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MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:43:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line. Sure they are, being the ONLY ships you lose your skillpoints for being killed in. Nerf them (or shall I say "specialize"?) and you will kill wormholes. Thank you for such a wonderfull idea! ALL HAIL NULLSEC DRAKE BLOBS!
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MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.13 21:19:00 -
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Aaron Greil wrote:
I heard people crying about ruining wormholes by nerfing the tengu. You do realize that WH sites were supposed to be run in groups? With Logi support?
And why do you think everyone here flies ST-tengee? That's crap for several reasons, thus we prefer to have dedicated logis.
The most fearsome is "100AB" variant, I think. Well, I like it. It is one of the very few things left in EVE that gives you the ability to fight overwhelming forces with your skill and to survive. And have 50+% ISK efficiency, if you are good with it.
And still it dies, and when it dies, it goes like 2-3 bil down the toilet.
I don't like the "2 will always beat 1" kind of game. |
MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.13 22:47:00 -
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It is usually used for solo out of WH, for better results.
I don't think that the ability to fight several ships with the ability to flee should be nerfed taking into consideration the cost of the ship in comparison with the cost of the enemy fleet. If my ship+pod costs more then all their ships together - I should be at least able to fight them, not just die. And please note that rapier/loki in the fleet makes 100AB tengu dead tengu easily.
With most of the other ships (non-frigs) in the current mechanic your skill simply does not matter. |
MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.13 22:55:00 -
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double, remove plz |
MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:48:00 -
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I meant "or". Repier takes you from higher distance, but you can kill it before it is too late. If loki webs you - you are dead. So it is fine.Even nano 2-web drake can tackle you if you are not careful.
Not that "specific" composition. A group of flies can take 100AB out too. Simply cos they are many.
Tengu is used more then other T3 mostly cos a great lot of people trained for drake first. It is not that superior to others in non-PVE. In PVE - yes, that is GOOD, as other missile-ships. Should CCP nerf Raven for being better PVE farmer then Megathron?
I prefer Loki as a prober, due to the ability to kill some frig faster then Tengu would do it. BTW Loki can be 100AB too, as well as Legion. Proteus would **** tangu in a close combat.
Changes may be needed, but not to the state, that makes T3 minuses (price, skill lose) go over there pluses. |
MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.19 10:16:00 -
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Seems like I've got it why we see T3 from the different perspective, then CCP.
CCP's point (as I get it):
T1 - simple ships
T2 - specialized ships better in their task then anyone else
T3 - generalized ships with many tasks, but shouldn't do those better then T2
According to CCP the T3 's task of being "all around" ship is met by giving them the ability to change ship bonuses by changing subsystems, thus creating different kind of ship. And for this plus T3 cost more and we lose our skills from time to time. Actually this is all nice, in theory. But:
1. Rigs. You won't change rigs each time you need to change subsystems, won't you? Thus it limits the ship re-assembly.
2. Wormholes. We here often wonder, if CCP remember about us when changing something? T3 are mainly used in wormholes but we cannot change subsystems here at all! Thus we don't have any advantage of the modular ship system (only problems, cos we cannot assemble them here), My alone Tengu pilot in WH has like 5-6 different tengus at POS! As it goes, we use T3 for them being better in tasks mainly, not for generalization. Thus, if T3 are beaten to the level were their only plus would be subsystems change - how the hell will need them in wormholes?
By the way, with HML nerfed to the ground, and if Tengu is nerfed even further... RIP Tengu at all.
"tech3 ships being balanced for their cost and skill requirements. This should not be a factor for balancing most EVE vessels" - ouch, then all these things don't fit into balancing? How nice! So it is OK to have worse ship two times the price if a better one? Theoretically, |
MisterArch
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Posted - 2012.09.20 08:42:00 -
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Maybe CCP should check out the statistics: how many T3s are actually replacing sybsystems? To ny knowledge - only those plexing in low/null do. |
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