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XBlack OpsX
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Posted - 2011.03.06 10:10:00 -
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I was looking at the kronos and i was wondering if theres any kronos pilots out there that can tell me what the kronos is good for PVP or PVE and why the ship is either good and or bad at the 2 roles i just mentioned. Thank You. |
Herrring
Amarr
Caldari Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Herrring on 06/03/2011 11:41:03
If you dont have Ammarr, Caladari or Minmatar BS V, but want a marauder for pve, you use the Kronos, while you train the aforementioned BS V skills
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:52:00 -
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 Originally by: XBlack OpsX
I was looking at the kronos
Look elsewhere.
It's a short-range hybrid ship that cannot support itself properly with drones. That's three strikes against it in quick succession for PvE. For PvP, it's just too expensive and too vulnerable for what it does, with a ton of pointless bonuses that you'll never use ù go for a Vindicator instead, if you want the useful parts of the ship.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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VannyDaCruz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:53:00 -
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Use the Vindicator, and if you can train for it, the Machariel. They are the closest to the kronos while a million times better. Seriously, the Kronos can put out 700dps PVE while the vindicator can put out 1100.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:54:00 -
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:elite solo: PvP behind a Falcon alt (just incase the other guys bring jams. Honest, I'm still an honorable solo warrior, I promise  )
You can pretend the web nerf never happened and your Mega is still king of the universe
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:07:00 -
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àthen again, to be fair to the Kronos, it only really needs one thing to be kind-of-useful:
An Oneiros that constantly sits by its side.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 06/03/2011 13:22:06
Originally by: Patient 2428190
:elite solo: PvP behind a Falcon alt (just incase the other guys bring jams. Honest, I'm still an honorable solo warrior, I promise )
You can pretend the web nerf never happened and your Mega is still king of the universe
gl tackeling somebody solo with a Kronos(hint, scan res...).
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2011.03.06 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
gl tackeling somebody solo with a Kronos(hint, scan res...).
Well to be fair a lack of targets will be the least of your problems when you are a kronos backed by a falcon. You're not gonna be worried about your inability to get point when the carrier fleet drops you. You're not going to be worried about being too slow when local spikes by 20 just after you begin an engagement.
You're going to be thinking, 'Oh god I hope the jams go off.'
In the meantime the 'real' targets you have will be other pvpers trying to kill you with insufficient force. But mostly the blob.
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Songbird
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Posted - 2011.03.06 21:05:00 -
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I'd use a kronos to complete my mega hulled bs collection*have 3/5 so far*. Now if only federate issue megas were still around.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 07/03/2011 07:35:32
double post
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How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2011.03.07 07:35:00 -
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I like the railgun shield tanked Kronos for Incursion sites. But I have to admit the Vindicator is better.
EDIT: The best thing you can do with a Kronos is turn it into a HP buffer loot ship with MWD. 40km Tractor beams with salvagers and a large cargo bay. It's by far one of the best if not best loot ship that's unlikely to get ganked like most loot frigs..
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How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.07 08:36:00 -
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Yep kronos used to be a good salvager, but since the noctis was released also that is past tense.
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XBlack OpsX
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Posted - 2011.03.07 10:23:00 -
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Well seems to me with all the responses that the kronos pretty much sucks and the vindicator in pretty much every way is better than the kronos and of course less skill intensive. Now i got another question. Is it really necessary to faction fit a kronos or vindicator or will T2 get the job done? Sometimes it seems that faction fits get soo crazy in the cost that the fitting alone are worth more than the ship. |
catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage collective
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Posted - 2011.03.07 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: XBlack OpsX
Well seems to me with all the responses that the kronos pretty much sucks and the vindicator in pretty much every way is better than the kronos and of course less skill intensive. Now i got another question. Is it really necessary to faction fit a kronos or vindicator or will T2 get the job done? Sometimes it seems that faction fits get soo crazy in the cost that the fitting alone are worth more than the ship.
Short answer no, in my experience T2 fits work just aswell BUT fitting faction modules give you less headaches with grid and cpu and in general are just that all important little bit better
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Bradstone
BradNett Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:03:00 -
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Had my Kronos since they appeared in the game. Have a Paladin to.
Overall I like my Kronos its like a small puppy, maybe not the brightest of the bunch but loveable.
Have a Vindicator to, its damage is very impressive but requires more micro management to ensure it can do pve. The thing that puts me off the Vindicator is the drone hold space, too small for 5x Heavies/Sentries and 5x Mediums making it vulnerable to small frigate attack.
Used the Kronos in pvp a few times as a buffer tank and was impressed with its performance.
Overall over the years I always find my self back in the pilots seat of the Kronos, its like an old friend now, I agree not the best damage dealer of them all, but I still like it. It being underestimated also works to my advantage in some situations 
Faction modules are, in my option, not needed, I have it fitted T2 with some cheap damage mods and it works well, I havenÆt had its tank broken in any level 4.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/03/2011 15:18:55
Originally by: XBlack OpsX
Well seems to me with all the responses that the kronos pretty much sucks and the vindicator in pretty much every way is better than the kronos and of course less skill intensive. Now i got another question. Is it really necessary to faction fit a kronos or vindicator or will T2 get the job done? Sometimes it seems that faction fits get soo crazy in the cost that the fitting alone are worth more than the ship.
Short answer: yes.
Longer answer: It is ridiculous to fit a billion ISK ship for 30M or so. Guns, cap rechargers, hardeners, etc all just t2. (Dunno how vindi is CPU wise, if it is as ****ty as normal/navy mega you might need faction hardeners, but they are cheap anyway). Damage mods always faction. Webifiers always faction (gal navy to be precise). Tracking computers and afterburners i would also do faction, but that you can get away with t2 i suppose. Pretty much same for LAR, you can do t2, but you might be able to free up a tank slot if you use a faction LAR.
T2 rigs are nice because they dont make you much more of a target for possible suicide ganks while possibly giving decent increase in performance.
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Elsa Nietchize
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:12:00 -
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i thoroughly enjoy kronos threads :)
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XBlack OpsX
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:16:00 -
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People mention the vindicator a lot, does anyone have any fitting on that ship? seems to be a kick butt ship compared to the kronos. |
Demelody
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Posted - 2011.03.08 00:04:00 -
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I really wonder how many ppl shouting "it sucks" actually ever flew a kronos...
Despite what some ppl will lead you to believe the kronos doesn't suck for pve.
Its a very capable mission ship, probably the best pure gallente ship, despite the fact that it uses rails. Its not easy to train for though. The fact that other races' marauders are better is true though.
A vindicator for PvE is a ridiculous idea... get a machariel instead if you have those skills already, its far better for pve.
For pvp a kronos is only as good as battleships are in pvp... its web bonus isnt bad, but it suffers from the marauders' scan res
Battleships dont have a big place in pvp to start with... unless you count fleets, but who on earth flies a marauder in big fleets?
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.08 00:23:00 -
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I personally have found the Kronos more than reasonable in Guristas anomalies in 0.0; my experiences with it have been delightful, particularly once I added some ECCM modules to counteract the low base sensor strength. |
Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.08 00:47:00 -
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With the introduction of MWD's in deadspace pockets blasterfit kronos does very well for pve both missions and 0.0 anomalies and plexes, doing above 1k dps and salvaging on the go. Someone might come along and brag about how much dps his Macharial does, but he misses out on alot of money by not salvaging the wrecks so in the end, you can laugh all the way to the bank with your kronos. Definitely a viable option if you don't want to run multiple accounts for salvaging and what not.
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Elsa Nietchize
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Posted - 2011.03.08 02:37:00 -
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just to follow-up
i flew a kronos for a year and made great isk on lvl 4s with it.
i then toyed with a shield fit domi and found it to do better dps but it was less forgivable tank wise. this may have been because my shield tanking skills blew.
the kronos is a neat ship and i'm sure i'll always have a soft spot in my ♥ for it but the reality is that for the rest of my eve career, i will probably never own one ever again. i've found that there's just much better ships out there. if i had known now what i knew when i started training for the kronos i would have not trained for it. rather i would have opted for the shield fit domi, golem or vargur.
mostly likely i'd have gone with the vargur, not because it's the best ship but because all the skills for it transition into PVP really well.
this would have saved me months (even a year+) worth of cross training time.
i'm not saying you'll have to cross train if you go down the gallente path, i'm just saying when you've accomplished what you wanted, you then set out to do things better, which leads you to minmatar PVP wise.
so it's not a matter of if you'll cross train but when.
we love you kronos pilots but god help you if you chose that path. you're the ones who like to play games in hard mode :)
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.08 03:17:00 -
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I use it in incursions for the web bonus, plus decent blaster damage, on chaining vanguard sites.
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Demelody
I really wonder how many ppl shouting "it sucks" actually ever flew a kronos...
Despite what some ppl will lead you to believe the kronos doesn't suck for pve.
Its a very capable mission ship, probably the best pure gallente ship, despite the fact that it uses rails. Its not easy to train for though. The fact that other races' marauders are better is true though.
Actually I do, I fly it nearly since they got introduced. Against stuff that stays at 20-60km range a rail domi is better, however if you mostly fight stuff like angels or do missions where you kill most of the targets at 80-100km the tracking bonus + 2 TCs/ability to fit 2 Drone Links w/o dropping guns make it better in practice. What it really needs are 2 more sentry's and useful rails.
Originally by: Demelody
A vindicator for PvE is a ridiculous idea... get a machariel instead if you have those skills already, its far better for pve.
I second this.
Originally by: Demelody
For pvp a kronos is only as good as battleships are in pvp... its web bonus isnt bad, but it suffers from the marauders' scan res
Battleships dont have a big place in pvp to start with... unless you count fleets, but who on earth flies a marauder in big fleets?
They aren't this expensive after the T2 insurance changes last year, probably on par with a T3 cruiser, at least the Kronos, but your chances to get a point at BCs and smaller stuff are close to zero at gates or belts. This doesn't make it attractive outside spending tons on faction fits, booster alts and imps and try your luck with a over sized active tank in consensual combat. 
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 08:47:00 -
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Kronos would actually be quite good for farming Serpentis anomalies/belt ratting. And the rats drop Cap 800 so you'll never run out. The rats like to come close so blasters won't be too much of an hindrance and you can put that DPS and web bonus at work.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.08 09:19:00 -
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Belt ratting in a kronos is just stupid. Also only reason you need cap boosters is because you are pretty much perma running your mwd to get into range.
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I really wonder how many ppl shouting "it sucks" actually ever flew a kronos...
I do, still my main mission ship since i dont mission that often anyway and i dont have atm isk to buy machariel.
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Despite what some ppl will lead you to believe the kronos doesn't suck for pve.
Its a very capable mission ship, probably the best pure gallente ship, despite the fact that it uses rails.
With loot nerf I seriously doubt it is better than a well fitted domi. But in the end being the best pure gallente ship in pve is like winning the special olympics.
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A vindicator for PvE is a ridiculous idea... get a machariel instead if you have those skills already, its far better for pve.
Serious? Sure machariel is better, but you here act like they are anything remotely similar in skills. There is only ONE skill that is similar if you come from flying gallente, and that is minnie BS lvl 4 (later you probably want lvl 5, but lvl 4 is reasonable start). Then you are finished for your vindicator and got everything you need. Meanwhile for a machariel you need to completely train up your shield tanking skills and projectile turret skills. That is like saying when you got warp drive operation V finished you are pretty much ready to fly a dread.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:44:00 -
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I've seen it used fairly effectively in the low-sec small/solo gang PvP. Other than that, I dunno. I've never seen anything that impressed me enough to get me to train one.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.08 13:53:00 -
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Alot of people here are failing with the Kronos, it's sad. Doing anomalies in my Kronos vs, sansha/bloodraiders I get 80% isk/tick of carriers doing the same, but I get more isk/hour than they do as I can salvage and loot the entire anomaly within the time it takes me to finish it.
Cap is not an issue at all, running the MWD as much as needed to keep the rats within blaster range. 2x Tech 2 CCC rigs and gist x-type mwd is only 520m total...
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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ScheenK
Gallente
INGEN Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:42:00 -
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all you morons who say solo pvp kronos is ******ed because u wont be able to lock targets, if your roaming solo, your looking for a fight, meaning ur not camping a gate and trying to lock **** quickly, also it can be jammed easily ya good grand wonderful, fight on stations or gates, if u get jammed jump or dock, a ballsy man will fight elesewhere
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Julia Allrian
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Julia Allrian on 09/03/2011 11:16:05
Well i have a Kronos and Shield Tanked Navy Dominix.
Imho the ShieldFit dominix does the missions faster because of the Rails and 5 sentries, but the tank is not that impressive although i have if mostly faction fitted (to be able to fit everything essential, not poissible with just T2)
With blasters the Kronos does most missions reasonable fast and the range is sufficient with some mods.
The MWD/AB is not really needed that much and therefore also not the cap booster.
Shield Domi is funny and really fast but eats through CapBoosters. Fancy Ship
Kronos is more reliable. Solid Mission Ship.
I dont use the Navy Dominix anymore, it just collects dust now.
I cannot say anything about PvP since i dont fly any mission ships into lowsec or lower.
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