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Grimhowl
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Posted - 2011.02.25 16:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: flakeys
/me hands out the popcorn again ...
The in game board for EVE: Online, the popular Internet space ship game, needs a :popcorn: emote. I promise to get this implemented if you vote for me for CSM.
Sorry, my Goonvote slot has been filled by Kalrand already. You could get him to add that to his platform, though, and I'll support him stealing it from you.
*eats KalPopcorn* Wait... my investment! *tries to spit it back up*
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Grimhowl on 25/02/2011 18:02:40
Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
:words:
Pick a side of the fence and stick with it because you are digging yourself an ever deeper hole by trying to play both sides.
I don't believe VV is trying to imply that one is against EULA and the other isn't. In terms of risk, giving access to potentially a great many unknown people, someone out there may be tempted to read through mails and post them on forums. This is especially true if they read this thread and decide to do it just to be a jerk. Although I disagree with why you are at odds with VV's arguement, I agree that it wouldn't be against the EULA for the poster of API; the person who actually posted the mails on the forum would be the one in breach rather than the party that gave them access to those mails.
If, however, the API poster in question gave explicit instructions in locating a particular mail that said person wants the forum to pay specific attention to this may be a breach due to the intent to circumvent current rules by being a trixy little troll.
Most importantly, the reason posting such mails and chatlogs is, as I am being led to believe, against the rules would likely be to have in place a mechanism to punish someone for harassment or what have you by posting said logs and/or falsifying them. This is much the same as those weird laws states have like not allowing the consumption of icecream in the middle of the road. In this way, it can be punished or ignored as is made necessary by ambiguous situations that are left up to the discretion of a CCP rep. This is relevant because it means that said "breach" would, by my logic, be likely to be ignored. So, this whole line of conversation is pointless.
Signed,
Unnecessarily Verbose Poster Due to Boredom at Work.
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
Clearly she believes it's against the EULA for anyone to send their full API to an 'uknown' third party unless that third party happens to be her.
I disagree; the way VV's arguement read to me it was the potential exposure of chatlog screenshots containing private conversation of an undisclosed third party that was the *possible* breach. </readingcomprehension>
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Grimhowl on 25/02/2011 19:02:10
Originally by: Two Shots
You are trying to argue that the legal definition of privacy in the real world applies to the goings-on in a game where espionage is a valid part of game mechanic.
Nah, cuz otherwise VV'd be saying it was against the rules to post on another site. The statement is just that doing that shiz in this specific forum is a problem. It's just a further unwanted side-effect that it can still be found even after removal from forums then put on third party site.
On a separate point, in the context of the forums, the real world definition of privacy is very relevant. Less so if constrained to in-game methods of communication. We are all sort of dancing in a grey area, though.
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Doesn't this mean that the original Evemail/chatlog was a EULA violation by disclosing personal/private info in-game?
I think that was the forum EULA not the one for the game you quoted. The Evemail was done outside the forum and so it doesn't apply.
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: I AM SPARTACUS
Internet spaceship lawyers! In spaaaaaaaace!
I AM EULACUS!
Can I be your sidekick?
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
I don't think you get it. VV thinks all evemails are private and subject to EU privacy laws so they cannot be made public, with of course one exception (all rules have an exception), and that's when he's doing it.
Also the fact that he's quoting the EULA to support his argument in one post and claiming the EULA is worthless anyway a couple of posts later is no way shape or form contradictory; after all, VV could never contradict himself.
This is simply attacking a straw man. As stated earlier there is one very simple core reason why it could be seen as breach. Nothing else matters. Making public on the forum indirectly or otherwise a screenshot of private chatlogs is the central point. If you can refute that there is a history of CCP removing posts containing similar effects then you have an arguement against his case. Further, this supposition was noted as being a possibility and not certain fact. the initial statement contained within it cautions that he wasn't sure if it was actually against the EULA;. The implication, in context, is that it's frowned upon regardless of the extent to which it is discouraged and in what terms.
Ultimately, I don't think it's actually a problem to post one's own Full API. I freely admit I'm having fun playing at devil's advocate and this is very entertaining. Thanks for a good debate, for once, internets. :D
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Grimhowl
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
:words:
Erm... no. While it might be true that an individual person collectively make up the public when gather with other individual peoples, this does not make them a "public" third party when contacted privately.
I understand that you're really excited to play the "gotchya!" card on VV, but I don't see where VV has personally posted private information even through use of his own right to plaster his full API anywhere and everywhere or any other indirect obfuscated method. Even where concerns the alleged unmasking of the person in evemails in question I really don't see how anyone would have known it was german-name who talked with VV except those that already had access to VV *or* Cosmoray's private evemail inbox.
I can't help but wonder at such conviction to slander VV baselessly unless you have some hidden stake in this somewhere. I find your repetitious accusations and sliding around of words distasteful. Also, you haven't acknowledged my challenge to refute the core arguement that started all of this. You don't have to, of course, just noting that you haven't.
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