this feature and here is an outline of all the links to see this Anyway now that 0.0 is 100% dead for me I decided to look into other areas of the game and search for a gameplay that has the following. 1. Where supercaps are useless / arent used 2. Where number warfare has limitations 3. Theres a healthy risk / reward 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged 5. Where bombs and bubbles can still be used Then I remembered how WHs had all of these, well thats great and im sure the transition will go well too, been talking to some people in WHs and it truly is the place to be. Since I no longer had any interest in 0.0 I somewhat got bored of CAOD and moved on to other forums, like EVE Tech Labs for example, sadly with no knowledge in programming / scripting everything was new but I have been determined to learn as much as I can in all things 'technical'. After a few weeks of researching I finally got into the basics of all things ætechnicalÆ, it has opened new doors in EVE and a new kind of gameplay, ofc I get excited by learning anything new anyway and was just happy in finally using OneNote for something other than my diary. TLDR: Theres alot of things in EVE that sucks, is broken and probably will never get fixed HOWEVER theres alot of things that are great and even though things are badly advertised there really is something fun for everyone. Special thanks to Chribba, Wollari, evesco team for advice etc etc Yours Truly ~~Sansha Kuvakei~~ Not Bismaru
Doshia	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:00:00 - [2] 2. Where number warfare has limitations 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged
Organic Peanut Butter Caldari Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Doshia 2. Where number warfare has limitations 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged Ok theres group work and then theres blobbing, if you dont know the difference then you probably convinced that you are best friends with 90,000 fat guys
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter Originally by: Doshia 2. Where number warfare has limitations 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged Ok theres group work and then theres blobbing, if you dont know the difference then you probably convinced that you are best friends with 90,000 fat guys AS someone who hunts for things solo deep in enemy space I can safely say that there is no difference between groups and blobs. They all outnumber me.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:18:00 - [5] Hold the presses, Organic Peanut Butter isn't leaving Eve!!11!!1ONE
Leaving Eve Send Your Stuff To Me	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Tres Farmer Hold the presses, Organic Peanut Butter isn't leaving Eve!!11!!1ONE If he's not me, then who am I?
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter said I was going to leave because CCP didnÆt go down on me. roflmao, lol lol
Organic Peanut Butter Caldari Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.02.21 10:21:00 - [8] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter Originally by: Doshia 2. Where number warfare has limitations 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged Ok theres group work and then theres blobbing, if you dont know the difference then you probably convinced that you are best friends with 90,000 fat guys AS someone who hunts for things solo deep in enemy space I can safely say that there is no difference between groups and blobs. They all outnumber me. Ok then, since we are playing that game ;) Firstly I said "Where number warfare has limitations", note limitation, like mass for example, no local etc SECONDLY theres a balance, working with statistics we can determine what a blob is. FOR EXAMPLE 2 people doesnt equal a blob because getting a 2 man fleet is easy But say I was to have a 2000 man fleet everytime, it isnt easy to achieve these numbers for most people. This is why huge mega coalitions can only be killed by other huge mega coalitions and no one else, hence number warfare. EVERYONE will be outnumbered one way or the other but when the numbers reach a point where there is no way to compete it is considered blobbing. So if you got blobbed by 3000 people everytime you went on a roam, undocked or did anything, you would eventually either give up or join an alliance who is equally fat. 20 man fleets isnt considered a blob because statistically it doesnt require alot to gain that many players THINK OF THE NUMBERS!!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.21 18:41:00 - [9] To be honest, from what I have seen on a weekly basis on leaving Eve, nobody can ever leave the game unless ... ... unless ... they ragequit and destroy their toon. That'll be perma-quit. Not many have the balls to do that. Maybe everyone in Eve is a carebear after all. --------- Sent from my BlackBerry.
Marchocias Snatch Victory	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:08:00 - [10] Can I have your stuff if and when you do? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Desya Dak'ann Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire To be honest, from what I have seen on a weekly basis on leaving Eve, nobody can ever leave the game unless ... ... unless ... they ragequit and destroy their toon. That'll be perma-quit. Not many have the balls to do that. Maybe everyone in Eve is a carebear after all. talkin' about Kelmac now right? THIS IS NOW A WIDOT FAILTHREAD!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:45:00 - [12] What or who is kelmac? --------- Sent from my BlackBerry.
5p4c3 Truck3r	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:49:00 - [13] hey kalle, hows the forum ban going?
FeralShadow RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.21 20:59:00 - [14] been playing since 2005. Bored as hell a lot of times, but you know every so often I think of another facet of Eve that I haven't yet tried out. Then the game becomes very fun again for many months until that, too, wears off. Eve as i've found it is just as fun as you make it. OP has the right mindset, you dont quit, you just gotta shake it up and find something completely different to do. For example, I probably did something that only a handful of people have ACTUALLY done. For quite some time I produced and ran combat boosters in empire space, dodging faction police and pirate camps trying to sell orders to individuals and alliances. It was exciting, it was shady, not many people have done it, and it was very lucrative. Moral of the story: Open your mind to the possibilities, and you'll always find something new to do in Eve. Unlike WoW. -Feral _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter said I was going to leave because CCP didnÆt go down on me. roflmao, lol lol lol still
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Swynet on 21/02/2011 21:37:52 WH's are the answer to you I think. The only little thing that could be changed to make WH's become something less boring after a few months is Random Concorde/Faction Agents spawn to break the endless circle of: scan/sleepers/PI/mining/moon harvesting/clouds build stuff ----> ho! ho! ho! we've got company grab you'r guns. And add some random ice blocks spawn. But yeah you'll get fun. WH's are just lacking of something impredictable to reflect every shining side of EVE but living there can be realy awesome. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Brahan Seer Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2011.02.21 22:24:00 - [17] This is a very serious and important internet spaceships topic and everyone should read.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 01:45:00 - [18] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 01:45:20 Quote: Ok then, since we are playing that game ;) Firstly I said "Where number warfare has limitations", note limitation, like mass for example, no local etc SECONDLY theres a balance, working with statistics we can determine what a blob is. FOR EXAMPLE 2 people doesnt equal a blob because getting a 2 man fleet is easy But say I was to have a 2000 man fleet everytime, it isnt easy to achieve these numbers for most people. This is why huge mega coalitions can only be killed by other huge mega coalitions and no one else, hence number warfare. EVERYONE will be outnumbered one way or the other but when the numbers reach a point where there is no way to compete it is considered blobbing. So if you got blobbed by 3000 people everytime you went on a roam, undocked or did anything, you would eventually either give up or join an alliance who is equally fat. 20 man fleets isnt considered a blob because statistically it doesnt require alot to gain that many players THINK OF THE NUMBERS!! I left the big coalitions because of that and turned against them and guess what, i have perfect fun messing with gangs, blobs and traps. A blob isnt considered a gang of more than 20 or something else, a blob lies in the eye of the beholder. I think not everyone can put up 20 men that easy. If you get blobbed everytime you do something you are doing it wrong, seriously. So, in my opinion every gang can be countered and acording to you, there are no blobs in eve then. Just stop whining about blobs and learn to play, or leave to another 0.0 (WH) and just be silent. Your view is so onesided. Ever thought of griefplay, guerilla warfare or something else? You can compete with way bigger alliances, you just have to be smart and who says that you need to claim space to make profits in zerospace? Quote: AS someone who hunts for things solo deep in enemy space I can safely say that there is no difference between groups and blobs. They all outnumber me. QFT
Eian	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter Edited by: Organic Peanut Butter on 21/02/2011 09:54:49 So you may remember me from this leaving eve thread, where I broke down and said I was going to leave because CCP didnÆt go down on me. Anyway the issues are still here HOWEVER I would like to point out why I didnÆt quit, before I do that I would like to point out why I dislike SOME areas of the game. 1. supercarriers ALONE are produced at a 450+ a month rate, this rate increases by approx. 30 -> 50 each month (depending on conflict which there wasnÆt much of in 2010), this has made dreads gayer and supercaps fill a role for well pretty much everything. 2. Timers allow blobs to form, dead alliances to still live and when combat does happen it involves 1000+ people shooting a structure zzz 3. Despite my constant anti-nc / anti-drf smack I truly donÆt blame them for how they play, if I was in charge of a coalition I would try to get as many worthless meatshields and nap as many people too 4. Bots are free to do whatever they want, months of whining has got CCP to give a 3 day ban to bots which is a start I guess, but if CCP could just have a look at sisi for a sec and ask themselves ônow why is it the same alliance members doing the same 6000+ NPCing a day in pure blind EVERY TIME theres a mirrorö. There is absolute NO reason for the SAME people to be in a system NPCing for hours every sisi mirror AT THE SAME TIME, unless ofc they are testing X-XXX which has already been confirmed that it was created by a guy in Mostly Harmless anyway. 5. ôCCP wont be looking at 0.0, FW or lowsec in 2011ö û /sigh, lucky for you I actually like what I saw in the recent blog about incarna and openly welcome it. Ok so now for the reasons why im staying, a few month ago I decided I was going to create a sov like map that showed NPC kill influence but it turns out dotlan already has this feature and here is an outline of all the links to see this Anyway now that 0.0 is 100% dead for me I decided to look into other areas of the game and search for a gameplay that has the following. 1. Where supercaps are useless / arent used 2. Where number warfare has limitations 3. Theres a healthy risk / reward 4. Where activity and group work is encouraged 5. Where bombs and bubbles can still be used Then I remembered how WHs had all of these, well thats great and im sure the transition will go well too, been talking to some people in WHs and it truly is the place to be. Since I no longer had any interest in 0.0 I somewhat got bored of CAOD and moved on to other forums, like EVE Tech Labs for example, sadly with no knowledge in programming / scripting everything was new but I have been determined to learn as much as I can in all things 'technical'. After a few weeks of researching I finally got into the basics of all things ætechnicalÆ, it has opened new doors in EVE and a new kind of gameplay, ofc I get excited by learning anything new anyway and was just happy in finally using OneNote for something other than my diary. TLDR: Theres alot of things in EVE that sucks, is broken and probably will never get fixed HOWEVER theres alot of things that are great and even though things are badly advertised there really is something fun for everyone. Special thanks to Chribba, Wollari, evesco team for advice etc etc Yours Truly ~~Sansha Kuvakei~~ Not Bismaru Can you just go ahead and leave like you said? I think most of us would enjoy this ending better.
Ahjeebus	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter This is why huge mega coalitions can only be killed by other huge mega coalitions and no one else, hence number warfare. Or one guy at the top ragequits/switches sides and takes the whole thing down with him.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.22 09:22:00 - [21] Reported for evading forum ban. You're making it clear you're Kalle by linking a thread whose OP is Kalle and confirming it's yours.
Don Kartel	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Organic Peanut Butter Edited by: Organic Peanut Butter on 21/02/2011 09:54:49 4. Bots are free to do whatever they want, months of whining has got CCP to give a 3 day ban to bots which is a start I guess, but if CCP could just have a look at sisi for a sec and ask themselves ônow why is it the same alliance members doing the same 6000+ NPCing a day in pure blind EVERY TIME theres a mirrorö. There is absolute NO reason for the SAME people to be in a system NPCing for hours every sisi mirror AT THE SAME TIME, unless ofc they are testing X-XXX which has already been confirmed that it was created by a guy in Mostly Harmless anyway. If it has been proven that it was someone from Mostly Harmless that developed H-Bot who is it out of interest ? Personally I was told It was someone from MM. Either way i know most of the northern alliances will kick members + their corp if they are found using bots. However most of the southern alliances recruit people who want to use bots. In actual fact of all the bot corp recruitment threads i have seen about 90% say the NPC's are angel and more increasingly there is corps recruiting to bot in Sansha space... funny considering the alliances in those area's. WRENT seem to be the worse at the moment from what i have seen. Then you have the DRF regions which are filled with salvaging bots that harvest alloys constantly all day. This probably explains the sudden explosion of Super carrier ownership in the southern and DRF alliances. Also anyone noticed inflation in the game recently ? This has been caused by people having more isk due to the increase in botters. H-bot has increased its membership on its forums by over 30% in the last 2 months. Also keep in mind that each one of those logins on H-bot forums usually equates to 2-3 H-bot accounts. 3 day ban ? personally i think CCP should make that atleast 30 days if not a perma ban.

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