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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:17:00 -
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Hello everyone!
Like in previous years I'm running the CSM Vote Match! website. Vote Match! allows you to easily see which CSM candidates share your views and opinion, as well as allowing you to compare their points of view.
For those who've used this in the past you may be pleased to know candidates were now able to add explanations to their answers and many have used this opportunity! This should greatly increase the usefulness of their answers. Also, I've given the website slightly less terrible visuals.
You can get started here: http://match.eve-csm.com/step_2.php
The goal of Vote Match! is to provide an independant, unbiased platform that assists voters in making an informed choice. 45 Candidates have made a profile and are included in the matching process. 9 Candidates opted not to participate.
Note: my server isn't super beefy and the website can get quite heavy at times. Server Error 500's will probably happen occasionally due to the load. 
Dierdra Vaal
Vote Match! administrator
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Director Emeritus :: EVE University
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CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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CCP Diagoras
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:26:00 -
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I think this needs to be stickified.
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CCP Diagoras
Research and Statistics |
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:33:00 -
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Wow, nice website!
None of CSM candidates shares more than 69% of my thoughts, though.
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Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
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Posted - 2011.03.08 14:35:00 -
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Nice work, good to see there are some more options this round and atleast someones vote website is working as intended :P
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.03.08 15:58:00 -
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I've been waiting for this!
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.03.08 16:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Wow, nice website!
None of CSM candidates shares more than 69% of my thoughts, though.
They may, only maybe sometimes slightly more or less than you.
Also, some of the questions are asked in such a way that although one agrees with the underlying sentiment, if taken stricto sensu, the opposite answer had to be selected. Hence the comments.
At the end of the day, it's an indication, and you should check out the candidate's programs in more depth before making your choice.
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Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5. Running for CSM 6
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Helen Highwater
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Also, some of the questions are asked in such a way that although one agrees with the underlying sentiment, if taken stricto sensu, the opposite answer had to be selected. Hence the comments.
At the end of the day, it's an indication, and you should check out the candidate's programs in more depth before making your choice.
This is worth repeating.
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Helen Highwater for CSM 6. Death to bad ideas! |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.03.08 16:59:00 -
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I just wanted to thank Dierdra and any other folks that worked on the site, you guys did a good job. I did find some of the questions to be a bit odd, since folks could answer that several different areas were the highest priority, it seems like only once choice should have been allowed there.
Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/ |
Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.08 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Two step
I just wanted to thank Dierdra and any other folks that worked on the site, you guys did a good job. I did find some of the questions to be a bit odd, since folks could answer that several different areas were the highest priority, it seems like only once choice should have been allowed there.
I understand what you're saying, but if a candidate wants to contradict himself by claiming two different areas are both the single most important thing in Eve, they can :)
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CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Your Client
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:20:00 -
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on the "results page", Can you make it to where we can keep the questions in view while we scroll through the participants, i get lost having to drag side to side to see what candidates are for/against.
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:27:00 -
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Well based on the votematch I can hardly make a wrong choice as I get at least 50% from every candidate it seems :D
Never seen that happen in RL politics. 
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Your Client
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:29:00 -
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oh and can you implement a remove button, some of these people need to be filtered out from my screen.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.08 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Your Client
oh and can you implement a remove button, some of these people need to be filtered out from my screen.
both your suggestions are good ones, unfortunately I dont really have time at the moment to do the website restructuring required to make them happen :/
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Director Emeritus :: EVE University
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CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 08/03/2011 19:41:38
Edited by: Cearain on 08/03/2011 19:41:12
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Two step
I just wanted to thank Dierdra and any other folks that worked on the site, you guys did a good job. I did find some of the questions to be a bit odd, since folks could answer that several different areas were the highest priority, it seems like only once choice should have been allowed there.
I understand what you're saying, but if a candidate wants to contradict himself by claiming two different areas are both the single most important thing in Eve, they can :)
It should just ahve a 1-5 scale. Something like "I tend to agree very strongly - 5" or "I tend to disagree strongly - 1". That way someone who for example thought faction war was extremely important but not "the most important thing ccp can work on" could give that a 4 instead of having to give it the equivalant of a 2 (disagree)
It's just awkward wording it the way you do.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Weaselior on 08/03/2011 20:41:47
Originally by: CCP Diagoras
I think this needs to be stickified.
I'd like to object to this. As you can see through a cursory perusal of the questions asked, they're very slanted: I can determine nearly perfectly what the answer the author thought was correct is.
edit:
This is also significant in what questions were asked vs. not asked.
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Joran Dravius
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.08 21:54:00 -
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Awesome site.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Two step
I just wanted to thank Dierdra and any other folks that worked on the site, you guys did a good job. I did find some of the questions to be a bit odd, since folks could answer that several different areas were the highest priority, it seems like only once choice should have been allowed there.
I understand what you're saying, but if a candidate wants to contradict himself by claiming two different areas are both the single most important thing in Eve, they can :)
They can, and it will make them match higher, especially if most users agree with more than one choice.
Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/ |
Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 01:37:00 -
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Not all the candidates are on this.
Can candidates still get on this or is it closed?
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 02:03:00 -
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Ahoy Dierdra,
you have send me an invite to your tool,
and i looked at it a few days ago.
Now while i'm sure that this did cost you quite a bit work, i will not add myself to it.
I don't want to suggest you would do such thing on purpose, since i know you put in alot work for the community, but the tool is just not neutral enough. The questions are mostly stuff that the eve blogger scene is posting about, and another large chunk is stuff from the forums here - while the contents of the campaigns of some candidates are not covered properly.
I feel no matter what i answer, the set of questions does not allow me to show why i want people to vote for me.
Also, when promoting such a tool, which should be neutral, you might want to rethink endorsing specific candidates in the bio of the character promoting it, otherwise it looks... strange.
Vote Peter Powers for CSM6!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.09 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Powers
I don't want to suggest you would do such thing on purpose, since i know you put in alot work for the community, but the tool is just not neutral enough. The questions are mostly stuff that the eve blogger scene is posting about, and another large chunk is stuff from the forums here - while the contents of the campaigns of some candidates are not covered properly.
Perhaps new questions could be suggested?
All surveys are biased due to the nature of the beast. How you represent yourself through the survey is up to you. Note that Ripard Teg and Mike Azariah have commented extensively about their answers.
Some of the questions are obviously loaded, others are missing (nerf super carriers is missing, for example), it is up to the candidates to position themselves in the space mapped out by the survey. What non-drone compounds are there that factor in the resource generation of the game?
But I feel there are questions that are important which were not asked, and the slant of the questions tends to imply that people think the CSM has driving power, rather than a share of steering power.
Thank you Diedre for the site, warts and all :)
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FlyingSpaghettiMonster
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Posted - 2011.03.09 06:15:00 -
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Diedra- some comments.
I agree with the above posters that the questions with "highest priority" should be modified. Regardless of whether or not the CSM members themselves actually are somehow wanting multiple most important sections, a simple change to "high priority" instead of highest above and beyond all else will cause it to flow more. Also, it makes those answering want to modify their answers, so they make one higher than the other.
In the comparison page, could you please make the questions and your own answers on the left static (is that the word? Not a web designer.), while the candidates list can be scrolled, for easy comparison? Currently if I scroll the entire screen to far over to see the far right candidates, I lose seeing what question I am on and what my own answers were, so I have to keep scrolling back and forth to keep track. |
Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.09 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 09/03/2011 10:46:56
The questions were worded as 'highest' in order to highlight the dilemma: if you have to choose one feature over another, would you? Because the CSM does affect the priority of development, and if the entire CSM tells CCP "we believe 0.0 is the single most important part of the game", that may well become reflected in the priority CCP gives to 0.0 development. It is important for voters to know which area of the game a candidate will most likely push for.
Originally by: Cearain
Not all the candidates are on this.
Can candidates still get on this or is it closed?
Some candidates (like peter powers) chose not to participate despite multiple evemails being sent to them. sign ups are now closed.
I disagree that I - as a pilot - should be completely neutral because I make this website: the website is transparent in its operation. Questions were simply chosen to be divisive and polarising, and focus on the most popular issues of the moment. This unfortunately means some people will feel misrepresented.
I also disagree that the questions are biased or leading: there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer, just a statement you either agree or disagree with. And we see that all questions have people both agreeing and disagreeing with them. For anyone not happy with this website, you're welcome to make a better one yourself.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:31:00 -
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Thank you for this awesome tool.
I used it and then looked at what my personal keypoints were in regards to priorities and compare them with all CSM candidates.
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Gehen Sealbreaker
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:40:00 -
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Thank you for running this service again Dierdra :)
I read some players concerns about VoteMatch being rigged to influence their votes. I can confirm them that, as a candidate, the answers displayed on this website are those I entered, and were not tampered with in any way.
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Gehen Sealbreaker
Candidate for CSM 6 ! - "The universe is ours" |
Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:01:00 -
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Thnx for this tool though i personally find its use limited. it does send me in the right direction somewhat but i'm missing the extended ideas from the candidates. It might be under the text balloon but the mouse over is not working for me though it does on the other mouse overs.
My main issue is that though i agree that the industry side of eve needs alot of love (especially the mining direction) it does not mean that's my main voting point. I do however end up with someone who is running almost completely on a "carebear" base. He might have issues concerning ship balance and 0.0 developments but i'm pretty limited in viewing their complete stance on things. i know i could go to their own portals/websites to read their extended views on things but it would be usefull to be able to get it from the tool itself. As said a more in depth answer on some issues could be under the balloon but that's not mousing over for me..dunno if i'm the only one (IE8.0.7600.16385)
The main thing i'm really feeling limited in is the extend of the questionaire. Sure i can agree that low sec needs development but in what way would my vote match with someone running, since he could have completely different ideas about fixing it than i do. Even though i might agree with him on the base level i might totally not agree with the way he wants to handle things.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.09 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Diagoras
I think this needs to be stickified.
Good Job.
Also @OP: Excellent job /bow
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Originally by: Goose99
In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Some candidates (like peter powers) chose not to participate despite multiple evemails being sent to them. sign ups are now closed.
Why are they now closed?
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Dracnys
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:36:00 -
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Great job! Certainly helps me to filter all the candidates. However my vote won't just go to the person with the highest match (which is 76%) as I try not to vote someone who's terribly unlikely to make it to a seat anyway.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:41:00 -
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I either allow candidates to fill in/change their profile, or allow users to vote match. If I were to do both, candidates could try to change their answers to tailor them to what they perceive are the answers most likely to give them high match percentages, as well as preventing me to get accurate metrics on the answers/matching after the elections (as data then may not necessarily be equal to the data during the election).
Candidates were given a week to fill in their profile and received a reminder mail on top of the initial evemail urging them to make their profile. Some have obviously chosen not to do this (which is entirely their call).
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 16:09:36
A week seems a short time. How do you know they even read the eve-mail?
Also my question is *why* is it now cut off. Not describe the cut off deadline. It seems pretty arbitrary.
Since it is clear at this point the Dierdra Vaal is not accepting all the candidates submissions, I would ask that it be unstickied. It's not fair that ccp stickies the views of some candidates and not others.
If all the candidates can contribute to this, and arbitrary deadlines that may have been enforced in a biased way, are not preventing anyone from submitting their views then I have no objection to the sticky.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 16:09:36
A week seems a short time. How do you know they even read the eve-mail?
Also my question is *why* is it now cut off. Not describe the cut off deadline. It seems pretty arbitrary.
Since it is clear at this point the Dierdra Vaal is not accepting all the candidates submissions, I would ask that it be unstickied. It's not fair that ccp stickies the views of some candidates and not others.
If all the candidates can contribute to this, and arbitrary deadlines that may have been enforced in a biased way, are not preventing anyone from submitting their views then I have no objection to the sticky.
I think I can answer that simply.
If you can't bother to check your mails during a candidacy campaign, how the hell are you gonna manage when you even get elected to represent people.
First thing I always do on all my accounts when logging in is check mails. My corpmates know this and they know they can talk as much as they want, my mails first.
As to the cut off. Equally simple. Candidates has sufficient time to respond and fill out the form. If they can't be bothered to either read their mails or fill out a form why would others bother to keep everything open?
A service was offered to those who didn't get onto the form. They, for some reason, didn't take up the offer and as such aren't included.
Simple enough?
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 17:43:07
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Cearain
Edited by: Cearain on 09/03/2011 16:09:36
A week seems a short time. How do you know they even read the eve-mail?
Also my question is *why* is it now cut off. Not describe the cut off deadline. It seems pretty arbitrary.
Since it is clear at this point the Dierdra Vaal is not accepting all the candidates submissions, I would ask that it be unstickied. It's not fair that ccp stickies the views of some candidates and not others.
If all the candidates can contribute to this, and arbitrary deadlines that may have been enforced in a biased way, are not preventing anyone from submitting their views then I have no objection to the sticky.
I think I can answer that simply.
If you can't bother to check your mails during a candidacy campaign, how the hell are you gonna manage when you even get elected to represent people.
First thing I always do on all my accounts when logging in is check mails. My corpmates know this and they know they can talk as much as they want, my mails first.
As to the cut off. Equally simple. Candidates has sufficient time to respond and fill out the form. If they can't be bothered to either read their mails or fill out a form why would others bother to keep everything open?
A service was offered to those who didn't get onto the form. They, for some reason, didn't take up the offer and as such aren't included.
Simple enough?
Some players have real lives that sometimes may take them to places where they have no internet access for a week. And some players have real lives that means they do not even log in every week. IÆm not sure that these candidates should automatically be ruled out. And yeah maybe a candidate canÆt get to answering your set of 40 questions in under a week.
Anyway IÆm glad you have all sorts of time and log in checking your eve mail every day. But that is not a requirement of a good candidate.
Why do you think itÆs a bother to keep it open? The op never said it would be any sort of bother to allow those candidates to submit their views. I think the op doesnÆt like the candidates who didnÆt submit their answers so decided he would close it. CCP is giving this personÆs views of candidates he likes or doesnÆt like a top spot on the forum.
Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why. CCP knows that, yet they are still going to give this persons biased website a top spot on the forum. ThatÆs not how you run an unbiased election.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why.
i have to jump in here - as i explained, i decided not to put myself on that tool, because i think the selection of questions excludes people by ignoring their campaign topics in the questions.
imho the time that candidates had to fill in their information to this tool was ok, also its based on ccps schedule from announcement to voting etc.
if a candidate does not find the time in a week - which is the main campaign week, thats a different subject, and those candidates need to look at how important the hobby eve is to them, and if they can actually spare the time that the csm will require from 'em if they are voted in.
Vote Peter Powers for CSM6!
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:48:00 -
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I'll vote for the one who thinks we should be enabled to have a bloodline/race change. Now who's the one??
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:54:00 -
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As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.
I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 09/03/2011 19:07:40
Originally by: Cearain
Why do you think itÆs a bother to keep it open? The op never said it would be any sort of bother to allow those candidates to submit their views. I think the op doesnÆt like the candidates who didnÆt submit their answers so decided he would close it. CCP is giving this personÆs views of candidates he likes or doesnÆt like a top spot on the forum.
Bottom line: candidates were excluded from this (not just peter powers btw) and no good answer is offered as to why. CCP knows that, yet they are still going to give this persons biased website a top spot on the forum. ThatÆs not how you run an unbiased election.
Oh how wrong you are 
The cut off date was set when I sent evemails to everyone, regardless of which candidates did or did not fill in. If you're campaigning for a seat on the CSM and you cannot manage to check your evemails once during that week then I'm sorry but I have to enable voting before the election starts. Even now voters only had a day to use the website BEFORE voting opened. Personally I feel a week during a promotion period should be sufficient for any candidate who is serious about wanting to get elected.
If you're donating money to have the system rewritten so candidates can ADD a profile but not EDIT an existing profile during the voting period, I'd happily give you my bank account.
As for implying I'm excluding candidates I don't like is ridiculous since I really hope Peter Powers will get elected, while there's several people who did make profiles whom I hope won't get elected.
Originally by: Kalrand
As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.
I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.
You received an evemail from me with your login details on 2011.03.02 00:31, you also received a reminder evemail 2011.03.04 13:41. I'll happily provide screenshots of my Sent folder :)
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Kalrand
As someone actually running for CSM, I've never heard of this website before today.
I've also had no interaction with the owner, and don't see why she's presenting this as some table of who you should vote for based on all of the CSM candidates' positions.
You received an evemail from me with your login details on 2011.03.02 00:31, you also received a reminder email 2011.03.04 13:41. I'll happily provide screenshots of my Sent folder :)
If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.
A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.
A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?
I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to your evemails. This is the first announcement of this project (this election round, there were announcements for the CSM5 and 4 elections too) because this is the part where it is useful for the community at large. I'm a bit surprised none of the other 4-5 goons mentioned this to you; the mittani was one of the first people to fill out his profile and I'm quite sure he too gets a lot of evemails.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Kalrand
If you had any idea how many eve-mails I get, you would know why that's a bad way to reach out to people.
A forum post will always attract my attention. Why was this the first announcement of this project?
I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to your evemails. This is the first announcement of this project (this election round, there were announcements for the CSM5 and 4 elections too) because this is the part where it is useful for the community at large. I'm a bit surprised none of the other 4-5 goons mentioned this to you; the mittani was one of the first people to fill out his profile and I'm quite sure he too gets a lot of evemails.
If I was in league with those other goons for this election, I'm sure they would have mentioned it to me. I'm not. They didn't.
Something I've noticed in this game, is that when someone runs a site from year to year, they do eventually burn out. I don't take for granted that a player will run anything again, just because they have before.
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 20:18:00 -
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DV
This is the first time you indicated it would cost extra money. How much extra would it cost to add a profile late? Who charges it? And can you offer a link to what you are talking about?
I guess I question this because the first time I asked why you won't add candidates you said nothing about money. It would seem that would be the obvious and easy first answer to my question, if it were true.
My evemail is constantly blinking because of agents telling me missions expire or some garbage about insurance etc. I and as you can see others that play this game do not always check their evemail. Checking your evemail is not a requirement to run. Moreover if someone came back from a business trip on the fifth day after you sent it, it is not really reasonable to assume they will get right to it.
Karland is yet another person that you seem to be excluding. If youÆre saying it will cost more money to add new candidates explain this. If you are just excluding them because you donÆt like them, then that is something different. CCP shouldnÆt be promoting your own agenda in this campaign.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Osunn
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Posted - 2011.03.09 22:14:00 -
[41]
Thanks for the tool - it helped. As for the folks who did not respond to email, you are a poor politician.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:04:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Cearain
This is the first time you indicated it would cost extra money. How much extra would it cost to add a profile late? Who charges it? And can you offer a link to what you are talking about?
No I'm saying in order to change the websites programming to allow candidates to be added later you're looking at at least a few full days' work. Time which I don't have, or at least not time I can just spend on that project.
Despite some of them being being very busy corp and alliance level CEOs, 45 candidates managed to fill in the survey in the week that was allotted to this. I was a director every time I ran and despite getting 40+ new mails every day (this was back when directors still got a mail for every person that applied to their corp) I was able to check my mails and act on/reply to them in a timely fashion. Now you may not like it, but I'm happy with the signup period and the messaging and it's not going to change. Checking your evemail is not a requirement to run but trust me, it becomes a requirement to be a good CSM once you're elected.
I'm not excluding anyone, people exclude themselves by not keeping track of their evemails and that is not my fault.
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CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Shalamar Bladesinger
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:58:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Shalamar Bladesinger on 10/03/2011 00:59:36
i went to use it and i got an error. all i did was answer the questions on what i want and got this. i am posting this since i don;t know were else it would go since it relates to this site. i also wrote down the time that it broke for me too. i tried e-mailing them, but for a mail demon error. here is what it said:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [email protected] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
it happened at 1:39PM CST(-6 UTC)
What is life to bring us in the coming darkness? Triumph? Honor? Respect? Horror? |
Imigo Montoya
Hysterically Unforgiving
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:52:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cearain
*snip*
This is a non-issue. CCP had all sorts of requirements for candidates like filling in the forms, providing passport details, formatting the candidate's blurb, all of which had deadlines. These deadlines have been added for technical and administrative purposes, it really is that simple.
This service is no different.
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Major Lucky
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:00:00 -
[45]
Great Product Thank you !!!!!!
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Linna Excel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:16:00 -
[46]
I tried using it, but I ended up getting a 500 error. :\
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:23:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Cearain
*snip*
This is a non-issue. CCP had all sorts of requirements for candidates like filling in the forms, providing passport details, formatting the candidate's blurb, all of which had deadlines. These deadlines have been added for technical and administrative purposes, it really is that simple.
This service is no different.
CCP enforced those requirements to make sure the enforcement was not done in an arbitrary or biased way. Not so with this. Who gets to post their views on this site is totally up to the arbitrary and biased views of one player.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:26:00 -
[48]
Just wanted to say thank you for this useful tool in helping me decide who to vote for.
Thank you, your effort is appreciated.
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Varnik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:46:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Linna Excel
I tried using it, but I ended up getting a 500 error. :\
Me too with 2 different browsers
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Alteran Commander
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:09:00 -
[50]
Thanks for the help. I still wish I could do a preference vote though 
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Habaticus
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.10 05:16:00 -
[51]
Great tool - Thanks
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Darius III
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Posted - 2011.03.10 08:09:00 -
[52]
Funny, I took the survey and it said to vote for
Joseph Ward Morris as Darius III
He was singled out as best candidate.
Weird-it said he was 100% compatible....
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.10 09:28:00 -
[53]
Sorry guys, server errors will happen occasionally as my little server strains under the load. Pressing F5 after 30 seconds or so should fix it :)
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CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Sapphire Fangborn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 10:08:00 -
[54]
I'm a new player, just upgraded my trial acct. :) Found the link very useful, so it looks like Kumi Katana will get my vote! I'm very excited about the coming Incarna expansion; all good space operas have live people in them after all!
Cheers,
Sapph
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Ms PacMan
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2011.03.11 02:59:00 -
[55]
The questions didn't match my campaign, so i did not participate.
Next year i would like to see some other questions in vote match or have the community pick the questions.
Kind regards.
Ms PacMan
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.03.11 07:10:00 -
[56]
Well.. appreciate the insight; but that was absolutely useless for me.
Best match was Mike Azaria at 63%; and down the list from there. The problem however, is that each canditate; either feels strongly, opposing me, about something, or identifies something as important, while opposing my opinion. Some of these are non-issues; but others, I can't agree with. Good.. good.. goo.. bad.. bad.. bad... Crap! Which tells me I shouldn't vote for anyone.
Nerf Titan Jump Bridges? Couldn't care less! Nerf Sov Jump Bridges? You bet your ass!
CCP should spend all it's time improving nullsec? Not likely.
CCP should develop an entire expansion to improving the UI? I'm sure Trebor would love this; I however, do not, and think not. Some time? part of an expansion? Sure, why not.
..oh yeah.. let's make everything keyboard short cut's, and clickies; so it can be fully hackable. Good idea! yeah.. right. I don't think so.
Let's see.. what else was there?
How about, a monthly rebalance of ships and weapons? Nope. I agree, it should be done; but I'm not going to agree with anyone who feels strongly about it; much less, concludes that it is 'Very Important.' Once would be great; followed again, in six years, or six months. Whichever comes first.
..let's not waste any more time than we have too.
Lot's more. Can't remember it all.
Site was running fine by the way; didn't have any lag whatsoever. ..maybe it was just quiet time :)
Cheers,
Temon
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:53:00 -
[57]
Filled in form, hit submit
Quote:
Notice: Undefined index: grid in /home/fhlinux130/m/match.eve-csm.com/user/htdocs/step_3.php on line 65 Fatal error: Call to a member function getQuestions() on a non-object in /home/fhlinux130/m/match.eve-csm.com/user/htdocs/step_3.php on line 36
Go back, form's reset. RAGE!  |
Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:49:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cassus Temon
Well.. appreciate the insight; but that was absolutely useless for me.
Best match was Mike Azaria at 63%; and down the list from there. The problem however, is that each canditate; either feels strongly, opposing me, about something, or identifies something as important, while opposing my opinion. Some of these are non-issues; but others, I can't agree with. Good.. good.. goo.. bad.. bad.. bad... Crap! Which tells me I shouldn't vote for anyone.
If the website had not excluded certain candidates, it would be very nice.
It is really the only mechanism that tells you how these candidates will actually vote on proposals. The campaign posts herein Jita are mostly fluff.
Of course if someone says they ôdisagreeö that ccp have one thing be a priority over all others and you think they should û well that may cause a big discrepancy in the percentage. Maybe that candidate thinks ccp should spend allot of their time on that but not more than everything else therefore they disagree.
It was pointed out that these sorts of questions cause problems to the mechanic if they are answered honestly. So you have to sort it out for yourself and not just go by the percentage. If someone ôagreesö ôagrees stronglyö to one thing being a priority over everything else then the only truly honest answers to the rest these sorts of priority questions would be disagree or disagree strongly. But that doesnÆt necessarily give an accurate overall reading of their perspective.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:12:00 -
[59]
Oh god the website is telling me to vote for seriousinternetpolitician.com.
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Kumi Katana
Caldari
Order of the Orange Lion
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Posted - 2011.03.14 03:25:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Thanks for the website Dierdra! This should help a lot of capsuleers to vote for those that come closest to their needs. Although unfortunately a lot still will have some difficulties.
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2011.03.16 04:00:00 -
[61]
I'm not actually part of this 
At any rate, I'd like to think that those who really care who to vote for actually do some reading themselves than have some numbers thrown at them
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Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
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Posted - 2011.03.16 19:57:00 -
[62]
I would like to thank Dierdra for the SERVICE she offered to the community as a whole. As far as I can see, no one else provided this service; no one else was willing to commit the effort to creating such a site; and no one felt that the 'improvements' they feel are necessary to make the site useful warranted the effort to make those changes.
This site is the best site of its type for this election.
As a voter, use this site or not, I don't care - just VOTE.
As a candidate - I cannot imagine running a campaign and NOT availing myself of all opportunities to get my positions out there.
Thanks again Dierdra, I hope that such a service will be around for the next CSM
Kind Regards,
Knug LiDi
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If only we could fall into another's arms,
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Shozanha
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Posted - 2011.03.17 13:58:00 -
[63]
Highest Match was 50% lowest was 35% but when I actually read what the lowest matched said vs the highest match it was a more accurate reflection of what the CSM can and would likely do. Anyways it was nice to have a place to find peoples platforms all condensed together. Vote cast and thank you all for your commitment to the game and its improvement.
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Eleionomae
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:09:00 -
[64]
Thanks for creating this useful site.
After reading some of the comments on the issues made by the candidates I kept thinking the following -
- is that person serious about that issues or are they joking?
- will the devs be listening to that persons and think they really represent the average player?
I may be pointing out the obvious but some manifestos seem to be the work of trolls or some type of meta gamer.
It is nice that ccp do this type of focus group market research but I don't see anyone who I want to vote for but a few who I hope don't get elected.
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Morfig
Caldari
De Re Metallica
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:36:00 -
[65]
Hi There,
Just letting you know that I found this site most valuable for my making my decision.
Nice work.
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Johnny Lou
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Posted - 2011.03.18 07:59:00 -
[66]
first of all: great job, thanks.
second: There's one question I would have added: "Should old players be allowed in NPC corps?"
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Ms PacMan
Caldari
Eye of God
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.22 12:24:00 -
[67]
In case your vote-match result didn't suit you so well then vote for Ms PacMan.
Ms PacMan the fix nullsec CSM, more challenge for pirates and empire corporations
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Aurora Mundi
Gallente
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.22 20:04:00 -
[68]
This is a wonderful resource, Dierdra. As a relative newcomer to the world of EVE, I could not have possibly gleaned from all the candidate statements how strongly they felt about the wide range of issues facing the CSM. CSM vote match helped me avoid the common mistake of selecting a well-spoken candidate who happens to support gameplay revisions to which I am diametrically opposed.
The vote match is a great starting point, and I am grateful I did not have to read every candidate statement or personal web page before voting. Thank you!
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