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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:57:00 -
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KiaDuplex$6,787.94 Icarantus$6,675.27
Who the hell is pathetic enough to spend that much money on a stupid video game? - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=423666580
Value of Blinks Won 1,004,588,000,150 ISK
Icarantus $6,675.27
heh, discuss.
Wow, that's even more pathetic. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:36:31
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums.
I would not mind a permanent ban if it is true. You only cannot prove it. Until CCP can look into the bank accounts and get an authentic list of money transfers from a trusted bank, not some shack in a 3rd world country with a sign "Bank" on its roof for instance, are all these dollar sums behind the names meaningless. They could all be just $0.
They don't need any r/l bank interaction. They can do all the investigation required within their own database. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:56:00 -
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/popcorn - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 09/03/2011 17:11:11
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Oriele Aldent But considering that the full list has items purchased and dates, it's possible to check whether said accounts received the items. IMHO that should be proof enough for CCP. They don't really need to follow any official procedures, fair trial or any of that. They own any content on EVE and if this list is proof enough for them, they could easily act on it.
But how do you know that these items were actually bought with real money?
For example: you run an alliance with your own forum. One day you are all upset about the failure of your alliance, blame all your members for it and now seek payback. So you take everyone's e-mail address and IP address from the forum software. Then you give away stuff for free or just check your transaction logs or whatever ... and create a list with player names, IP addresses and replace the ISK amounts with real money amounts.
How could you tell the difference?
The truth is that you are missing the final piece of the puzzle - the bank transactions - that make this a real money transfer. So until you have this proof there is no real money involved.
You don't work for CCP or any other MMO company I'm guessing. All of the MMOs out there that do not allow RMT have methods of tracking transactions back to the source and can tell if it's RMT or not. You'd be surprised how much data they keep. For instance in EQ2, I did a server transfer and lost some house items. A GM came on and went through their logs all the way back to when I created the character and tracked down every item's source and where it "ended up". It turned out the items in question hadn't been picked up or moved since some server mergers a year or two prior and ended up with "no owner" so they got deleted during the transfer. The GM was able to successfully replace every item that ended up getting deleted during the server transfer.
Don't be so naive. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:17:00 -
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Honestly, I have my doubts on the authenticity of the list, I think evenews24 just likes stirring up publicity, but who cares, makes for good reading material while I'm stuck at work :P - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: TyeBaak
Posting APIs in these forums is not permitted. You'd have to take it off-site.
But, TBH there was a post on page 2 that kinda sums my feelings: Kind of a sigh...a 'meh' and perspective on the whole game. You add-in some of the posts in this thread, and it's like stepping out of line and looking back and seeing that I was involved with a bunch of really awful people and I'm not talking about just the RMTers. They are just cheaters. Some of the respondents in this thread appear to be really really awful people with terrible perspectives on the world.
There are too many other good games out there. I think I'll be unchecking the 'auto-renew' button and just keep an eye on this thread for the next few weeks.
CCP doesn't need to say **** about this really. They have no "responsibility" to do as such and I certainly wouldn't expect them to comment. It's no one's business if they get banned or not. CCP will do their job and we'll sit on the forums pontificating on the subject of RMT until we're blue in the face.
Can I haz ur stuffz? - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Dear CCP,
Fix this. If none of your current employees is qualified to do it, hire someone who is.
Your game is broken. Its 'economy' is a farce. You've just been handed a list of perps. Start up the woodchipper and start biomassing toons, deleting accounts and removing the trillions of ISK involved.
Or stay silent, do nothing, and watch your company fail as spectacularly as your game has.
P.S. Make the doll-playing part optional. There's enough performance issues with your game already.
You're not very bright are you? - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Barakkus You're not very bright are you?
Being bright isn't a requirement to play EVE.
lol hey Killer, how you doin' baldy? - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou
And for the permanent ban part: I know someone who used to run a bot in Stain and he was back after 3 days... go figure
I believe their policy is to temp ban then permaban after a certain threshold of bannings is reached. They do want to retain customers ya know. While I think they should permaban on violation 1, it doesn't hurt to give people the opportunity to reform. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:13:00 -
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All of you whining about how there's no way to tell if it's RMT or not are over simplifying what they do to investigate RMT.
You can whine about it all you want, but they can and do identify what is RMT and what is not. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
And you cannot deny it that if CCP is being more and more successful in their fight against RMTs that the fight will only get harder and that it will affect innocent players.
It never changes actually, it's just a self-perpetuating situation for every MMO company. There is no sure-fired way to stop RMT in any MMO. People do get banned that shouldn't and upon pursuing the matter usually get un-banned.
Here's an example...in August 2006 SOE took down EQ2, in it's entirety for a whole week. It seems there was a way to dupe items that was worse than previous dupe exploits that they caught on to. During that week they had to re-engineer the market back end and some other stuff before they could bring the servers back up it was so bad. They initially tried to make all cash from market transactions appear on your character directly, but found something wrong with that, so they started mailing the money...but that was broken too. Eventually they said **** it and took everything offline and rolled everything back a week or so since the exploit got out there and was being heavily used. Thousands upon thousands of people were banned, some of which were innocent. A friend of mine got banned because he was receiving more money than the sales from the market were supposed to be depositing. I guess if you zoned at the exact time there was a market transaction taking place for your character it would duplicate the money. After a week or two with the petition stuff he got got his account unbanned.
**** happens, and RMT is the bane of all MMOs that don't allow it. CCP has a unique approach to it with GTC and PLEX, but it still won't ever completely eradicate the problem. No matter what they do, short of just shutting down EVE, RMT will always be out there, and they will continue to ban/punish people they can determine with 99.999999999999999% accuracy that it is indeed RMT. There will be a small number of people banned that were legit, but in the vast majority of cases, someone ****ed up and stupidly bought dirty game currency. Part of the reason they don't permaban immediately is due to the margin of error in detecting RMT, which is probably how it should be from a business standpoint as well. You don't exactly want to just outright cut off income and lose subscribers due to the off chance that someone legit gets banned.
All the blah, blah, blah "what about those of us who are going to cancel zomg b/c we're fed up?!?!?!!" Well, in all honesty, those people should just gtfo now because they're pretty useless as a customer if they're going to throw a temper tantrum all the time. It costs more to keep the "I'm taking my stuff and going home" types happy than it's worth in a lot of cases. What you see on the forums is less than 5% of the playerbase, and it's usually the most vocal...so really it doesn't mean **** when people start screaming about cancelling this that or the other thing on the internet.
When they don't ban someone it's either because they want to more data to trace other RMT accounts with or they just can not be certain that RMT was taking place. Same reason they can't eradicate all bots...someone will find a way around getting caught, and CCP will have to discover this new method and deal with that as well...it's a never ending cycle...and something we're just going to have to live with.
I personally don't really give a **** as long as there's some semblance of effort being put into catching cheaters. There's only so much you can do, and will never be 100% effective. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 09/03/2011 19:47:37 OK OK Firstly you have to stop calling these guys cheaters and scum yada yada. They not cheating anything, they are using a GAME MECHANIC to make real money.
It's against the stated rules of the game, therefore cheating. Oversimplification ftw. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
They have their credit cards and other personal info that they are not going to be giving out to the public. Sorry but that is far too much evidence to just say "gotta be fake". You do sound like you are deperatly trying to cast some mist over this.
Because everything you read on the internet must be true! - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: sHERU
There are more online shops like these, and I don't dare to ponder how much money goes around in this market. But I am pretty sure it will be more then plenty to fund a few devs to work on some nice features for EVE Online.
RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry. Why do you think China cracked down on RMT companies a year or two ago? They weren't getting their cut of the profits. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Mark It Zero
Have you played Somer.blink? It is horribly addictive horrible.
I lasted about a week. Then forgot about its existence.
This ^^
I won a stealth bomber and an assault ship, then looked at the money I spent and decided I could have just bought them on the market for slightly less than I spent if I really wanted them. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ozwald Rens
Originally by: GM Grimmi We are aware of the evenews24 situation and the leaked list being discussed here. At this time we cannot comment on the information in focus but we would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that buying ISK for real money is a violation of our EULA and anyone doing so risks getting the ISK removed and punitive action against their accounts, including possible permanent bans.
What is needed is permanment bans to the accounts involved and related accounts and not the "serious warnings" and "1 day suspensions" we are always hearing about.
Last I recall: SOE = First offense - 1 week ban, money taken. Second offense 1 month ban, money taken. Third offense perma ban
Blizzard = First offense - Money taken, note from GM. Second offense - Money taken, note from GM. Third offense - Money taken, note from GM. Subsequent offenses - Money taken, note from GM. (at least this is what happened to an ex-coworker regularly who rmt'd)
Just be glad EVE isn't run by Blizzard, you'd have more RMT than you can shake a stick at. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror 5,540 PLEX
Would that be enough to have caused manipulation of plex prices?
Not really, I'm thinking they purchased them via $$ (probably with stolen credit card information) and are waiting to dump them when it's economically feasible to increase their isk holdings. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Miners Strike
Originally by: Whitehound Point out their wrong and you get onto their wishlist, too. Bloody, undereducated mob.
They're. And uneducated.
Seriously though, u mad?
Undereducated is legit btw. I think it's a brit thing... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Catheryn Martobi
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
It won't go away as long as it's profitable. If we can make it so the cost outweighs the benefits then it will go away. Problem is no one has ever found solution yet.
You can't make the cost outweigh the benefits when you can get 100s of Chinese to sit in cramped rooms farming online currencies in shifts 24/7 for a bowl of rice or whatever else they pay, which is not even what illegals make in the US for hard labor. Seriously, there's some interesting documentaries on youtube about gold farming operations. It's pretty interesting what goes on. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
I've been "forced" to buy gold in WOW lots of times, full time job and 12-20 hours end game raiding leaves no time for grinding all the stuff you needed for raiding. If WOW had a option like PLEX i would have used that, and i believe PLEX will take some of the RMT profit. PLEX will not be able to compete with the RMT isk price, which makes RMT the best option for people who are willing to spend large amounts of money, but it's probably also the large transactions that are the easiest to detect.
I would be nice if the next news story gives some information on how the RMT looked before and after PLEX was added to the market as an normal item, it may give CCP some insight on where to focus their effort against RMT.
I'm sorry, no one is forced to buy gold in WoW. I managed 15k gold in a month of harvesting 20 minutes a day while having coffee before getting in the shower for work. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 01:42:43
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus I'm sorry, no one is forced to buy gold in WoW. I managed 15k gold in a month of harvesting 20 minutes a day while having coffee before getting in the shower for work.
Like hell you did that in classic or tbc, and when you have to much money and to little time you do feel forced to either pay for currency or stop playing the game or atleast the part of the game you enjoy, which in the end it likely to make you stop playing the game. That is the main reason most games have some legit way of doing RMT, and it's also why the illegal 3. party RMT exists.
It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
Only fool here is you going on about having to spend money on gold lol.
When WoTLK came out I was loaning money to my guild mates for mounts. You must have been on a ****ty server, Onyxia's economy treated me well. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 02:08:33
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
Only fool here is you going on about having to spend money on gold lol.
When WoTLK came out I was loaning money to my guild mates for mounts. You must have been on a ****ty server, Onyxia's economy treated me well.
After your pathetic attempt at sounding like a pro wow gold farmer, which left you looking so very clueless, do you really think any thing you could say would have any effect?
I'm sure your guild needed tons of gold for the new wotlk mounts :)
Wow, u mad. That's hilarious.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightReign
This is not WOW, you are both pathetic. dexington is the winner of the argument b/c he actually has points that don't rely on perceived morality.
Actually didn't make a single point, other than the fact that he is willing to participate in RMT because of his inability to play a video game the way it was intended to be played. Cheater, is a cheater is a cheater. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 14:03:05
Originally by: Hayaku Codolle
Originally by: Kogh Ayon You can never distinguish drug abuse, but if you stop/slow down to doing so, things will be much worse.
hmmm drug abuser as a synonym for RMT customer...
Friend of mine in EQ2 got banned a couple times for RMT. When he got his final warning about a permaban, he posted on the guild forums about it and mentioned that it was an addiction for him then he promptly cancelled his accounts. Kinda sucked that he had to quit, he was our best dps for raiding. He was spending like $500-$600 a month. So I guess it's is applicable in some cases. He was going to loan me some gold so I could go get my mythical (people would sell raid slots to get your class' mythical weapon). I'm glad I didn't accept the money lol.
He's playing again, but without buying gold. I think he took like 2 years off before coming back. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Valari Nala Zena Edited by: Valari Nala Zena on 10/03/2011 16:18:56 Holy mother of god!
Stupid bickering about how much more awesome your opinion is than opinion #987022 by anonymous #98708763 in thread #87609212 on internet spaceship game forums #342.
Fact is this: A) CCP will not use this data to investigate. B) CCP will use this data to investigate. -> if B == true, will CCP actually act on the results of the investigation?
Can't we just get an answer CCP? Preferably before all your customers damage their sanity by overheating their brain (neopallium) .
My guess is they won't punish anyone that hasn't done any RMT within a certain time frame, assuming that it was a one-off deal or that the player decided it was in their best interest to not continue. Those who have recently and often, will more than likely get punished.
It is in CCP's best interests to not be too heavy handed in cases of dealing with buyers. Those generally aren't the people stealing CC numbers or consuming large amounts of server resources. They more than likely will try to destroy the source of the isk before getting too harsh with the buyers.
Really it's none of our business what happens to anyone on that list. If people want to make it their business then they should go hunting them down, not screaming on the forums about how horrible CCP is for not violating privacy agreements. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 17:00:02
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Do. you. understand. yet?
He's not terribly bright and supports RMT, so you're sorta wasting your breath :P
Gotta love the internet armchair lawyers in this thread. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:03:00 -
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All of you arguing over the legality of this or that missed the GM correspondence posted in this thread (and removed) stating that CCP can not accept the database to perform an investigation and urged the player not to continue to perform illegal acts. They covered their ass and washed their hands. Now that the list is posted on the internet for anyone to see, they can absolutely do whatever the **** they want. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
PS how much did you buy?
Probably similar to what he's already bought in other MMOs... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert Next profession in EVE : Lawyer Included new skills (Cha/Int) : Lawyer, Penal Law, Common Law, Contract Voiding, EULA Preservation, Money Laundering Formalization...
I think some people in this thread have already injected those skills and trained them to level 1, then got distracted and trained something else. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Rivers
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 10/03/2011 15:16:50
Originally by: Hayaku Codolle The second one and perhaps slightly less visual thing is that CCP is left out of the loop on RMT.
5,540 PLEX sitting idly just in this RMT shop's hangars - that's 96,900$ for CCP that they didn't have to provide any service for.
At the very least this RMT shop created enough PLEX demand to fund about one CCP employee all by itself (and create up to 2770 legit ISK buyers).
That is most likely a $96,000 loss for CCP if most of that plex was purchased through stolen credit card numbers, as in most cases of transactions with stolen cards, the monies are reversed as soon as the card is found to be used in fraudulent transactions.
Not necessarily. It depends on how the transactions are handled. Sometimes the financial institutions eat the cost, sometimes the retailers. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Grindkore Perhaps I just don't take this "GAME" seriously, don't get me wrong I love EVE. But why would you spend that kind of money even if you are wealthy on intangible and worthless game currency?
It's their money, their account and their choice...
No, it's CCP's intellectual property, including your characters. Read the EULA. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Linda Flamewalker
Its not like they go "oh someone claimed.. ok ban" if they did.. we wouldnt have the constant *****ing about RMT and botting.
We'd have goons /petitioning everyone they come across for RMT and botting. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Linda Flamewalker Why do people assume CCP will make judgements based solely on this?!
Because that assumption opens a tiny window of hope, where proving the list as inadmissible or illegal to use would mean that their alts are safeà
Considering what some people have stated in this thread about supporting RMT, I would venture a guess you hit the nail on the head. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Grindkore Perhaps I just don't take this "GAME" seriously, don't get me wrong I love EVE. But why would you spend that kind of money even if you are wealthy on intangible and worthless game currency?
It's their money, their account and their choice...
Actually, the account belongs to CCP. You pay for the privilege of being allowed to access the account on their machines and modify the data as you see fit, provided you do so within the terms of the EULA agreement.
Wow you really know what you are talking about, lol
Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities.
Nice selective reading...Read the section titled: "PROPRIETARY RIGHTS" - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 19:44:43
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus
Nice selective reading...Read the section titled: "PROPRIETARY RIGHTS"
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
You are still selectively reading.
Quote: A. Ownership of Software, System and Game As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
You are an idiot and are making yourself look stupid the more you try to twist things to make yourself look right. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Malcanis
IskBank have released a public statement asserting that the database is wholly fictitious. It would be difficult for them to also claim that they owned copyright (an array of information cant be copyrighted, btw, did you know that?) or that the use of it in any way compromised them or their customers.
Whatever other things CCP have to fear, legal action by IskBank is now not amongst them.
PS how much did you buy?
De facto, databases when defended have been covered by copyright law. If the iskbank database is protected by eu law, it's covered by copyright law no matter what the content is.
can you give us an example of this in action?
The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations 1997
Which means absolutely nothing since CCP is not in possession of said database. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations 1997
Before you go on saying the database was provided to CCP, you missed the GM correspondence that was posted in this thread, and removed, where a GM told the hacker they could not accept the database as it was obtained through illegal methods. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: dexington
The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations 1997
Before you go on saying the database was provided to CCP, you missed the GM correspondence that was posted in this thread, and removed, where a GM told the hacker they could not accept the database as it was obtained through illegal methods.
Actually the way the gm responces went it was pretty clever. At first the gm was like wow nice find send us the goods and we will reward you if it seems legit. Then after getting the goods there is a followup reply about whoops sorry guys this was illegally accuired so no rewards and we can't ermm 'officially' use it but thanks anyways.
Some clever monkeys over there it seems.
While I'd like to think that was the case, I bet it was just a GM thinking "Wow I hit gold!!!" then runs around the office jumping up and down about the whole situation only to be sternly reminded by a senior GM they can't be party to illegal actions - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rykuss
Reality check. A few sad souls will make threads claiming their attorney said they have a case against CCP but they'll forget all about it if their account(s) are restored. "My mom's lawyer said we can sue you if you don't give me back my stuffz!" and a few sadder souls will threaten to kill themselves and reason their blood will be on CCP's hands if their accounts aren't restored. I've seen it on many game forums over the years. *yawn
The way you worded it though, ooooh scary. Idle threat all the same.
I used to be a SOE forum moderator, generally, people would be told to **** off in a polite way when they started threatening lawsuits on the forums after having their threads deleted. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux nice money could be worth *serious* money, enough to buy off a politician or bureaucrat either in Iceland or in a trade/diplomatic post.
RMT is estimated to be a multi billion dollar industry. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 21:31:40
Originally by: Malcanis
Using this list will make the Russian Mafia enemies of CCP.
Vladimir Makarov will not be pleased. CCP might have to contact the 141 for protection. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Linda Flamewalker
edit again.. if you do come.. can you send steviesg? ^^
This ^^
I want a visit from CCP StevieSG as well. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Ingvar Angst They may have said (and may even think) that they can't use that data, but they can and would easily win an argument to that effect in court.
Who cares about it though? It is not about getting a fish, but about learning how to fish.
CCP should be telling us if this list is true or false, and not some anonymous source telling CCP who the cheaters are.
Maybe once you stop focusing on me you might be able to actually understand what I am saying here.
They don't need to tell anyone ****. They at least follow their own privacy policy instead of deciding "well you broke the rules so we don't have to uphold our end of the bargain anymore either". CCP does not, and should not confirm or deny the legitimacy of that list. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
stuff
Y'all need to realize, Whitehound absolutely sucks at expressing himself on the intert00bz. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 11/03/2011 16:48:16
Hrmmm, this is interesting. So far the rage seems to be directed at people who spend large amounts of cash to get isk so they can simply log in and do as they wish which infuriates the 'legit' players who have to grind for their isk and feel like they can't compete against the people who buy isk. Evenews24 is doing all it can to flame that rage it seems.
But on the page with the iskbank story..
Almost makes me wonder if they are going all out on this story to quell any competition for selling isk. And yes selling gtc is the same as selling isk. You just have to go through a few more steps to convert it is all.
So how about publishing your gtc purchaser list then evenews24 so we can see how much rl money players are spending on gtc to convert to isk.
+10 to you sir. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Angst IronShard Iskies buyers and sellers should be banned out the game.
Include plex sellers and buyers too. I mean is there any real practical difference between the supercap blob that hotdropped you which was funded with illegaly bought isk vs legally bought isk?
There is, on the RMT side of things, many of those companies will readily sell your credit card number or use it themselves for nefarious purposes. On the legit side of things, it enables players to avoid paying the subscription fees if they have the ability to generate large amounts of isk on their own. While some people that fund their playtime with isk use bots, a lot of them don't. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 11/03/2011 18:00:11
Originally by: dexington
The fact the evenews24 released the list the way they did, probably only made it easier for the botters to start moving their assets, maybe even before CCP had time to decide how they where going to handle the situation.
Doesn't matter if people running bots or doing RMT move their assets around. Even though "the logs show nothing", all that stuff would be a futile attempt since they can, and will, track down everything a suspect account has done, regardless if they open 1 new account to shift stuff to or 10. There is a little trail that can be followed regardless of what the player does.
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Yup. Which is why direct legal action against rmt operations are futile at best and always a total waste of money.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the results of Blizzard suing a few RMT companies a couple years ago? - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: dexington
The fact the evenews24 released the list the way they did, probably only made it easier for the botters to start moving their assets, maybe even before CCP had time to decide how they where going to handle the situation.
Doesn't matter if people running bots or doing RMT move their assets around. Even though "the logs show nothing", all that stuff would be a futile attempt since they can, and will, track down everything a suspect account has done, regardless if they open 1 new account to shift stuff to or 10. There is a little trail that can be followed regardless of what the player does.
Yes but ccp can't do a thing past banning the accounts if the isk sellers were warned the hammer is about to drop and ran a fire sale at deeply discounted prices to sell off the remaining isk before ccp could fully investigate.
They may be able to do something, but it would be difficult depending on the country of origin. http://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/uploads/file/Bizzard%20Order_on_Trial.pdf - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos Zhim, you're a terrible troll. Trying to redefine what cheating is doesn't work when, lo and behold--
I post the dictionary definition of cheating.
Originally by: Online Dictionary
ûverb (used without object) 4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets. 5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
:oops:
I am very disappointed in you, for you are my hero :(
At least post all of the definitions: cheat (tʃiːt) ù vb (when intr, usually foll by on ) 1.to deceive or practise deceit, esp for one's own gain; trick or swindle (someone) 2.( intr ) to obtain unfair advantage by trickery, as in a game of cards
3.( tr ) to escape or avoid (something unpleasant) by luck or cunning: to cheat death 4.informal to be sexually unfaithful to (one's wife, husband, or lover) ù n 5.a person who cheats 6.a deliberately dishonest transaction, esp for gain; fraud 7.informal sham 8.law the obtaining of another's property by fraudulent means 9.the usual US name for rye-brome
Unfortunately Zhim's definition is also acceptable. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Unfortunately?
Hey I'm all for ccp punishing them for putting rl monies into the bot farmers hands but no matter what its still not cheating.
captain fovois is my hero, so it's unfortunate :( - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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