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Sulomon
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Posted - 2011.03.07 07:58:00 -
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Hey folks,
I'm rather newbish and was wondering if some seasoned players could give me some hints and tips about running an effective one man mining operation in EVE without having to poor too much money into it from the get go. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Sulomon
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Red Neckromonger
Gallente
The Embraced Of Eve
The Penguin Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.07 10:08:00 -
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If you're serious about a mining career, you need to skill into a Hulk asap. Download evemon if you haven't already. Between now and the time you can fly and fit a Hulk, you could mine in something as simple as the Navitas, but you may also consider a cruiser, and eventually the Retriever (mining barge 5 is a pain). The key is to try to build up a nice pile of isk for when it's time to buy a Hulk. If you choose to jet can mine, remember to never shoot the can flippers.
Best of luck to ya.
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Ferlia arian
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Posted - 2011.03.07 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ferlia arian on 07/03/2011 11:07:46
Halada's mining guide
this might have a lot of information on mining too that can be helpfull to you.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Ferlia arian
Edited by: Ferlia arian on 07/03/2011 11:07:46
Halada's mining guide
this might have a lot of information on mining too that can be helpfull to you.
This. Read the guide thoroughly and follow its advice.
Also, training drones and mining barges to V should be your primary goal starting out. That will give you a serviceable, efficient mining ship that can easily survive attacks from NPC pirates in high sec belts.
Also, the minerals derived from pyroxeres and kernite are extremely valuable on the market right now, so look for those rocks.
Jet can mine at your own risk. Can flippers are everywhere and are extremely patient when it comes to hassling miners. If you have a friend or a second account that can fly a hauler, use that to keep your mining ship from having to constantly run back and forth from station to belt to station.
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Soldarius
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:17:00 -
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^All of the above.
If you don't have a hauler friend/alt, best to use Giant Secure Containers. You will get can-flipped if you use jet cans in belts. At best, someone will just idle up and swipe your ore. Free is free after all.
Best cruiser miner is Osprey. |
Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:03:00 -
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^ none of the above
Almost anything else you do will earn you more isk.
If you decide to mission run the skills used for that carry across to other things like PvP a lot easier.
If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it, if you're "doing it for the isk" there are numerous better\eaier ways.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.03.08 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
^ none of the above
Almost anything else you do will earn you more isk.
If you decide to mission run the skills used for that carry across to other things like PvP a lot easier.
If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it, if you're "doing it for the isk" there are numerous better\eaier ways.
Failing to see where the OP wrote he was looking to maximize his isk/hour ratio.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.08 13:54:00 -
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Here is some advice for you regarding cans. Use a Giant Secure Container and anchor it from a mining spot that you can profit from. If you have a alt hauler, you can safely use the GSC to transfer ore back and forth between hauler and miner without having to worry about jetcan flippers stealing your stuff. Of course, some will annoy you by bumping you or orbiting real close to you, but the flippers still won't be able to access the can without the password you placed into the GSC.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.03.08 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Golanik
Originally by: Eastman Color
^ none of the above
Almost anything else you do will earn you more isk.
If you decide to mission run the skills used for that carry across to other things like PvP a lot easier.
If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it, if you're "doing it for the isk" there are numerous better\eaier ways.
Failing to see where the OP wrote he was looking to maximize his isk/hour ratio.
That's be where the "If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it" comes in doofus
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romex987
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:50:00 -
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If your heart is set on mining I would train up for a Hulk ASAP... and get t2 crystals etc etc T" mining laser upgrades fitted, Mining drones...
Ontop of this join a industrial corp that can supply whats called a mining boost, this boost will decrease the cycle time of your lasers and increase the range on your strip miners.
Just a after thought.
Missions are going to get you more isk/per especially if you salvage them aswell... especially when you hit level 4 mission's..
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Chiana Moro
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
Originally by: Golanik
Originally by: Eastman Color
^ none of the above
Almost anything else you do will earn you more isk.
If you decide to mission run the skills used for that carry across to other things like PvP a lot easier.
If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it, if you're "doing it for the isk" there are numerous better\eaier ways.
Failing to see where the OP wrote he was looking to maximize his isk/hour ratio.
That's be where the "If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it" comes in doofus
So why did you post then? I mean if that was all you had to contribute?
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.09 14:09:00 -
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You can also start skilling directly for ice mining inside a mackinaw. This is a slightly different career with a bit different set of skills.
You can also start skilling gas harvesting, which has quite a good income if you do it in a wormhole.
Here you even dont neeed mining bargues at all. And the skills are completly different.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chiana Moro
Originally by: Eastman Color
Originally by: Golanik
Originally by: Eastman Color
^ none of the above
Almost anything else you do will earn you more isk.
If you decide to mission run the skills used for that carry across to other things like PvP a lot easier.
If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it, if you're "doing it for the isk" there are numerous better\eaier ways.
Failing to see where the OP wrote he was looking to maximize his isk/hour ratio.
That's be where the "If you actually enjoy mining, then go for it" comes in doofus
So why did you post then? I mean if that was all you had to contribute?
Exactly.
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Rheeii
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:54:00 -
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DONT DO IT
(mining that is)
It's not even a game...it's just crap. Especially solo with just 1 character.
I can see that changing if you're prepared to run many characters at teh same time doing it, but then it becomes about ISK because it's still not a game.
Game, being defined as something that's fun.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.19 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rheeii
DONT DO IT
(mining that is)
It's not even a game...it's just crap. Especially solo with just 1 character.
I can see that changing if you're prepared to run many characters at teh same time doing it, but then it becomes about ISK because it's still not a game.
Game, being defined as something that's fun.
Mining can be fun but she has a point.. Don't do it alone.. Join a good mining corp or start one.
Mining together gives you a chance to talk over skills and entertain each other as mining can be monotonous on it's own. It's work.. many people don't like to work alone or at all... especially in a game. Still, the most fun I've had in eve has been mining.
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Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.20 10:21:00 -
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To mine solo you need to be in a hulk with tech 2 mining laser upgrades in your lows. You also need an 'alt', on a 2nd account, which flys a hauler. It's easy getting into a Badger MK II and with rigs it can hold 17km3. Duel box and simply jettison your ore and have your hauler instantly pick it up. Of course having an Orca alt is preferable.
In high sec you can get away with tech1 drones, although I'd still recommend having 5 of them (Drones V). I'd also recommend staying away from busy systems; my corp used to be based 2 jumps from Amarr and we were almost constantly griefed.
Any reason why you want to mine solo by the way?
CEO
Enlightened Industries |
Comor Dunathis
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.03.24 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lovelocke
To mine solo you need to be in a hulk with tech 2 mining laser upgrades in your lows. You also need an 'alt', on a 2nd account, which flys a hauler. It's easy getting into a Badger MK II and with rigs it can hold 17km3. Duel box and simply jettison your ore and have your hauler instantly pick it up. Of course having an Orca alt is preferable.
I'm not really sure what the badger II gets you in this scenario. I don't think the rigged hauler + the alt account is really worth the extra 7k m3 if you use MLUs...
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Jester777
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Posted - 2011.04.03 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jester777 on 03/04/2011 06:51:26
./sigh.....
where to begin:
OKAY, so, you want to be a miner eh? okay.
the VERY first question you need to ask yourself is: why?
why be a miner? are you not interested in PvP? are you not interested in running Missions?
Second question to ask yourself: what?
when you are mining, what are you mining for? are you mining to sell everything off and make ISK? are you mining to turn everything into minerals to build stuff? (weapons, ammo, ships, etc)
either way, there are a few skills that you're going to want that no one (that i saw) has suggested to get skilled~up. for example. a Retriever can NOT make it across most standard~sized systems in 1 warp. it doesnt have the capacitor energy to do so. therefore, you should study the Certificates, and get all your Basic Core Certificates. do that, and you'll be just fine for Targeting (asteroids) and having enough Capacitor energy to warp across systems in 1 jump.
when you start mining, take a look at the Frigates and Cruisers first. look at which one gives Mining/Cargo bonuses. get into one (while you're skilling for your Mining Barge or Exhumer)
dont worry about your defensive skills unless you're going to mine in Amarr Space (the Blood Raiders HURT!!)
but i DO agree that you need @ least Drones 3 (if not Drones 5) to defend yourself against belt rats.
"sure, but how quickly can i get into a Hulk?!?"
my alt was skilled for a Retriever within 1 month, and a Hulk in a little over 2 months.
if you are mining for ISK, do NOT sell the ore. refine it and sell the minerals!!! even with the waste factor (having no refining/processing skills) you'll still net ALOT more isk per hour than selling the ore itself.
i also DO agree that mining solo is boring (unless you have miner chat in local or in a chat channel) so, i have stumbled upon this:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479083&page=1
i have yet to try it out, but it seems promising...
if you need any further advice, dont hesitate to mail me in~game /waves
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Gabbie Tinks
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Posted - 2011.04.03 11:23:00 -
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Quote:
if you are mining for ISK, do NOT sell the ore. refine it and sell the minerals!!! even with the waste factor (having no refining/processing skills) you'll still net ALOT more isk per hour than selling the ore itself.
Bad advice as written....What he should have said is check the price of the ore compared to what you can refine it for and sell it the way that nets the most ISK. With perfect refining and no tax rate of some you might find they will pay slightly better than you would get refining it with no skills so sell them the ore and you both profit. It can easily go the other way though which is where math comes in. Click a batch at station to refine and look at what you'll get from it (make sure you do complete batches so you don't count partial batches in the ore price. Use http://eve.grismar.net/ore/
For example.
Trit batch is 333 ore.
333 Veldspar @ say 5isk each buy order =1665 isk per batch
@ 100% refine 0 tax you get 1000 trit in a batch @ 3 isk each that is 3000 isk. (with max skills)
@80% refine it is 2400.00.
so if your 80% refine then if you can get 7.22 isk per ore you come out better to sell to someone else and let them refine it..and you BOTH make more isk..of course use current numbers from market and do your caculations prior to day you refine/sell.
@ 100% refine rate I could offer up to 9.01 isk and break even on the ore...so I might buy it at say 8.00 and us both make a tidy profit.
I used the chart linked and created a spreadsheet to get ore value per unit based on current mineral pricing and use that when I set up my buy orders.
So again he could be correct, but don't throw away ISK by not checking...
Quick check is start refine in station and look at the you receive column for 333 trit batch....use that to caculate. and repeat for each ore type your mining.
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Jester777
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:58:00 -
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ok yes, on THAT part, i stand corrected. check the market of the region you're in, and do the math on which method will yield the most ISK.
Ty for catching that Gabbie. i didnt even realize i had omitted that. lol
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