Simplicity tends to provide better robustness in these matters.

Which is what CCP did. They said simply, "Don't **** with noobs". Which is what you are arguing is inadequate. Care to clarify?

Mr Epeen

That could work, but the main problem with that is that the thresholds would have to be so numerous and cover so many instances that it would probably be easier to just go for the original geographic limitation and be done with it. Also, it rather hinges on being able to positively identify the player behind the account (because the character stats are almost completely useless for any such flags), which is tricky to say the best.

Yes, it would be a game-mechanical way of doing it, but game mechanics are hugely vulnerable to bugs and exploits and general player clevernessGǪ Simplicity tends to provide better robustness in these matters.

You're arguing that obscurity is clarity. How do vague statements make things simpler?

There is nothing obscure about their position.

Which is what CCP did.

There is nothing obscure about their position.

The problem with the current method is that there is a list published on the website with no obvious connection in game. A person can engage in activities they've learned about solely in-game and be slapped by a GM for doing something THEY WERE NEVER TOLD WAS WRONG. Out-of-game rules like that should be avoided if at all possible...and it's certainly possible here.

Which is what CCP did. They said simply, "Don't **** with noobs". Which is what you are arguing is inadequate. Care to clarify?

Mr Epeen

There's a difference between vague and simple. That's vague. Vague is not simple.

EVE is hard, but please hold our hands as we can't understand something as simple as, "If you think it's bad, then it probably is".

EVE is hard, but please hold our hands as we can't understand something as simple as, "If you think it's bad, then it probably is". And then accept the consequences of our actions.

If I remember right, EVE punishes the stupid. Have you been punished lately?

Mr Epeen

And you're defending that kind of system over one where you know whether it's bad or not and where there are no exploits hiding behind all the vagueness. Why is that?

...you know whether it's bad or not and where there are no exploits hiding

Excuse me, but I thought we were talking about a game that encourages deviant behavior, and then says some deviant behavior will get you banned but is unclear as to exactly what.

If you don't see a problem with this, then I don't think any amount of explaining will ever make you understand.

Once again, tipps, I'm not defending it. I am accepting it. Just like I do with the rest of the game.

There are always exploits. No matter what your perfect solution is, it will be exploited. It's a lesser of many evils situation. Not the black and white that is all you seem to see. Is your monitor really that old?

Mr Epeen

It's only unclear to those that like to be intentionally obtuse, those that like to argue and those that like to troll.

Mr Epeen

Once again, tipps, I'm not defending it. I am accepting it.

There are always exploits.

I think I see the problem in this thread?
most of you retards in here do not know how to make decisions for yourself
you do not know how to do a small amount of research
and you just want to make it where somebody else will be guaranteed to take the fall if you are able to do something wrong.
you're all hopeless.

how did this get to this thread o.O


I don't know
I don't recognize this thread.

And no, by arguing against improvement

So can you think of one with the suggested rule?

I'd like to keep my posting privileges.

Mr Epeen

Are you really that ********? Pointing out a possible exploit to another player's suggestion doesn't violate any rule whatsoever. The rule only exists to prevent discussion of current exploits.

Maybe you're just a troll.

Nice!

Tag team.

Angry much?


Mr Epeen

Confirmed troll.

I'm butthurt

Me too!

I don't discuss exploits, period. More of those fuzzy rules y'all are complaining about.

You understand, right?

Mr Epeen

There is nothing obscure about their position.

Mr Epeen

Improvement?

I'd like to keep my posting privileges.

GǪand thus, you have demonstrated that it's a massive improvement. Thank you for helping and for agreeing.

CONCORD does't ban you from the game and has no other real-world consequences.

Sure it is. Argue that there was no way for you to know that the guy was a newbie and bob's your uncle.

You come across a 4-day old character in a newbie ship carrying 50 PLEX. Is this a legal target or not in your view?

Again, the question remains: why are you opposed to absolute and crystal clear protection for newbies?