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Mirabele	Posted - 2011.03.03 10:10:00 - [1] Hi! Iam sure this is not a new question, but havent found a answer i was happy with. I run missions most of the time, just for ISK. But is it worth salvaging them? Or is it just a time waster compared to just running another mission ?
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears	Posted - 2011.03.03 10:23:00 - [2] Depends on the mission. For example if I have mission with drones...I never salvage i only blitz the thing. If I have a mission with angels...I shoot everyone and salvage everything. If it's serpentis or gurista, I shoot everyone, but only salvage when i feel like it (same system etc). It's not a waste of time as long as you don't salvage the crappy ones. Yes, there might and will be missions where the salvage sucks even if it's good rats, but sometimes you get the same amount of ISK as the bounties. I've had angel missions where you get like 30-40mil on salvage/loot and I've had missions where I barely got 5mil from the same bloody mission! It's the same when choosing missions. Kill mission, accept. Courier, decline. Same goes for salvaging. CHOOSE!
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.03.03 10:46:00 - [3] I'll give you an answer you should be happy with: it depends Do your own math, not your personal army.
Signal11th	Posted - 2011.03.03 10:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Signal11th on 03/03/2011 10:59:18 I think it's a question of toon age, when I was new salvaging after missions made me usually 2x3x what I made from the mission, it was a nice isk boost but the older you get and quicker you kill rats and run missions you make more than doing the salavage. In short if you new/unexperienced salavging makes you cash if your older then no I never bother with it.
Centus Commander	Posted - 2011.03.03 13:09:00 - [5] Just get a alt to do it. Then its always worth it
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears	Posted - 2011.03.03 13:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Centus Commander Just get a alt to do it. Then its always worth it Not really, as you can use the alt for missioning too :) Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.03 17:37:00 - [7] As others have said you really have to do the math and it depends on the mission/race substantially. Generally though, Sansha and Angels are the decent races to salvage (maybe amarr and bloods). Don't bother with drones, guristas, and serpentis. If you have a marauder and can do it while you mission, you should still only grab what you can while you're doing the mission - don't stick around as you would almost certainly be losing isk/hr that way. If you're a a fairly proficient PVE combat toon, then you'll rarely have a mission (even out angels and sansha) that is worth coming back to loot/salavge, yes even in a noctis. My rule is that if it's a single room then I might come back in a salvage ship, else, no. You'll make more isk/hour getting the next mission completed. Aside from this, the only reason to salvage outside of what you can get while in the mission is if you're a fairly new player and are actually getting more isk/hour from your loot/salvaging activities than you are from getting the bounties/LP/mission reward. That is a calculation that you really have to run yourself.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2011.03.03 19:55:00 - [8] If you're running a 700 dps or better setup, you'll probably want to just move on to the next mission. Oh yeah, about my sig... you have now read it.
Jason W0rthing	Posted - 2011.03.03 21:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Centus Commander Just get a alt to do it. Then its always worth it Not really, as you can use the alt for missioning too :) Because everyone has an alt that can fly a faction battleship with perfect skills and not some character with indy/science skills that can fly a Noctis. Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Sjugar	Posted - 2011.03.03 22:13:00 - [10] I bookmark my sites and only go salvage once every 4-5 missions, makes the salvaging quite a bit faster because you can take on multiple sites in 1 system.
Jamaican Herbsman I Love You Mary Jane	Posted - 2011.03.04 10:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Jason W0rthing Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Centus Commander Just get a alt to do it. Then its always worth it Not really, as you can use the alt for missioning too :) Because everyone has an alt that can fly a faction battleship with perfect skills and not some character with indy/science skills that can fly a Noctis. Ditch those marauders, faction ships and noctii(?, noctises? noctis's?) and train your both accounts for trading, that's where the real isk is.
Skex Relbore Gallente Skexcorp	Posted - 2011.03.04 15:43:00 - [12] I'm curious about the argument against salvaging/looting drones. Considering the only reward beyond the mission and completion time bonus is drone goo it seems that if you were going to run the darned things you'd want to be salvaging. I pretty much turn them all down because I'm lazy and I like wallet blinks but I'd be interested in the rational presented here.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.05 00:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Skex Relbore I'm curious about the argument against salvaging/looting drones. Considering the only reward beyond the mission and completion time bonus is drone goo it seems that if you were going to run the darned things you'd want to be salvaging. I pretty much turn them all down because I'm lazy and I like wallet blinks but I'd be interested in the rational presented here. The rationale is that just because it's an option, doesn't mean it's worth doing. Just because I can go mine veld in an ibis, doesn't mean it's the most profitable use of my time. Yes, that's an extreme example, but still applicable to spending time harvesting drone poop. Not all missions are drone missions though (I too reject as many as I can), and so the faster you can collect the mission reward and get to another decent mission, the better. One day drones might be worth doing again, but until that time, blitz them, collect your reward, and get to the next mission.
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.05 00:56:00 - [14] I always salvage everything because I can't stand to leave a wreck behind (OCD probably). But I play with 3 accounts - 2 on the mission and one salvaging.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Jamaican Herbsman Ditch those marauders, faction ships and noctii(?, noctises? noctis's?) Noctium. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Jamaican Herbsman Ditch those marauders, faction ships and noctii(?, noctises? noctis's?) and train your both accounts for trading, that's where the real isk is. Which trading bot do you use? I can't compete with them, so I run missions and mine instead.
Oddymandius Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:17:00 - [17] Not.
tankarmor	Posted - 2011.03.05 02:06:00 - [18] Salvaging after killing can bring a lot when starting mission or have good faction pirates. After get higher skill to kill, isk/hr may not be good if still salvaging. But really, after using active shield tank in mission, I feel it's a time of a cup of tea when salvaging in noctis. Making carebear's life balanced.
Frank Shitlitz	Posted - 2011.03.05 03:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia Noctium. Umm... that would put it in the genetive case (ie. my noctis's cargo hold... displaying ownership) I think you want it in the nominitive which would be noctes iirc.
Fulmar Muse -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.03.05 06:37:00 - [20] Edited by: Fulmar Muse on 05/03/2011 06:42:35 noctis taught me 1 thing angel, drone missions are gud edit: drone missions are in fact awesome!,, get an indy alt.. and start kicking ass! everything else is meh, exept misions like "pirate invasion" u can increase your isk/hour on those kind of mission, others... ur not going to. if yer still confused,use ninja salvagers as a que, if they want the salvage, then u might as well get salvaging corps like "tear extraction and reclaimaion service" turning up mid mission, are gud indicators that salvaging that mission is worth salvaging tengu on own - 15-60mil an hr, depending on isk/lp ratios ur best probablt finding that golden egg, salvaging isnt all its cracked up to be muse "Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. huuh!" Super fly]
Mi Sing Caldari Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2011.03.05 07:24:00 - [21] Whether, or not it is worth it is really up to you. I almost always salvage each mission, if only because I like to make my own, and any my corp needs, rigs. Plus, I don't play for ISK/hour. Its a game, and I play for the fun of it. To me, ISK/hour is overrated.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.05 14:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Frank **litz Umm... that would put it in the genetive case (ie. my noctis's cargo hold... displaying ownership) I think you want it in the nominitive which would be noctes iirc. Noctis is already genetive ù it's nox in nominative ù so the plural becomes noctium. Yes, you could pluralise it as noctes, but then you change the meaning. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Frank Shitlitz	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Frank **litz Umm... that would put it in the genetive case (ie. my noctis's cargo hold... displaying ownership) I think you want it in the nominitive which would be noctes iirc. Noctis is already genetive ù it's nox in nominative ù so the plural becomes noctium. Yes, you could pluralise it as noctes, but then you change the meaning. Good catch. Been awhile since latin classes I assumed CCP would use the nom not gen case.
moneykeeper	Posted - 2011.03.06 08:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Frank **litz Umm... that would put it in the genetive case (ie. my noctis's cargo hold... displaying ownership) I think you want it in the nominitive which would be noctes iirc. Noctis is already genetive ù it's nox in nominative ù so the plural becomes noctium. Yes, you could pluralise it as noctes, but then you change the meaning. I think you will find that the second-person, present-tense, plural, nominative of this particular noun is irregular. The correct term is noctopusses.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.06 13:15:00 - [25] Originally by: moneykeeper The correct term is noctopusses. I could go for that. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.03.07 06:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Missm Uppet Originally by: Skex Relbore I'm curious about the argument against salvaging/looting drones. Considering the only reward beyond the mission and completion time bonus is drone goo it seems that if you were going to run the darned things you'd want to be salvaging. I pretty much turn them all down because I'm lazy and I like wallet blinks but I'd be interested in the rational presented here. The rationale is that just because it's an option, doesn't mean it's worth doing. Just because I can go mine veld in an ibis, doesn't mean it's the most profitable use of my time. Yes, that's an extreme example, but still applicable to spending time harvesting drone poop. Not all missions are drone missions though (I too reject as many as I can), and so the faster you can collect the mission reward and get to another decent mission, the better. One day drones might be worth doing again, but until that time, blitz them, collect your reward, and get to the next mission. Depends...if you run an indy, you can use the high end mins they drop. the high ends you'd buy off of market. And if you haven't done indy, the lowest price for whatever you need always seems to be 8 jumps away from you outside of jita lol. Indy unlike mission running...does not follow isk per our rules. At some point you face 1 isk war...10 jumps saves you 4 million, you cna isk war for 4 million isk. Drone mission right there and can save some hauling. Another pitfall of indy...set up order, click process and bam....always short 10 of something. Got a drone mission lined up next, you got bounty and the 10 items you need ftw lol. Savings on morphite alone worth it for small order needing it. Want decent morphite price...you are hubbing it most times. time to hub, time back to indy station....for me I can have the combat char jsut loot while running...or mwd dessie after for 5 minutes. Not a time killer I think. 5 minutes later you are hitting an AE...room 3 kill bs and leave the turrets, room 4 kill antenae first and you are back on track lol.
Ira Infernus	Posted - 2011.03.07 16:33:00 - [27] Get a marauder, then you can carry on as you where, AND salvage... its what I did when I wanted to step up my isk per hour. You will probably make most of your isk from LP if you play it right, so you dont want to slow down the rate at which you complete missions; training an alt to salvage is not as effective as training an alt for more gank in your missions.
The Old Chap	Posted - 2011.03.07 18:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Ira Infernus Get a marauder, then you can carry on as you where, AND salvage... its what I did when I wanted to step up my isk per hour. THIS. A marauder allows you to run the mission and salvage as you go, it's a great time-saver. One other thing - salvaging is different to just taking the dropped loot from the wreck. The 'must-take' dropped loot is from large drone wrecks - it refines nicely.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2011.03.07 20:31:00 - [29] If you are building stuff then as has been stated salvaging, looting and reprocessing the loot is worthwhile. You can gather enough mins from 4-5 missions to make a battlecruiser (if memory serves correctly), that's an extra ~30m ISK right there. With the salvage you can make a few rigs, average 5m per medium sized rig... With a single character you can often gather nearly as many minerals as you would mining in the same time, with the added bonus of you getting the full spectrum of minerals and not just those restricted to your current area. Personally, I play for fun not to be the most efficient... so making an extra 1% ISK/hr with some tweak isn't that exciting for me... -- Why do people sign their name at the bottom of a post? We know who you are already...

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