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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:39:00 -
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Congrats Projectile users, you can now safely get a 450 wrecking shot on a frigate with a 1200mm. Im actually quite happy, but now that the Projectiles have gotten changes, that of course leaves the Hybrids in the dust. Im not ranting here, just asking if anyone has heard if there will be any changes soon? Thanks.
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Deakgu
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:42:00 -
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nice to see that the cry for hybrids starts just one day after projectiles got ^fixed^ (I wouldnt say fixed, they still do less then most other weapons)
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:43:00 -
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Ok bro, if you read my post, I said that I wasnt ranting... I was just asking in a friendly manner if anyone had heard of any changes. So be a pal and read the thread all the way through next time.
Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is. |
Deakgu
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:45:00 -
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if you read my post you would see im not calling your post a rant 
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:49:00 -
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I consider saying that I am crying for hybrids means that I am ranting. Now that we are successfully off topic, I doubt that anyone will reply to this thread in the manner it was intended. Thanks.
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Deakgu
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Posted - 2005.02.02 10:53:00 -
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you welcome
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:07:00 -
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Hybs dont need any love,,
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:12:00 -
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Well, Ive used 350mm Railguns on my Raven if I felt the need, and I understand that they arent 425mm Railguns, but when u got frigate sized guns outdamaging you every shot, then there is something wrong...
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Dr Derek
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Derek on 02/02/2005 11:24:57
dont boost hybrids, boost megathron, the uber hybrid ship is 2slow and have cap problems.
Megathron the most agile battleship in game sounds good 2me (i dont fly gallente ships, but i kno megathrons need boost cuz they are useless atm, specially against my gankageddon =)
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:39:00 -
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Loka has the gallante thing sorted out on that UNGIMP GALLANTE BATTLESHIPS post. I agree that something has to change for us.
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:16:00 -
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i was in a fleet battle Yesterday. and im flying a Eagle. with 4 proto gauss. and all i got was 1 kill from the biggest blob of the day. and my ship survived. if i figure in rate of fire and ect. i do less dmg than if i was flying a harpy.
now that makes me think hybrids do need some love. |
Sally
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:49:00 -
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Projectiles is not that better really. Large Cannons still have crappy damage / tracking / range ratios. Allthought they do 20% more damage now, its still not enouth to compete with better tracking guns like lasers or rails with some range. (Again, its only Large projectiles have problems, medium and small do ok).
Hybrids do fine in damage department. They energy drain is also not that much higher than drain of lasers. They have only 1 problem - PG req. That need to be sorted. Something like 10-20% less PG req would be enouth to balance them IMO.
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:18:00 -
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wont that allow the mega to and fit the largest blasters and a decent armor tank supported by a cap booster..?
All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :) |
meowcat
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:30:00 -
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small and medium blasters need more range
just enough so that the range variable on ammo actually has some impact
a cruiser sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 1000m to 3000m
a frigate sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 700m to 2500m
the range benefits of long range ammo are basically useless, so everyone uses antimatter/plutonium all the time.
if blaster range were increased slightly, they would still be very much a short range weapon, but would have some increase in usability... and ammo types would be useful
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ElectroSister4
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:39:00 -
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As a megathron and hybrid user i have to agree that hybrids could use some luvin. Compared to lasers, hybrids are pretty weak. Dunno how hybrid do versus projectiles yet after the projectile boost (can we have some new shiny colorful graphs and stuff plz? pretty please?!). But i would say either fix megathons cap and pg issues or rails tracking and damage issues.
I mean amarr ships have the best guns, best fittings, best cap usage .. i would say best everything.
Its not fair  (banging my head for taking another glas of whine) Its not fair that us megathroners have to make up funky setups that dont really work and a n00b with 2m sp can easy fit up a gankageddon with awsome damage.
And i really dont want to train amarr stuff, they are so uncool!
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Dr Derek
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:59:00 -
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uncool? if you cant beat em join em
Or you could just wait a few weeks till CCP makes any change 
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Well, Ive used 350mm Railguns on my Raven if I felt the need, and I understand that they arent 425mm Railguns, but when u got frigate sized guns outdamaging you every shot, then there is something wrong...
who uses rails on the raven 6 siege 2x heavy nos
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ElectroSister4
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Derek
uncool? if you cant beat em join em
Naa.. dont wanna be a pie-rat
Even tho i like a challange to fit the ship, its a little bit too hard right now.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:27:00 -
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I saw boost megaT's grid let it fit neutrons and give it a good hybird bonus and increase the blaster range bonus like maybe 9km with antimatter on ion and like 10km on neutron for lrg blasters
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rexy on 02/02/2005 14:36:12
Originally by: meowcat
small and medium blasters need more range
just enough so that the range variable on ammo actually has some impact
a cruiser sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 1000m to 3000m
a frigate sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 700m to 2500m
the range benefits of long range ammo are basically useless, so everyone uses antimatter/plutonium all the time.
if blaster range were increased slightly, they would still be very much a short range weapon, but would have some increase in usability... and ammo types would be useful
that's just silly , auttocannons have the same problem, just a bit better fallof. blasters are fine, the mega just need a bit more survivabilety or the mega pulse needs a "tweak"
All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :) |
meowcat
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Posted - 2005.02.02 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rexy
Edited by: Rexy on 02/02/2005 14:36:12
Originally by: meowcat
small and medium blasters need more range
just enough so that the range variable on ammo actually has some impact
a cruiser sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 1000m to 3000m
a frigate sized blaster has a range variation of roughly 700m to 2500m
the range benefits of long range ammo are basically useless, so everyone uses antimatter/plutonium all the time.
if blaster range were increased slightly, they would still be very much a short range weapon, but would have some increase in usability... and ammo types would be useful
that's just silly , auttocannons have the same problem, just a bit better fallof. blasters are fine, the mega just need a bit more survivabilety or the mega pulse needs a "tweak"
i'm not talking about battleships. Battleship blasters have sensible range (ie: ammo type makes a viable difference).
frig/cruiser blasters need a small tweak.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2005.02.02 15:07:00 -
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Absolutelly nothing is wrong with hybrids. They are the most damaging guns in game.
Problem is with megathron, which isn't good at anything. It needs cap boost, PG boost, cpu boost... or at least something.
You don't beleive me?
Fit 8x Neutron blaster cannons, 7x mag stabs II on APOC, and you'll still have PG to squeeze MWD on or maybe some shield tanking? no problem. It will deal 30-40% more damage than gankaggedon with 8 heat sinks, with same skills. Want to fit 8x neutron blaster cannons II? No problem on apoc.
With MT you'll have problem fitting even 7 neutron blasters... and with it's poor capacitor they won't run for long.
Problem is Megathron, not hybrids.
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.02.02 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
Absolutelly nothing is wrong with hybrids. They are the most damaging guns in game.
Problem is with megathron, which isn't good at anything. It needs cap boost, PG boost, cpu boost... or at least something.
You don't beleive me?
Fit 8x Neutron blaster cannons, 7x mag stabs II on APOC, and you'll still have PG to squeeze MWD on or maybe some shield tanking? no problem. It will deal 30-40% more damage than gankaggedon with 8 heat sinks, with same skills. Want to fit 8x neutron blaster cannons II? No problem on apoc.
With MT you'll have problem fitting even 7 neutron blasters... and with it's poor capacitor they won't run for long.
Problem is Megathron, not hybrids.
i dare you to fit all that and come fight my typhoon , apoc is sloooow, even with an mwd. you'll never make it into range to actually do anything, so that comparison just isnt right.
and to the other poster the small optimal range's go for autocannons of all sizes, they get better fallof and trade in damage for that. giving any blaster an increase in range will make autocannons insta useless. as it is they have a tough time competing with blasters altogether still.
All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :) |
Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.02.02 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/02/2005 15:20:21
Megathron with blasters is how it should be.
What's not balanced is that it can be outdamaged by filling ur lows with dmg mods on a arma or mega, nerf stacking ffs.
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Manyara
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Posted - 2005.02.02 16:11:00 -
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Blasters pwn. Simple. If you get inside the optimal of a well setup thorax, mega, deimos, anything. Your dead. He might go down too, but no way in h3ll are you getting off lightly. The dmg output of blasters at close range is surreal. really surreal.
Rails dont hit hard. But the trade off is range. besides. Who sez you have to fit hybrids on a gallente ship? gankathron with heatsinks anyone?
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2005.02.02 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rexy
wont that allow the mega to and fit the largest blasters and a decent armor tank supported by a cap booster..?
Shock horror, then they'd exceed megapulse damage at a third of megapulse range. What's wrong with that? Especially with the current state of MWDs.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: benwallace
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Well, Ive used 350mm Railguns on my Raven if I felt the need, and I understand that they arent 425mm Railguns, but when u got frigate sized guns outdamaging you every shot, then there is something wrong...
who uses rails on the raven 6 siege 2x heavy nos
Well, if I am out going to kill some mining ops or ganking with pals in 0.0, and I dont need to use NOS, then I just fit extra 350mm Railguns for the extra DMG, no matter how weak it is.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 02/02/2005 19:36:50
I used to think the megathron was bad, but its really fine. Its designed to kill its target quickly before dying and that is what it does, and very well.
Hybrids are fine imo. Blasters still do the most damage, best tracking guns in game by far, even without the tracking bonus on many gallente ships.
Rails are good on a megathron and frigs... and er, the cruiser ones sound cool.
If there actually is a problem which I don't think there is, you'll have to wait 6 months like we did.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.02.02 19:39:00 -
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"Absolutelly nothing is wrong with hybrids. They are the most damaging guns in game."
What game is that? Because while some hybrids, i.e. the extreme close range blasters might be doing significant damage, some other hybrids i.e. railguns are definitely not 'the most damaging' when compared with other long range weapons... heck, even projectiles on Tempest nearly outdamage rails on Megatron now, let alone rails on Caldari ship...
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.02.02 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 02/02/2005 20:58:04
Megathron:
Requires MWD.
Can only use smallest (electron) blasters with a decent setup.
Uses more cap then megapulse.
Has 1/7th the range of megapulse (ignoring easy crystal swapping).
Has 2k less falloff then megapulse.
Does LESS DAMAGE then megapulse on an arma.
Has less tracking at weapon optimal.
Uses inferior damage types against tanks.
Uses ammo.
Uses cap charges.
Yeah, hybrids are fine.
Wait, when did the meaning of fine change to 'Inferior in every possible way'?
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