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Revolution Rising R I S E Industries Last-Light	Posted - 2011.03.02 19:42:00 - [1] I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? Bother with a triage unit? What rigs should I fit for this? When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? which rigs again ? Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) Thanks for any help RR
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.03.02 20:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Revolution Rising I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? No Bother with a triage unit? No What rigs should I fit for this? Trimarks. When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? RR which rigs again ? Trimarks always. Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) PVE Thanks for any help RR
Lord Haur Amarr Star Frontiers	Posted - 2011.03.02 20:12:00 - [3] Originally by: Revolution Rising I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? yes, 2 CAR = 1 CSB in burst tank. Bother with a triage unit? No, Archon is better at triage. What rigs should I fit for this? Trimarks or CCC's. It's personal choice, but Trimarks will be better when (not if) you get dropped When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? when there's more than about 3 carriers,the local reps lose out over the resists for incoming reps. which rigs again ? trimarks. Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) PVE ONLY. you ALWAYS have better stuff to fit in highs. Thanks for any help RR Triage is very situational, and typically uses small numbers of triage carriers with a subcap fleet, or to rep up supers/POS/sov structures. there's not really any other reason to use it.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.02 20:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Revolution Rising I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. Just fyi... a solo capital is usually a DEAD capital as you essentially have a giant "GANK ME" sign on your back. Originally by: Revolution Rising When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? Bother with a triage unit? What rigs should I fit for this? If you are "travel fit" then you really need to think about 3 things: 1. How fast can I regenerate my capacitor (so I can jump again) if I can't dock? 2. Will I be able to fend off hostiles if I am caught in a bad situation? 3. Will I be able to endure a sustained attack if the bad situation gets worse? With this in mind: A triage unit will certainly allow you to hold back an attack from a small random gang. However, keep in mind that you cannot use any of your drones while in triage. Just absorb damage. With fitting more than one rep... better to be safe that sorry. If you run into a small gang one rep is usually enough. But if that "small gang" morphs into a "large gang" then you might need that extra repping ability. One thing I'll add to this... throw on a Heavy Neutralizer or two in your highs. They give you the ability to cap out smaller ships (after you've spent 30 seconds targeting them ) and thus make them lose point on you... allowing you to escape. With rigs... CCCs are indisputably the best for this situation. If you land in a system with no station you want that extra capacitor repping ability rather than EHP. Originally by: Revolution Rising When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? which rigs again ? My personal take on it (others might disagree with me) is that you always fit Capacitor Control Circuit rigs. For a capital ship, capacitor power equals "life." However, I have seen some ships out in 0.0 eschewing the use of CCC rigs in favor of Trimarks or Field Extenders (for that extra buffer). For "spider tanking"... no local (personal) reps are needed. Simply stick on as many resistance and capacitor mods as you can along with the obligatory 2x Capital Energy Transfer mods and 3x Capital Armor Repair Units / Capital Shield Transfer Arrays. For "triage"... you NEED local reps (at least 2) as you cannot receive reps from any other ship while in Triage. You also NEED quite a few capacitor mods as one of the most common tactics used against a triage carriers is "neuting" them to death. Originally by: Revolution Rising Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) Generally you NEVER fit them in PvP situations as those high slots are better served with a remote rep/cap transfer/heavy neut. In PvE situations... go for it. It adds extra DPS so you can clear areas faster. Just keep in mind that if you die with a PvE/Drone Control Unit fit you will be mercilessly trolled by everyone you know and trust. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.02 21:16:00 - [5] Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? Yes, I dual rep. Bother with a triage unit? Yes. What rigs should I fit for this? CCCs. Cap Is Life - for you and your fleet. Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? When I'm missioning. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.03.03 02:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Revolution Rising I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? <<--- Dual reppers, with Capital armour rep skill to at least 4 Bother with a triage unit? <<-- Only if i knew other caps were on stand-by, and i had a cyno beacon ready to light just in case What rigs should I fit for this? <<--- CCC's. Every day. Do not fit trimarks or anything else. When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? <<--- Properly skilled, a RR is 0.8 to the CAR's 1. It consumes more cap in that time though, so it is naturally best to leave it to Archons (their cap bonus and armour resist bonus are all good things when spider tanking) which rigs again ? <<--- CCC's again. Only CCC's in all circumstances in Eve, no exceptions. Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) <<--- ratting, only. And always rat in Anoms, never rat in belts. Thanks for any help RR <<--- Spider tanking is best left done to Archons, even though you can do it with a Thanny and a Niddy. The Thanny's strength lies in its drone effectiveness, so always keep that at the front of your mind. The Archons are there to support you, and you are there to eliminate threats to yourself, your archons and your fleet. This is just IMO btw.
Cyhawk	Posted - 2011.03.03 13:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Revolution Rising I just got my first thanny, am considering different builds and whatnot for soloish and fleet both. When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? Bother with a triage unit? What rigs should I fit for this? When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? which rigs again ? Under which circumstances do you fit and use drone control units? (Just fill whatever highs you have left over with them I have assumed) Thanks for any help RR Originally by: Revolution Rising When flying solo (either travel or supporting gangs in area) - If I'm traveling, its normally in a group, so safety isn't TOO much of an issue. I fit a single DCU, and all cap rigs. Why? So I can jump within 60 seconds of landing. I typically "scout" with my Thanny for trains, the more heavily tanked/ganked carriers behind me will support me if (and so far its only happened once..) we get attacked. Originally by: Revolution Rising Would you fit more than 1 capital armor rep? Bother with a triage unit? Same question. I believe it was said before: 2 Reps == Triage 1 Rep == Normal Combat fit. Originally by: Revolution Rising What rigs should I fit for this? Always CCCs. T2 if you want to splurge. (Not recommended in this day and age sadly) Regardless of what you're doing. There is NO point to using trimarks on a carrier. You'll just get DD'd, no amount of tank will survive that. The extra few seconds provided against Fighter bomber blobs is not worth the jump recharge time. Either way, you're most likely dead. Originally by: Revolution Rising When flying fleet triage/spider tanking - Do you still fit personal capital armor reps or completely rely on remote reps from others? which rigs again ? Those are two separate setups, spider tanking and triage. Someone else said it better before.. ALWAYS have a local rep if you're going into a combat situation. You cannot rely on support from other carriers (unless its carrier/dread only, no SCs). SC and Titans take priority over you, always. If you're in a mixed fleet, and some SC decides to primary you.. you're gonna die. End of story. Sucks yes, but thats the state of current Cap fights. Now in a Carrier/Dread only situation, Spider reps work. However your primary concern as a Thanny pilot is DPS. As said before, leave the heavy reps up to the Archons. Focus on that and you'll be fine. --------------- This is what I use for Hotdrops/Carrier-Dread only fleets, ie, when I don't expect Super caps to show up and ruin our fun: I move fluidly with the high slots, and with the CPR in the low (sometimes an additional Enam if the situation calls for it) The T2 rigs are from the pre-SC boost, hence they're still on there. If I ever lost my personal thanny, I'd replace them with T1. Depending on the situation, I sometimes drop a Cap recharger for an Omni, but thats pretty rare lately. [Thanatos, Current Setup] Capital Armor Repairer I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Warp Disruptor II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Capital Energy Transfer Array I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Dread Guristas Large Graviton Smartbomb Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II ----------- For normal PvE duties, (since Im running out of room) I use all CPRs, one Rep, 2 Omnis, Cap rechargers, DCUs and a Probe launcher. Aka: My Radar fit. (Kept a Codebreaker/Analyzer for refits) Hope this gives you a decent idea on how to fit your thanny...
DogFACE1	Posted - 2011.03.03 17:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Cyhawk [Thanatos, Current Setup] Capital Armor Repairer I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Warp Disruptor II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Capital Energy Transfer Array I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Dread Guristas Large Graviton Smartbomb Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II I like Hardeners more than EANMS on a combat carrier. Plug the glaring resist holes.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.03 22:31:00 - [9] Originally by: DogFACE1 I like Hardeners more than EANMS on a combat carrier. Plug the glaring resist holes. If you are "spider tanking" I'd agree with you... hardeners > EANMs However, in a "solo carrier" (I'm still having trouble with that term ) or "triage" fit having passive mods that are not dependent on capacitor power is usually recommended. I say this as one of the BIGGEST weaknesses of capital ships is (as I said in a previous post) being "neuted to death." And yes... I will admit, hardeners don't really consume much cap compared to other mods you may have fitted... but it adds up over time and, if you are completely flat, has serious consequences. Those passive resistances can mean the difference between "melting" and being "chewed apart"... which can also mean the difference between help being "too late" or "right on time." _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.03.04 08:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Baneken on 04/03/2011 08:36:23 They also say you should always have a cap recharger for GTFO cap, that still holds ? Anyway since this is about thanny and I happen to be training supports for such a thing does the capital sized remote hull repper actually see any use or did I just waste my time training (6d) the skill ? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Baneken They also say you should always have a cap recharger for GTFO cap, that still holds ? I refer you back to Liang's and my comment... capacitor = life for capital ships. If armor fit, full (or near full) medium slots with Capacitor Rechargers (with maybe some Cap Power Relays if you have lows to spare). If shield fit, near full low-slots with Reactor Control Units and/or Cap Power Relays. Originally by: Baneken Anyway since this is about thanny and I happen to be training supports for such a thing does the capital sized remote hull repper actually see any use or did I just waste my time training (6d) the skill ? I refer you to this article and quote: Quote: Hull Tanking Elite --------- This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.03.05 08:14:00 - [12] I know perfectly well what is hull tanking. I asked about remotehull repair module and if there ever is any hull to repair in the first place when the dust settles. Anyway I noticed I wrote cap recharger whhat I meant was cap booster. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.05 08:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Baneken I know perfectly well what is hull tanking. I asked about remotehull repair module and if there ever is any hull to repair in the first place when the dust settles. The only times I've ever seen capital hull reps in action are when repping POSs or repairing a friendly carrier/dred/supercap that survived by a hair. Other than that... I have never seen them put to use. Originally by: Baneken Anyway I noticed I wrote cap recharger whhat I meant was cap booster. Some corpies of mine have actually tested this out. In the short run, cap boosters work frighteningly well. But once they run out (you can only store so many in the cargo bay and corp hanger) you're dead in the water. So cap boosters aren't very good in endurance fights... which is typically the carrier's strong point. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown

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