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Helen Ripley
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Posted - 2003.06.30 23:35:00 -
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Ok, I know this question has probably been asked a thousand times and I know that the answer is might be buried SOMEWHERE deep within the dozens and dozens of m0o post, but can someone please explain something to me? How the heck is m0o is financing their operations so easily?
I mean, everytime I look at the forum there's some post about how some corp fought m0o and destroyed some m0o cruisers and destroyed a m0o battleship or two. But if this is true, how does m0o replace these losses so easily? Does isk grow on tress for m0o or something? Its not like they're that large of a corp, but it seems like they absorb their losses with ease.
Yes, and i've heard the speculations that they are actually 2nd characters of other rich corps that are donating money, or that they are secretly funded by larger corps to terrorize smaller corps and thus suppress competition, but I doubt that this is true for two reasons:
1. I've been monitoring the logging of the main m0o characters, i.e. j0rt, zap, etc., and these guys are always on. I mean, its a freakin rarity to see a time when j0rt, or Gauss, or Zap aren't on. Because of this I doubt that they have second characters at all, except to scout and spy briefly.
2. The losses or m0o from constant fighting would be enormous. I doubt any other corp have the desire, inclination, or finances to support their operations.
So does anyone in m0o care to share their secret? How DOES m0o finance your battleships, and replacement cost for your cruisers? I know you probably don't want to tell, but come on, can you give us a hint? |
Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.06.30 23:52:00 -
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Maybe they're a clever part of CCP's 'rich content', to give us something to do and fill-up the forums with emotion-filled comments. :)
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0SKULL0
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Posted - 2003.07.01 00:19:00 -
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CONSPIRACY THEORY
Maybe they are actually the ccp devs, and other ccp employees
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Sphinxx
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Posted - 2003.07.01 00:45:00 -
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I agree with oskullo. I think some of the developers and/or creaters of the game are in the m0o corp, exploiting all the bugs of the game. That would explain all the funding and quick replacment of ships. I don't like getting podded anymore than the next person, but you have to admit, they make the game a little more interesting.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.01 00:50:00 -
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Umm no they are not always on. It's actually quite easy to see which of them lives in the UK and which in the US from their gaming times. They may well have members in other TZ but to be quite frank I'm not as interested in them as I once was and hence haven't looked.
As to how they finance things - how much do you think they've made out of blockading Mara/Passari and other chokepoints leading to bist fields? You're thinking on the wrong scale here - m0o really don't care about small corps/freelancers but I bet when a big corp came along wanting access that some sort of significant remuneration was agreed as it would be in both parties' interests. Whatever you may think about m0o don't for one second think that the people who run m0o are dumb - heh I've only just worked out why they like Mara/Passari so much (it has little to do with where it leads to and a lot more to do with their ease of access to it).
Nice try though :)
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Niha Exploria
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Posted - 2003.07.01 01:25:00 -
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"Bling, bling. ISK ain't a thing" ;)
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Miral Kassia
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Posted - 2003.07.01 10:40:00 -
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I`m totally convinced Moo are part of the storyline. The point about finance is a good one and other facts connected with moo just make it a totally convincing theory. Lord zaps detached "bring it on attitude" on the bounty channel for example - like he really wants people to band together against him ...like its his job to get people to do this? tie in`s with other little "story elements" like the miss eve contest ....those kind of things. there again I love a good conspiracy theory ; )
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.01 11:02:00 -
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I've struck a rich, rich vein of comedy isogen, quick, come help me mine it. If you aim your CU vapors at the paranoia, you should be reeling in the chuckles. (makes sure someone doesn't steal them from your cargo though - "OI! get away from my chuckles ya rat bastid", etc.)
If you don't wanna mine 'em, I can sell you some at NPC +15%
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.01 19:02:00 -
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Eh?
If anyone can prove any of these theories, I'll give you not one, not two, not three, but FOUR civilian railguns.
Free ammo, too.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Percy Loudbottom
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Posted - 2003.09.02 23:27:00 -
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One way to get finances is by annoying people til the bounty climbs, if your bounty is twice the cost of your battleship you go out your buddy caps you collects and WOW! now you've got two battleships. Perhaps this explains their overly developed financial structure. Or am I overly cynical?
P.L.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.02 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 02/09/2003 23:33:46
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Lord zaps detached "bring it on attitude" on the bounty channel for example - like he really wants people to band together against him ...like its his job to get people to do this?
Maybe thats because some of us like Fighting other people, and i imagine being a pirate involves more chasing people , then actually squaring up to them.
Its not too hard to realise they find it fun, not somw wacky conspiracy theory :)
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Percy Loudbottom
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Posted - 2003.09.02 23:31:00 -
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On second thought you get in a frigate and let your buddy cap you, you keep your B/S AND get two more........So on the worst pirates, don't place a bounty just a kill on sight request. :)
P.L.
And when someone you know does cap one, send them a cash present. :)
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HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:49:00 -
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omg on these teorys:)
Might be a beta corp as TTI that knows how to make cash fast!:) As they spend most of thier total time online in 0.0 systems they got all the goodys
so they probebly have some ships and cash in stock:)
Chief Executive Officer
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.03 13:29:00 -
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hahahah!! intersting thoughts.
MOo are most deff not devs playing the game.
MOo have been playing from the start, and as they were the first corp to have a BS they are possibly just very well run.
I think they are great, i lost my only ship to them a while back, and to be honest when a member of mOo appears in local, i warp to a moon and wait for them to leave. When other pirates appear, i am still very cautious, but i dont usually hide.
Anyone can pirate, thats the problem, but mOo IMO are the way pirates should be.
Just because you think you are bad, and have a -sec rating doesnt mean that you are pirates.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 03/09/2003 14:11:25
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So does anyone in m0o care to share their secret? How DOES m0o finance your battleships, and replacement cost for your cruisers? I know you probably don't want to tell, but come on, can you give us a hint?
I think they actually own an original Apoc BP, and sell lots of copies of that one. If that's correct, it's a BIG income. And the value of equipment/cargo they loot from destroyed ships is also BIG.
*edit*
And as usual, LOL at Joshua's comment
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:28:00 -
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We own absolutely every BP, including Minmitar and Caldari Titans... we just don't want to pull them out yet because the pwnage wave would wreck income for the game producers.
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SavX
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:32:00 -
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You do not have Titan BP's. Stop lying.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:40:00 -
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You do not have Titan BP's. Stop lying.
HAHAHAHA.
Hes kidding us on my friend.
Hes not being serious.
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Shollos
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:11:00 -
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half the secret is that they do not in fact lose battleships or cruisers at anything approaching a 'rapid' pace...
1 battleship every 2 months is probally the average for ships lost among the better pirates in the game
the other half is that m0o is in fact a corp made up of CCP employees and they get free stuff from gms!
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 03/09/2003 16:58:58
I bet TTI sponsor them... they hope the more money they give to moo to kill people the less we will all hate TTI
STAN
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.03 17:39:00 -
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The following truths have been announced several times, they probably cover just a fraction of the ways m0o make money:
Stavros' alt in Empire Space is one of the biggest cruiser manufacturers in EVE.
m0o hunt NPC pirates to get ISK and rare loot which they use or sell (for lots of ISK)
m0o get ISK from travellers who know that the easiest way through a m0o blockade is by paying them
Just 3 small examples and there are many more ways to make money, tekforce and Stavros spent a good deal of time shooting down NPC convoys once upon a time for example.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.03 17:40:00 -
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m0o were all very high level powergamers. We play hard and we had fingers in huge numbers of pies.
It really isnt hard to make stupid amounts of cash in this game, its just that the majority of sheepish idiots that play it look at mining and trading as the only two ways to make cash.
To answer your question our operations were financed through a huge array of different techniques, as the late j0rt was so fond of stating, 'fingers, pies'.
From our point of view its extremely hard to understand how anyone is still flying a cruiser.
In conclusion m0o > everyone else.
BYE BYE!
Stav
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.09.03 17:42:00 -
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If TTI sponsered us we would own everything, but thats not the case. So I'm in class right now just finding random posts to reply to and don't mind me.
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Anya Stark
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Posted - 2003.09.03 18:11:00 -
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1. mOo have been powergamers no doubt from the start, and have been smart to get themselves in the best ships as soon as possible. They also tried out numerous weapons and tactics to discover the best loadouts and as far as I know were the most successfull corp for NPC farming, by sheer dint of numbers I believe, but I sure as heck never hung out in a system with them to find out. In any case the most commonly asked question early in game by those who hadn't played beta was "what the heck are those mOo guys using in their ships. Whether it was Surgical strike with stacked stamped heatsinks or 425 scout arty with gyro 1s and phased plasma, they always knew or figured out excellent loadouts after every nerf (*cough*, I mean patch). I do know that when I was in a sweet part of Curse at the time when 425 dual scout arty dropped like flies, mOo showed up and stayed awhile:)
2. Having given them their props for figuring out first/early how to make money in a number of very legit ways, it was also pretty obvious that at least early mOo corp antics (can't speak for now) including discovering and exploiting a number of bugs in the game that would make you a lot of money/skill points/stuff. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that they've podded each other a fair bit, especially when you think about the fact that podding your friend puts a bounty on yourself (even now in 0.1-0.4 space), so you could really just daisychain it, so long as the bounties added overcame the cost of your clones (of course not your ships, you'd put yourself in a pod, noob ship or shuttle first).
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.03 18:55:00 -
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2. Having given them their props for figuring out first/early how to make money in a number of very legit ways, it was also pretty obvious that at least early mOo corp antics (can't speak for now) including discovering and exploiting a number of bugs in the game that would make you a lot of money/skill points/stuff. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that they've podded each other a fair bit, especially when you think about the fact that podding your friend puts a bounty on yourself (even now in 0.1-0.4 space), so you could really just daisychain it, so long as the bounties added overcame the cost of your clones (of course not your ships, you'd put yourself in a pod, noob ship or shuttle first).
AS
Why am I not surprised your saying this..
Why am I posting regarding m0o? I was in m0o.. m0o is merging into Sinister due to a daft CEO situation..
m0o/Sinister is, as shocking as it may be to some of you, extremely organized. And as to how we make our money to finance such things.. well, regarding how we get our guns and what not, and sometimes ships.. we loot them for the most part. Everynow and then some dumbass ejects from their nice cruiser or what not.. but for the most part we sell loot and earn our money, some of us.. dare I say it, mine for minerals - thats only because an Armageddon w/ 8 Miner 2's racks in alot of ore.. mining parties.. eh.. maybe.. But I wont get your hopes up so you can't start scouting ;)
Tolls, loot, minerals, etc.. we earn our money just like everyone else. We don't "exploit" or "h4x" as so many of you say..
Those who are jealous, usually throw the insults.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:26:00 -
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I need an ambition hack so that I'll get off of my lazy ass and collect the minerals I have to build another battleship. ):
Someone go get my **** from the empires, pretty please!
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:28:00 -
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as the late j0rt was so fond of stating, 'fingers, pies'
pies
You can thank me later.
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HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.04 10:37:00 -
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m0o were all very high level powergamers. We play hard and we had fingers in huge numbers of pies.
It really isnt hard to make stupid amounts of cash in this game, its just that the majority of sheepish idiots that play it look at mining and trading as the only two ways to make cash.
To answer your question our operations were financed through a huge array of different techniques, as the late j0rt was so fond of stating, 'fingers, pies'.
From our point of view its extremely hard to understand how anyone is still flying a cruiser.
In conclusion m0o > everyone else.
BYE BYE!
Stav
Stavros i¦ll have to protec them:) If they hang around in high sec systems its not so hard to see, almost everyone in high sec systems fly a cruiser or frigate:) Dont know why im typing this!:) Hrm Any1 have some good facts about the "Han Dynasty" 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:10:00 -
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From our point of view its extremely hard to understand how anyone is still flying a cruiser.
Stav
Are you being serious??.
Many people have real lives, jobs, girlfriends,wives.
To say you cant understand why ppl are still in cruisers, is maybe a bit stupid. I am thinking maybe you have alot of time on your hands, and play, or have played this game a hell of alot.
Or maybe we all dont take this game as serious:).
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:24:00 -
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M00 who?
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HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:45:00 -
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Quote:
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From our point of view its extremely hard to understand how anyone is still flying a cruiser.
Stav
Are you being serious??.
Many people have real lives, jobs, girlfriends,wives.
To say you cant understand why ppl are still in cruisers, is maybe a bit stupid. I am thinking maybe you have alot of time on your hands, and play, or have played this game a hell of alot.
Or maybe we all dont take this game as serious:).
Correct!:) Im gonna contact u in-game darth
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:30:00 -
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In my defense I can say I am a university student and its summer so I am either drunk, getting drunk, sleeping or playing compy..
Its a hard life, oh yes...
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:18:00 -
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You said it m8, ah, gotta love the summers
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.04 19:54:00 -
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Ahh the romance that we have with m0o (and sinister). People sit back in thier high sec. systems and say "that m0o corp has gotta go"... and then quietly amongst the dark recesses of thier minds think "ya know I'm extremely jealous of thier ships, guns and money - I'd like to get a little of that"
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:07:00 -
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****, Riz -- I want some've that, too! D:
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:14:00 -
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****, Riz -- I want some've that, too! D:
Join me for a mining op Xeno. I'll help you raise some spending cash. hehehehe 
Posting for Numbnutz |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:35:00 -
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From our point of view its extremely hard to understand how anyone is still flying a cruiser.
Stav
Are you being serious??.
Many people have real lives, jobs, girlfriends,wives.
To say you cant understand why ppl are still in cruisers, is maybe a bit stupid. I am thinking maybe you have alot of time on your hands, and play, or have played this game a hell of alot.
Or maybe we all dont take this game as serious:).
Well I have the money for BSs but I've been trying not to buy one as I think it'll make the game (for me) even more boring. Looks like with the upcoming nerf...umm I mean patch of course...that I will have no choice. It's going to be a choice of either joining a corp who play at the same time as me or buying a BS. I reckon the BS wins as I don't like being "organised" by someone that I don't know
On a personal note I for one will be very sad to see the final demise of m0o when they merge into Sinister. The original m0o were the content of the game for a couple of months and CCP should be damn grateful to them. I would have packed the game in a couple of months ago had it not been for m0o blockades popping up all over the place. I know I'm not the only one that feels that m0o was the only content in the game during June/July - well done guys.
NB - don't bring any moral crap into this OK? It's a game and they played the bad guys. I doubt this game will ever see another corp to rival their reputation as the bad guys.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:14:00 -
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I doubt this game will ever see another corp to rival their reputation as the bad guys.
Stavros admitted that TTI managed to steal that title
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.09.05 12:28:00 -
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In my defense I can say I am a university student and its summer so I am either drunk, getting drunk, sleeping or playing compy..
Its a hard life, oh yes...
Dammit - thats it, I'm quitting my job
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.09.05 12:40:00 -
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Haha -- It's nice. Being a college student myself, I have to say that this point in life provides the perfect amount of time for spontaneous gaming. Got an hour and 50 minutes between those afternoon classes? Homework, then Eve! (:
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Ydiss
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Posted - 2003.09.05 13:01:00 -
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In every MMORPG there is a clan/guild/team/corp or whatever that comprises a group of powergamers who most likely started the game from the earliest possible time.
There will always be close runners up but always there will be the one that leads the pack and everyone either looks up to or hates/envies.
The difference in this case is that in EVE it happens to be a group of players who are playing the roles of the evil, rather than the good.
So, they're most likely going to be hated, rather than looked up to.
I think it adds interest to this game - Without it you'd just have an improved Frontier clone that you can play online. Vastly better than Frontier, of course, but still - You verus the PC can get dull.
So far as I've seen (and my only death so far has been at the hands of a Moo player) the PVP in this game is well handled.
I think I owe said Moo member a lot. All I lost was 3 hours worth of skills and an hour of play to buy my ship again with the insurance payout and in return for that I learned a lot:
1) Use the map properly when traveling through unsafe space (podkills, ships destroyed in last 24 hours, etc)
2) Always check local when in unsafe space.
3) Always have a location ready to warp to whenever approaching a gate in unsafe space (if you're unsure).
4) Never take the time to right click a yellow threat. Just get away (until you're in a ship powerful enough and equiped well enough to take some flak and escape if it gets too hot).
5) Remember names of infamous players here and in the game.
Man, if it wasn't for Moo none of the above would be needed and all we'd do is click auto-pilot and go watch TV, or something.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:40:00 -
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We love you too, Ydis.
See... in all reality, we at M0o were hired by the larger BS/Cruiser manufacturers to keep demand up. For every report of a blown ship that we sent them, we would get a small payment. Small payments add up over time, ya know? (;
We aren't trying to **** people off, but rather to help out the legit players. A variety of Robin Hood's, we are.
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Yarda
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:19:00 -
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lol Xeno
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Ydiss
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Posted - 2003.09.06 10:37:00 -
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We love you too, Ydis.
But, if you don't mind, I'll run away from you whenever I see you, k? [/holy grail] |
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