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Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 01:45:00 - [1] so breaker's method is essentially to dilute fraud with actual business? sort of leveraging your actual activities to gain solvency... interesting "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 01:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Rule18 so breaker's method is essentially to dilute fraud with actual business? sort of leveraging your actual activities to gain solvency... interesting How is anyone going to know you received XXX amount of ISK from Bad Bobby if you have so many journal entries to push it out of the API data? Back when I was doing T2 invention and production, I was easily making 400+ T2 modules a day. Now if I sold them as I built them, that alone would be 800+ journal entries EACH DAY! 400+ for the item, and 400+ for the sales tax. Multiply that by a couple of weeks, and the number of entries is staggering. Remember the API will only pull at most 1000 entries. To get more you have to walk the journal. Ah, so more of a buffer overflow type thing? Gothya. I liked my original interpretation better :-/ almost makes scamming sound like a legit business. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 02:39:00 - [3] first and foremost this thread is making my head hurt! second, as far as x for x verification... thats a really good way to simplify the current issue. x can be matched to x but there is no method for verification of the function which produced x (trading, bought a plex, industry, alt/ponzi etc) and its in the concealing of the method that people "avoid audits." verifying transactions is one solution proposed that handles this for ongoing business but, as also mentioned, it becomes WAY too tedious when scaling for larger operations. frankly given eve's current mechanics, i cant see any other way and even then, if a player funnels funds through relatively established characters/businesses using faux transactions... this falls apart too. I propose shifting emphasis from a financial audit to an "RL" audit. Look at time invested, expected returns, plausibility of proposed mechanics (supplement with fact checking), reputation/history (just to weed out obvious) and assess likelihood of burnout/ quantify RL time required to A) carryout business as projected or B) scam. Theoretically, even if someone who passes these tests scams, they still leave a viable business model which can, should and will eventually be used for legitimate business. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 03:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Rule18 on 04/03/2011 03:09:22 Perhaps a template could be created which presents the following in addition to other more traditional audit results RL Hours required: 1w/1m/3m/1y RL Hours required to generate current NAV Requested Investment: Fronted Collateral: Projected ROI: 1w/1m/3m/1y Benefit of default: 1w/1m/3m/1y Calculated as Investment-Collateral+ROI Likelihood of default Calculated as if([Investment-Collateral]>0; if(NAV/RLHrs>Projected ROI/Hrs Req;SCAM; BBB); AAA) -----Signature----- CRAVE, taking you beyond the capsule. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 03:27:00 - [5] ... Weren't you the one that with that whole "overgrown investment barrier" thread... I smell self-contradiction ;-) Anyway yes, I agree, notice how the primary result is "SCAM" with risky as 2nd most likely and AAA as least likely. just proposing an alternate method. -----Signature----- CRAVE, taking you beyond the capsule. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 03:39:00 - [6] Take it another level, build an audit character in parallel to a scam character making both appear independent... Would take months or years but I can't see ANY way to stop it. -----Signature----- CRAVE, taking you beyond the capsule. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18
Rule18 Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc. Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.04 05:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Rule18 on 04/03/2011 05:04:00 Originally by: Misty McGinnity Originally by: Rule18 Take it another level, build an audit character in parallel to a scam character making both appear independent... Would take months or years but I can't see ANY way to stop it. Best idea i have ever seen, if you stagger the characters though, u'll need to make the auditer first, audit + new scam alt in same thread hasn't worked. Auditer--> for 3 months then launch the IPO scam alt. Will look better. :-/ Not sure how to feel about this... Proud for thinking of it or sad for potential re-quoting on all my future businesses propositions :-/ ---Hey wait a minute... --- If Originally by: Rule18 Edited by: Rule18 on 04/03/2011 03:09:22 Perhaps a template could be created which presents the following in addition to other more traditional audit results RL Hours required: 1w/1m/3m/1y RL Hours required to generate current NAV Requested Investment: Fronted Collateral: Projected ROI: 1w/1m/3m/1y Benefit of default: 1w/1m/3m/1y Calculated as Investment-Collateral+ROI Likelihood of default Calculated as if([Investment-Collateral]>0; if(NAV/RLHrs>Projected ROI/Hrs Req;SCAM; BBB); AAA) Is made simple enough/ doable with public info... then theoretically it should still provide a good prediction of whether or not someone is likely to scam (perhaps better because it doesn't factor additional effort for audit account). -----Signature----- CRAVE, taking you beyond the capsule. "If it can be named, it can be hated." -Rule18

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