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Fishslapper
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Posted - 2011.03.09 04:57:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Why is it everytime we have an extended DT, is ALWAYS in the bloody middle of the evening for us aussies (and otheras arounf the +9 to +11 TZ)
Perhaps we should look at how many aussies, kiwis, and other people from asia/oceania and hour many hours we get get ripped over a single year... Perhaps people in the TZ could get a small extension to our 'gametime' to compensate now and then...
2 hours out in 2 subsequent evenings makes me want to go play another game... Either spread out your extended DT's or compensate us please...
We get LESS value for money than others...
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Stan Smith
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Posted - 2011.03.09 04:59:00 -
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0/10
probably because the extended downtime is around lunchtime for the european time zones, and really early in the north american time zones which probably account for a good percentage of the playerbase
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Fishslapper
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:00:00 -
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Then rather than move the DT's, compensate those in that TZ for being screwed with everytime CCP needs to make a change?
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TigerXtrm
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:01:00 -
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No problem, we'll just ask CCP staff in Iceland to get up somewhere at 3AM to accomodate you. No problem at all dude. God forbid you have to miss out on this game for a few hours. 
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Licinius CrassusFilius
Space Construction and Research
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:02:00 -
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Australian player base is what 5 - 6%?
Ok, let's do some math. Do I set downtime when it affects 95% of my player base or 5%?
Can I phone a friend on that one.
It has always been this way and it was this way when you started playing. Get over it (and yes I am Australian and I don't have to whine at DT). Perhaps you should go and play another game. That would be one less whiner on these damn forums. Only 149,999 to go.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:16:00 -
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Same gripe, different MMO.
They have to be down at some point for stuff. They schedule it to impact the least amount of players possible. Sorry you fall in a bad time zone for availability.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Barakkus
Same gripe, different MMO from yet another whining Aussie with some misplaced sense of entitlement.
They have to be down at some point for stuff. They schedule it to impact the least amount of players possible
and to have the maximum number of staff available should things go wrong. As others pointed out, Aussies make up a very small total % of the player base and yet the Icelandic/British Devs make up a massive % of total operational staff so regardless of how it impacts you, the DT makes sense.
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Tyburn Stannis
Caldari
Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:21:00 -
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Yay, another self-centred whine from someone who chooses to play a game based on the other side of the planet, then demands it is run to their personal time schedule. Jog on.
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Lex Dante
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tyburn Stannis
Yay, another self-centred whine from someone who chooses to play a game based on the other side of the planet, then demands it is run to their personal time schedule. Jog on.
Yay, another self-aggrandizing waste of time from someone who seems to think they're CCP staff.
We all know you'd be the biggest, whiniest ***** if this was happening to you. And so do you.
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Tyburn Stannis
Caldari
Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:44:00 -
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Dear Australia.
Please move the kick-off of the State of Origin series so it is more convenient for me to watch in the evenings. I pay my TV bills so I have as much right to watch it as you do, but it must happen at my convenience and nothing to do with the location it is held in or timezone of the majority of interested parties / ticket-holders / staff.
If you refuse I will throw my toys out of the pram and start claiming you are related to the head of the network, since I am unable to come up with a more reasoned response than "no u".
Sincerely yours, Europe.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fishslapper
Dear CCP,
Why is it everytime we have an extended DT, is ALWAYS in the bloody middle of the evening for us aussies (and otheras arounf the +9 to +11 TZ)
Perhaps we should look at how many aussies, kiwis, and other people from asia/oceania and hour many hours we get get ripped over a single year... Perhaps people in the TZ could get a small extension to our 'gametime' to compensate now and then...
2 hours out in 2 subsequent evenings makes me want to go play another game... Either spread out your extended DT's or compensate us please...
We get LESS value for money than others...
UK/ICELANDIC BUSINESS HOURS!!11!!! Every bloody time you people whine about this god kills 3 orphans, 2 newborn babies and at least 2 dozen kittens so please, PLEASE shut the **** up about downtime. It has always been at this time and it will remain at this time until the eventual goal has been reached of having zero downtime.
You aren't entitled to diddly squat in the way of compensation so forget it. I suggest you go and read the EULA and the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up to play this game.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter
bombs everyone to Narnia
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Ammo truck23
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:57:00 -
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Meanwhile in Australia...
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:57:00 -
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Poasting in a whine thread.
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Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:00:00 -
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What Australia should do for a better downtime spot -
Australia
(An oldie but a goody...)
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Kerosene
Caldari
V I R I I
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:05:00 -
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This was being discussed since the dawn of eve time.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/88254
Only difference now is that downtime doesn't take just 10 minutes any more  . I live in the UK and I still believe that downtime should be moved an hour earlier. But If they haven't done it in the last 8 years, they aren't going to do it now.
I do feel the pain of people GMT+8 to GMT+11 and believe it should move.
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Eve. Eve eve eve eve. EVE. Eve. Eve eve eve eve eve eve EVE eve eve. - Kerosene
The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:06:00 -
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dt is fine where it is
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I Love Boobies
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:08:00 -
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To the OP: You're definitely not the first person to whine about this. Instead of coming to the forums and whining, do something more constructive. How about moving to a time zone more compatible with your playing time? It's just as feasible as CCP moving the downtime. The downtimes happen during normal business hours in the UK/Iceland. So do like the rest of us, bear with it.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Karia Sur on 09/03/2011 12:09:40
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
I suggest you go and read the EULA and the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up to play this game.
Quote:
Conduct. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
With respect, the EULA is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard if you get down to the nitty gritty of it......and of course you have the selling ISK part of the EULA as well.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
HOT CHICKZ
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:10:00 -
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I like it when the server dies in US prime time... Then the whining really starts.
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Maximillian Dragonard
The Social Club
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:15:00 -
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Why, oh why.... periodically we get one of these whines. It's been going on certainly since I started, and I assume since launch era, DT's have gotten so much shorter, unplanned DT's so much rarer, yet people still whine.....
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:01:00 -
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CCP doesn't hate Aussies. CCP hates you.
"Band of Brothers" reference.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Karia Sur
Edited by: Karia Sur on 09/03/2011 12:09:40
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
I suggest you go and read the EULA and the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up to play this game.
Quote:
Conduct. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
With respect, the EULA is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard if you get down to the nitty gritty of it......and of course you have the selling ISK part of the EULA as well.
Seriously **** poor attempt to derail this thread you idiot. Now go and find the section of the EULA and T&C's where it says that CCP can do whatever the hell they please with regards to THEIR game and that you only rent access to their server. These morons keep asking for compensation, or for downtime to be moved and its just not going to happen.
If people bothered to do a little bit of homework before shelling out money to play a game, finding out things like "is there a downtime and if so when" then EVE would be a much better place. After 8 years of downtime being when it is, it gets more than a little tiring seeing idiots whining about it. Here is a simple solution for those of you who really don't like it. DON'T PLAY EVE ANYMORE. there, simple.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 15:13:02
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 15:12:03
Does Sky Sports give out refunds to its customers in the UK when The Ashes are being held in Australia?
Do they insist that the matches are played during the middle of the night so that UK viewers can watch them?
No.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Does Sky Sports give out refunds to its customers in the UK when The Ashes are being held in Australia?
Of course not. They'd go bankrupt.
<runs away form angry brits />
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Chandaris
Gallente
Lethal Devotion
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:52:00 -
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because australia time zone represents the smallest percentage of the player base, so you draw the short straw..
sucks, but what ya gonna do?
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:57:00 -
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because no one gives a crap about the aussies
...except me, i love your women.. ship me some.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.09 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fishslapper
Dear CCP,
Why is it everytime we have an extended DT, is ALWAYS in the bloody middle of the evening for us aussies (and otheras arounf the +9 to +11 TZ)
Perhaps we should look at how many aussies, kiwis, and other people from asia/oceania and hour many hours we get get ripped over a single year... Perhaps people in the TZ could get a small extension to our 'gametime' to compensate now and then...
2 hours out in 2 subsequent evenings makes me want to go play another game... Either spread out your extended DT's or compensate us please...
We get LESS value for money than others...
Whenever they start taking the server down for only your TZ then you will get less value for your money than others. As it stands now, everybody loses 2 hours of server time when the server is down for 2 hours.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:04:00 -
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CCP should just do away with downtimes of any time. Run the server until it grinds to a halt because of old age!
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:07:00 -
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"George Bush doesn't like Aussies"
Hoppit!
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San Severina
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:25:00 -
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+1
Why not put a few extended DT's in the middle of USA peak times, srsly CCP I'm starting to think you don't care about us at all!
With the amount of hotfixes & patches & more fixes we are getting lately half the time I log on during the week I get about 15 minutes playtime before another extended DT.
We pay the same as the rest of the World & this is how we get treated - nullLike Second Class Citizens.
I'm one Aussie player that is really getting fed up with it.
To the trolls in this tread - eat my ****!
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Karia Sur
Edited by: Karia Sur on 09/03/2011 12:09:40
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
I suggest you go and read the EULA and the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up to play this game.
Quote:
Conduct. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
With respect, the EULA is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard if you get down to the nitty gritty of it......and of course you have the selling ISK part of the EULA as well.
Seriously **** poor attempt to derail this thread you idiot. Now go and find the section of the EULA and T&C's where it says that CCP can do whatever the hell they please with regards to THEIR game and that you only rent access to their server. These morons keep asking for compensation, or for downtime to be moved and its just not going to happen.
If people bothered to do a little bit of homework before shelling out money to play a game, finding out things like "is there a downtime and if so when" then EVE would be a much better place. After 8 years of downtime being when it is, it gets more than a little tiring seeing idiots whining about it. Here is a simple solution for those of you who really don't like it. DON'T PLAY EVE ANYMORE. there, simple.
You really are a sad sorry little man.
Maybe CCP should mention when they market the game to Asia/Pacific players that we will be treated as second class citizens. Just sayin!
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:32:00 -
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I don't see a problem with this tbh... just switch it around, every week another 6h... so (using GMT as base) 12 afternoon, 6 evening, 12 at night, 6 in the morning.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.03.09 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
I don't see a problem with this tbh...
You don't see the problem? You realise the server is down because people are working on it?
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2011.03.09 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
I like it when the server dies in US prime time... Then the whining really starts.
^^ This & Damn what a bunch of selfish, self centered, entitled a$$ H01 es- those of you who have stated we should all go jump in Asia/Pacific TZ.
News flash - you guys are not that great, in fact the rest of the World ( & you are a minority ) hates your guts. It's really not hard to see why.
First to complain if something affects you but absolutely unable to tolerate anybody else demanding the same treatment. That's why you sit in your relative comfort & are comfortable watching near neighbors starve to death.
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Stan Smith
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
I don't see a problem with this tbh... just switch it around, every week another 6h... so (using GMT as base) 12 afternoon, 6 evening, 12 at night, 6 in the morning.
or not
here's why your idea wont work. the little guys in iceland who work on the game, are people. what if your boss told you you had to come in at midnight one week, 6am the next and so on and so on. downtime is when ccp has the most people who can work on the server at the time. if the variable schedule downtime is implemented, you'll see a lot of devs jumping ship because they cant spend time with their families and friends because they have to go to work at midnight on say a friday night.
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Macaya
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Fishslapper
Dear CCP,
Why is it everytime we have an extended DT, is ALWAYS in the bloody middle of the evening for us aussies (and otheras arounf the +9 to +11 TZ)
Perhaps we should look at how many aussies, kiwis, and other people from asia/oceania and hour many hours we get get ripped over a single year... Perhaps people in the TZ could get a small extension to our 'gametime' to compensate now and then...
2 hours out in 2 subsequent evenings makes me want to go play another game... Either spread out your extended DT's or compensate us please...
We get LESS value for money than others...
Dear Sir,
Would you like some cheese with that whine ?
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Lady Naween
Amarr
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:51:00 -
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I to would like if the server came out of downtime at my peak play time after the now very short downtimes (ok not this week) so all the roids/officers/whatever have just spawned compared to comming home after work and having the belts sucked clean.
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Echo Mae on 10/03/2011 02:12:23
Originally by: Amber Accelerando
Originally by: Xina Tutor
I like it when the server dies in US prime time... Then the whining really starts.
^^ This & Damn what a bunch of selfish, self centered, entitled a$$ H01 es- those of you who have stated we should all go jump in Asia/Pacific TZ.
News flash - you guys are not that great, in fact the rest of the World ( & you are a minority ) hates your guts. It's really not hard to see why.
First to complain if something affects you but absolutely unable to tolerate anybody else demanding the same treatment. That's why you sit in your relative comfort & are comfortable watching near neighbors starve to death.
And why, I ask you, is it MY responsibility to feed someone else? Last I checked, I am responsible for feeding and caring for myself. Not my neighbors.
What people like you forget is Uncle Sugar pays out billions of dollars a year to countries all around the world, supporting them for the most part.
Want to hear the world REALLY whine? I say we stop subsidizing other nations. Close our military bases in other countries and let them defend themselves from any potential aggressors, bring all our men and women home, and tell the entire world to suck a dry egg.
Right about the time some poor little wounded pride nation gets their backsides handed to them by someone else the outcry will be "UNCLE SUGAR WE LOVE YOU.... HELPPPPPPPPPP".
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Stan Smith
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Mae
Edited by: Echo Mae on 10/03/2011 02:12:23
Want to hear the world REALLY whine? I say we stop subsidizing other nations. Close our military bases in other countries and let them defend themselves from any potential aggressors, bring all our men and women home, and tell the entire world to suck a dry egg.
Right about the time some poor little wounded pride nation gets their backsides handed to them by someone else the outcry will be "UNCLE SUGAR WE LOVE YOU.... HELPPPPPPPPPP".
Since isolationism has worked so well for the US in the past... anyway, what this has to do with the topic at hand... i have no idea
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Stan Smith
Originally by: Echo Mae
Edited by: Echo Mae on 10/03/2011 02:12:23
Want to hear the world REALLY whine? I say we stop subsidizing other nations. Close our military bases in other countries and let them defend themselves from any potential aggressors, bring all our men and women home, and tell the entire world to suck a dry egg.
Right about the time some poor little wounded pride nation gets their backsides handed to them by someone else the outcry will be "UNCLE SUGAR WE LOVE YOU.... HELPPPPPPPPPP".
Since isolationism has worked so well for the US in the past... anyway, what this has to do with the topic at hand... i have no idea
Maybe reading the quote of the person I responded to would give you a clue. There is also a difference between isolationism, and supporting the world. The United States in my personal opinion, spends far too much money supporting other countries by paying them to allow us to have bases on their land. Close the bases. The United states spends far to much money subsidizing nations when we have enough problems of our own.
Trade is necessary in a global economy, I don't propose stopping that, my opinion is that we have no right o be in any other country, and we shouldn't be paying to keep other countries economies viable, when our own is in the crap hole. Let other nations defend themselves. Pay for themselves, and support their own economies. It isn't OUR problem, and I for one, would love to watch the screaming the second UNCLE SGAR stopped giving away money to the world.
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:22:00 -
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The '5-6%' of the playerbase argument ignores the fact that far more people in asia-pacific might be tempted to play if DT didn't happen to squat in the middle of their playtime.
There seems to be this idea that Asia-Pacific consists entirely of Australia and the Solomon Islands, ignoring such horrendous backwaters such as Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and the Phillipines.
Its not as if any of those places might harbour reasonably large populations of MMO players with silly amounts of disposable income and spare time now is it?
I can totally understand why CCP would be uninterested in varying DT by 2-3 hours as a result, because there couldn't be any possible benefit commercially in doing so.
Could there?
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/03/2011 06:44:59
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
The '5-6%' of the playerbase argument ignores the fact that far more people in asia-pacific might be tempted to play if DT didn't happen to squat in the middle of their playtime.
There seems to be this idea that Asia-Pacific consists entirely of Australia and the Solomon Islands, ignoring such horrendous backwaters such as Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and the Phillipines.
Its not as if any of those places might harbour reasonably large populations of MMO players with silly amounts of disposable income and spare time now is it?
I can totally understand why CCP would be uninterested in varying DT by 2-3 hours as a result, because there couldn't be any possible benefit commercially in doing so.
Could there?
so, here's another potential explanation that'll be pretty unpopular. what if they already know how you feel, accept that it's probably wrong but know that you guys won't quit over a 30 minute downtime so they just keep doing it anyway?
because, all histrionics aside - no one is quitting over this. and I don't mean the usual "look at me, I'm quitting, no, really, I'm quitting, guys, over here, guys, I'm quitting, honestly, I'm going" threads, I mean people actually canceling accounts/biomassing chars.
are they?
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
I like it when the server dies in US prime time... Then the whining really starts.
There's a difference between a crash and regular downtime, but I don't want to torment you with details.
Originally by: Amber Accelerando
^^ This & Damn what a bunch of selfish, self centered, entitled a$$ H01 es- those of you who have stated we should all go jump in Asia/Pacific TZ.
News flash - you guys are not that great, in fact the rest of the World ( & you are a minority ) hates your guts. It's really not hard to see why.
First to complain if something affects you but absolutely unable to tolerate anybody else demanding the same treatment. That's why you sit in your relative comfort & are comfortable watching near neighbors starve to death.
sorry, but a quick LOL is in order here. why don't you chill out a bit. you're getting very worked up over a video game, no?
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 10/03/2011 07:18:06
Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 10/03/2011 07:17:45
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/03/2011 06:44:59
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
The '5-6%' of the playerbase argument ignores the fact that far more people in asia-pacific might be tempted to play if DT didn't happen to squat in the middle of their playtime.
There seems to be this idea that Asia-Pacific consists entirely of Australia and the Solomon Islands, ignoring such horrendous backwaters such as Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and the Phillipines.
Its not as if any of those places might harbour reasonably large populations of MMO players with silly amounts of disposable income and spare time now is it?
I can totally understand why CCP would be uninterested in varying DT by 2-3 hours as a result, because there couldn't be any possible benefit commercially in doing so.
Could there?
so, here's another potential explanation that'll be pretty unpopular. what if they already know how you feel, accept that it's probably wrong but know that you guys won't quit over a 30 minute downtime so they just keep doing it anyway?
because, all histrionics aside - no one is quitting over this. and I don't mean the usual "look at me, I'm quitting, no, really, I'm quitting, guys, over here, guys, I'm quitting, honestly, I'm going" threads, I mean people actually canceling accounts/biomassing chars.
are they?
I agree, aside from the fact that its not really the regular downtimes that cause the angst, its the extended DT's.
Once you're in to the game and you've played for any length of time, then no, you're unlikely to go hysterical and biomass. The problem comes in attracting new players to the game once they've found out that each and everytime there is an extended DT its going to have a dispoportionate effect on their playtime because they happen to live in that rather large continent the other side of the planet from Iceland.
CCP realise the commercial advantages of Asia-Pacific in setiing up the Chinese server and establishing offices here, so it can't be something they're blind to. As more markets outside of China develop and the playerbase grows accordingly, I'm sure DT will be something they will have to look at.
Its interesting to note the hypocrisy present in some of the playerbase though; when there is an extended DT that impinges on the EU/US TZ's in any way, we have 20-30 page threadnaughts with outraged calls for compensation and SP donations, when its the AU TZ the same people chant '**** you Australia' and post pictures of a Joey with its throat cut.
Yeah okay, I made that bit up.
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Sasha Citrine
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:22:00 -
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I live in the NA TZ, and you know what, I would not be opposed to different extended downtimes. It means that every time zone is affected equally, and who knows, it might actually get some more people in the Asia/Pacific TZ playing.
I would hope that people in Iceland know what a shift is, and would maybe consider working different shifts once in a while for extended DT to allow the aussies some more uninterrupted game time
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:31:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/03/2011 07:32:05
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
I agree, aside from the fact that its not really the regular downtimes that cause the angst, its the extended DT's.
can't argue with that.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Once you're in to the game and you've played for any length of time, then no, you're unlikely to go hysterical and biomass. The problem comes in attracting new players to the game once they've found out that each and everytime there is an extended DT its going to have a dispoportionate effect on their playtime because they happen to live in that rather large continent the other side of the planet from Iceland.
Now, I don't live there so this is just conjecture but I think you're overstating the problem. Agreed, it must be frustrating but if people enjoy the game they'll put up with it because they, well, enjoy the game. Doesn't make it right but it does make it easy for CCP to run their business in a way that suits them.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Its interesting to note the hypocrisy present in some of the playerbase though; when there is an extended DT that impinges on the EU/US TZ's in any way, we have 20-30 page threadnaughts with outraged calls for compensation and SP donations, when its the AU TZ the same people chant '**** you Australia' and post pictures of a Joey with its throat cut.
Yeah okay, I made that bit up.
Yeah, you did. No arguing that there is a lot of noise when it hits then, but if (going back to the figure that was thrown around earlier) we're talking about the 5-6% of the playerbase that are in AsiaPac as opposed to the what, 70-80% that are in NA/EU, that extra noise makes sense.
Again, not saying it's right, but anyway you slice it, people aren't going to quit and CCP will keep running their business how they want. There's a lot of talk to the contrary on these forums from some of the whining maggots, but it's worked out pretty well for CCP so far.
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:38:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 10/03/2011 07:39:53
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/03/2011 07:32:05
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
I agree, aside from the fact that its not really the regular downtimes that cause the angst, its the extended DT's.
can't argue with that.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Once you're in to the game and you've played for any length of time, then no, you're unlikely to go hysterical and biomass. The problem comes in attracting new players to the game once they've found out that each and everytime there is an extended DT its going to have a dispoportionate effect on their playtime because they happen to live in that rather large continent the other side of the planet from Iceland.
Now, I don't live there so this is just conjecture but I think you're overstating the problem. Agreed, it must be frustrating but if people enjoy the game they'll put up with it because they, well, enjoy the game. Doesn't make it right but it does make it easy for CCP to run their business in a way that suits them.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Its interesting to note the hypocrisy present in some of the playerbase though; when there is an extended DT that impinges on the EU/US TZ's in any way, we have 20-30 page threadnaughts with outraged calls for compensation and SP donations, when its the AU TZ the same people chant '**** you Australia' and post pictures of a Joey with its throat cut.
Yeah okay, I made that bit up.
Yeah, you did. No arguing that there is a lot of noise when it hits then, but if (going back to the figure that was thrown around earlier) we're talking about the 5-6% of the playerbase that are in AsiaPac as opposed to the what, 70-80% that are in NA/EU, that extra noise makes sense.
Again, not saying it's right, but anyway you slice it, people aren't going to quit and CCP will keep running their business how they want. There's a lot of talk to the contrary on these forums from some of the whining maggots, but it's worked out pretty well for CCP so far.
I made up the bit about little Joey spilling its blood in the outback not the hypocrisy bit. The numbers involved don't make it any less hypocritical.
As far as it working out well so far, if those numbers change, and they will, DT will be something they look at and then we'll see where the maggotry resides.
Lets imagine for a moment a world without the great firewall of China and consider just how much bigger that mooted figure of 5-6% would be, along with the corresponding effect on where DT was situated.
The 20 minutes DT is neither here nor there, its scheduling of extended DT's and if what you say is true then no-one in the EU/US is going to go spastic and biomass either if it hits their primetime.
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.10 09:24:00 -
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oh look, THIS thread again.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
I think we'd be better off with a troll shard.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.10 10:26:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sasha Citrine
I live in the NA TZ, and you know what, I would not be opposed to different extended downtimes. It means that every time zone is affected equally, and who knows, it might actually get some more people in the Asia/Pacific TZ playing.
I would hope that people in Iceland know what a shift is, and would maybe consider working different shifts once in a while for extended DT to allow the aussies some more uninterrupted game time
Why dont you work different shifts once in a while so your playtime is not over the DT. I guess it's much easier to demand that the CCP staff change their lives to suit you.
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"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Otaku Komoko
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Posted - 2011.03.10 10:32:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
Originally by: Sasha Citrine
I live in the NA TZ, and you know what, I would not be opposed to different extended downtimes. It means that every time zone is affected equally, and who knows, it might actually get some more people in the Asia/Pacific TZ playing.
I would hope that people in Iceland know what a shift is, and would maybe consider working different shifts once in a while for extended DT to allow the aussies some more uninterrupted game time
Why dont you work different shifts once in a while so your playtime is not over the DT. I guess it's much easier to demand that the CCP staff change their lives to suit you.
Nice job completely ignoring the first sentence. Need to learn how to read I think. He wasn't saying he was Aussie TZ, but just thought that it sucks that the Aussies get shafted everytime CCP needs to update something.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:38:00 -
[51]
My bad. I was scanning the post and my mind saw 'NA TZ' as NA (some province) in TZ (TaZmania).
However, I still find requests to get CCP to make their employees work night shifts to suit a minority of players a little selfish.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:40:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Echo Mae
Edited by: Echo Mae on 10/03/2011 02:12:23
Originally by: Amber Accelerando
Originally by: Xina Tutor
I like it when the server dies in US prime time... Then the whining really starts.
^^ This & Damn what a bunch of selfish, self centered, entitled a$$ H01 es- those of you who have stated we should all go jump in Asia/Pacific TZ.
News flash - you guys are not that great, in fact the rest of the World ( & you are a minority ) hates your guts. It's really not hard to see why.
First to complain if something affects you but absolutely unable to tolerate anybody else demanding the same treatment. That's why you sit in your relative comfort & are comfortable watching near neighbors starve to death.
And why, I ask you, is it MY responsibility to feed someone else? Last I checked, I am responsible for feeding and caring for myself. Not my neighbors.
What people like you forget is Uncle Sugar pays out billions of dollars a year to countries all around the world, supporting them for the most part.
Want to hear the world REALLY whine? I say we stop subsidizing other nations. Close our military bases in other countries and let them defend themselves from any potential aggressors, bring all our men and women home, and tell the entire world to suck a dry egg.
Right about the time some poor little wounded pride nation gets their backsides handed to them by someone else the outcry will be "UNCLE SUGAR WE LOVE YOU.... HELPPPPPPPPPP".
If you honestly think that the USA occupies bases in foreign countries for the sole purpose of "defending" it and "supporting the economy" then you must be some what intellectually challenged..... or american.... which may be the same thing
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
My bad. I was scanning the post and my mind saw 'NA TZ' as NA (some province) in TZ (TaZmania).
However, I still find requests to get CCP to make their employees work night shifts to suit a minority of players a little selfish.
That's because you're an idiot who has NFI what s/he is talking about. If you had any idea how the industry works you wouldn't embarrass yourself by making such ridiculous comments . And no I'm not going into detail here except to say that the only reason I can see why CCP hasn't made a change is pure laziness.
I've been playing EvE on & off for a few years now & in that time I've seen these threads appear regularly here - extended DT in our peak times sux - it's not debatable, yet I've never seen an official response. Not one mod/dev/CCP response.
I'm sorry, but do you think that's good business?
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Juil
Gallente
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:18:00 -
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I'll give people a hint why it tends to get the Asia Pacific region upset, especially in this case australians.
Downtime begins at 11:00 UCT now that time moves depending on if it's daylight savings but it's either 10pm, 9pm or 8pm and that is if your AUEST or AUESDT (Australian Eastern Standard Time or Australian Eastern Standard Daylight Time).
Now 11:00 UCT is i think abotu 9am Iceland time ( I could be wrong), It's 12am New Zealand Time, 11am England time, etc etc.
the point that is being made is how does moving it later by a few hours at times really hurt any one?
And the normal 30 minutes isn't a problem but when a 30 minute dt turns into an hour or two hours etc it starts getting annoying when it's technically in your 'primetime' as for saying 'hey go shift work' ok so a builder can suddenly work from 6pm onwards? Last time i checked noise laws prevented that especially after 10pm..
for those of you in the US who don't get the time zone changes Using USMT as it stands right now and AUESDT/AUESST (daylights saving):
12am Australia - 6am previous day US
6am Australia - 12pm Previous day US
12pm Australia - 6pm previous day US
6pm Australia - 12am same day US.
Sorry not many places are going to let you out to play internet spaceships from midday to dinner time.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.10 14:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 10/03/2011 07:39:53
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/03/2011 07:32:05
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
I agree, aside from the fact that its not really the regular downtimes that cause the angst, its the extended DT's.
can't argue with that.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Once you're in to the game and you've played for any length of time, then no, you're unlikely to go hysterical and biomass. The problem comes in attracting new players to the game once they've found out that each and everytime there is an extended DT its going to have a dispoportionate effect on their playtime because they happen to live in that rather large continent the other side of the planet from Iceland.
Now, I don't live there so this is just conjecture but I think you're overstating the problem. Agreed, it must be frustrating but if people enjoy the game they'll put up with it because they, well, enjoy the game. Doesn't make it right but it does make it easy for CCP to run their business in a way that suits them.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Its interesting to note the hypocrisy present in some of the playerbase though; when there is an extended DT that impinges on the EU/US TZ's in any way, we have 20-30 page threadnaughts with outraged calls for compensation and SP donations, when its the AU TZ the same people chant '**** you Australia' and post pictures of a Joey with its throat cut.
Yeah okay, I made that bit up.
Yeah, you did. No arguing that there is a lot of noise when it hits then, but if (going back to the figure that was thrown around earlier) we're talking about the 5-6% of the playerbase that are in AsiaPac as opposed to the what, 70-80% that are in NA/EU, that extra noise makes sense.
Again, not saying it's right, but anyway you slice it, people aren't going to quit and CCP will keep running their business how they want. There's a lot of talk to the contrary on these forums from some of the whining maggots, but it's worked out pretty well for CCP so far.
I made up the bit about little Joey spilling its blood in the outback not the hypocrisy bit. The numbers involved don't make it any less hypocritical.
As far as it working out well so far, if those numbers change, and they will, DT will be something they look at and then we'll see where the maggotry resides.
how do you think the numbers are going to change? After saying that the DT will put people off, you believe that TZ is going to rise up and become so popular that it'll force DT to be in the UK/US TZ? Or did I miss something?
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Lets imagine for a moment a world without the great firewall of China and consider just how much bigger that mooted figure of 5-6% would be, along with the corresponding effect on where DT was situated.
OH, I see, suddenly China are going to allow their people to play this game, and not play on the server they have out there that isn't all that popularted anyway?
In that case: Imagine away! Not sure what basis this has on fact, but let's not let that stop your lovely little ideas :)
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
The 20 minutes DT is neither here nor there, its scheduling of extended DT's and if what you say is true then no-one in the EU/US is going to go spastic and biomass either if it hits their primetime.
Boy, could you 'reach' much further to make your argument? In this instance, you're right. Also, when the aliens land and make the planet revolve in the other direction, CCP will have to change things!
Again, I get your frustration but you're not facing reality (IMO) and are just ranting, so have at it.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
The Mighty 13th
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Posted - 2011.03.10 14:54:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Doctor N0
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
My bad. I was scanning the post and my mind saw 'NA TZ' as NA (some province) in TZ (TaZmania).
However, I still find requests to get CCP to make their employees work night shifts to suit a minority of players a little selfish.
That's because you're an idiot who has NFI what s/he is talking about. If you had any idea how the industry works you wouldn't embarrass yourself by making such ridiculous comments . And no I'm not going into detail here except to say that the only reason I can see why CCP hasn't made a change is pure laziness.
I've been playing EvE on & off for a few years now & in that time I've seen these threads appear regularly here - extended DT in our peak times sux - it's not debatable, yet I've never seen an official response. Not one mod/dev/CCP response.
I'm sorry, but do you think that's good business?
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How about just the reliability of knowing when DT is going to be every day? Not having to consult calendars and star charts to find out if DT is at 0545, 1823, or 0220 today?
So yes, having a reliable DT schedule, rather than keeping your players guessing is good business. That's reason enough for me.
I eagerly await the pearls of wisdom you undoubtedly will send my way in response.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Jonii
Minmatar
Woopatang
Primary.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 15:09:00 -
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Antraman
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:30:00 -
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I agree with OP. When is prime playing time for most people around the world? After dinner, late evening? 9pm?
Thats Aussie DT.
Why not adjust the DT so it occurs at 9pm in the middle of the pacific ocean, where even less than the 5% Aussie player base exist...?
As for arguing that CCP would have to get up at 3am to reset the servers...phooey. These days, multi-million dollar companies have internet support working 24/7, and I bet the same is true for CCP. If a network or database problem happens any time of day...CCP is onto it, or at least, the rest of the world is crying to CCP to fix it pronto.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:38:00 -
[59]
For the last goddamn time:
THE AUSTRALASIAN PLAYERBASE IS TINY. WHO CARES THAT IT CUTS INTO YOUR PRIMETIME - DT CUTS INTO MY LUNCH TIME, BUT DO YOU HEAR ME COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? NO SIR
Seriously, there are only like a dozen people playing EVE from Australia and two in New Zealand, presumably it is just you guys making these same threads again and again. I assume you would've told each other that you've each made a thread on this subject now? 
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:40:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Sasha Citrine
I live in the NA TZ, and you know what, I would not be opposed to different extended downtimes. It means that every time zone is affected equally, and who knows, it might actually get some more people in the Asia/Pacific TZ playing.
I would hope that people in Iceland know what a shift is, and would maybe consider working different shifts once in a while for extended DT to allow the aussies some more uninterrupted game time
You do realise where the servers are located, don't you?
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:11:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Stuff
I'm going to avoid pyramid quoting and just try and spell it out for you because you're getting excited.
People who live in that huge continent that's quite a ways from wherever you live may well be put off from paying for a game that has the tendency to wipe out their playtime whenever there is an extended DT.
That's quite reasonable.
Those people that have already become sucked into the game who live in that huge continent get a little ****ed off by paying for a game that has the tendency to wipe out their playtime whenever there is an extended DT.
That's quite reasonable.
Those people point out that by varying these periods of extended DT (or even, if they wanted to be really revolutionary, regular DT) by as little as a couple of hours or so, preferably into around 8-9.00am UK-time, there would be little impact to either CCP work-patterns or anyone else's playtime. They might even settle for a 'moving DT'  .
They also point out the huge hypocrisy present when a selection of internet hardmen turn up on the forums and tell Asia to harden up about DT but when there's a major snafu and CCP lose a whole day we have 20-30 page *****-fests full of gnashing of hands and wringing of teeth.
Now CCP and any other business with the slightest regard for its bottom line know that Asia is utlimately where its at for them, its inevitable and unless they move away from the single game universe approach, EvE will have to consider Asia a little more carefully than they do now.
CCP China server is relatively poorly populated because Chinese consumers don't have to settle for second best anymore and they know when they're being offered an inferior product and they are.
The hypothetical point was and still is, that if and probably when CCP start to pitch 'our' eve at Asia with more commitment than they do at present, then quite a few things, DT amongst them will be looked at.
Best-case scenario is that we don't have DT (unlikely) or that if we do, CCP learn to keep a lid on the eruption of total failure that ensues when they do their patches thereby ensuring that no-one is ****ed off and everyone, even you, are kept happy.
So not many people, least of all me, are threatening to quit/biomass/demand free SP or monetary compensation but we do think that moving DT forward by a couple of hours might be nice and not really upset anyone else too much and provide CCP with a greater appeal around these parts.
This is just my opinion of course and it won't change when I move back to the UK in the next 3-5 years either.
And as far as reality goes, I believe you mentioned little green men landing and the planet doing something interesting.
You go, you crazy diamond.
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:21:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Bumblefck
For the last goddamn time:
THE AUSTRALASIAN PLAYERBASE IS TINY. WHO CARES THAT IT CUTS INTO YOUR PRIMETIME - DT CUTS INTO MY LUNCH TIME, BUT DO YOU HEAR ME COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? NO SIR
Seriously, there are only like a dozen people playing EVE from Australia and two in New Zealand, presumably it is just you guys making these same threads again and again. I assume you would've told each other that you've each made a thread on this subject now?
As soon as those new forums hit, you're getting some quality rep.
Best post in thread.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:52:00 -
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Bumblefck
For the last goddamn time:
THE AUSTRALASIAN PLAYERBASE IS TINY. WHO CARES THAT IT CUTS INTO YOUR PRIMETIME - DT CUTS INTO MY LUNCH TIME, BUT DO YOU HEAR ME COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? NO SIR
Seriously, there are only like a dozen people playing EVE from Australia and two in New Zealand, presumably it is just you guys making these same threads again and again. I assume you would've told each other that you've each made a thread on this subject now?
0/10
That is a pretty dumb post you did there.
Back on topic, the OP was talking about moving the EXTENDED DOWN TIME around a *BIT*. I hope you all understand what a BIT means? It can also mean a little.
In this case, i agree with the OP. Having an extended DT starting an hour early is really annoying. For the eastern states, it happens at 9PM, with usual DT happening at 10PM.
Could the extended DT be started at 10pm instead? for New Zelanders, that would be midnight. for the UK, that would be 11am. for Iceland that would be about 9am?
Do it during the week so most of the UK player base are out working/chavving.
Having it *right* in the middle of our TZ, right after when we have gotten home from work, fed the kids and put them to bed, IS annoying. An hour later? Absolutely fine.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:37:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Stuff
pile of nonsense
ooookay. again, you're just ranting, so have at it.
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:51:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Stuff
pile of nonsense
ooookay. again, you're just ranting, so have at it.
I will if you stop interrupting.
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