EVE Search - Rookie System Page Update

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

Rookie System Page Update

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 .. 12 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 2 post(s)
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1735	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:16:00 - [91] - Quote Jett0 wrote: ITT, Mr Epeen Versus the World. Nah. Just the three stooges. I'm pretty used to them and their antics by now. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9268	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:17:00 - [92] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Whoooweee! Yes, that's what happens if you fail to support your argument: you end up supporting mine instead. Maybe you should have made more effort to answer some very simple questions and wasted less time failing to make snide comments. Quote: Wait... CONCORD is going to ban the noobs? What part if GÇ£CONCORD does't ban you from the game and has no other real-world consequencesGÇ¥ did you not understand? Quote: I think you're wrong. That's your problem. The simple fact of the matter is that the current rules are purposefully stated to allow it. Quote: Where? Doesn't matter. So, would you? Quote: I'm not, we've got it. GÇªexcept that there is no absolute and crystal clear protection for newbies right now. So why are you so opposed to creating it? Why do you want to keep rules that let you kill newbies? Why do you want to keep rules that offer unwarranted protection to old players? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1735	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:19:00 - [93] - Quote Tippia wrote: Yes No Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9268	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:21:00 - [94] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: No So you agree that you have no argument, then. Good. Thank you for your support and for proving my point. By the way, why are you so opposed to creating clear rules that offer crystal clear protection for newbies? Why do you want to keep rules that let you kill newbies? Why do you want to keep rules that offer unwarranted protection to old players? Oh, and: you come across a 4-day old character in a newbie ship carrying 50 PLEX. Is this a legal target or not in your view? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective 389	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:35:00 - [95] - Quote Hey Tippia, I didn't follow the previous thread and didn't see your proposed rules. And your posting history is a bit difficult to search. Mind linking them so I can get caught up?
Antisocial Malkavian 215	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:40:00 - [96] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: The SOE epic arc is protected? Simple question: why? If you're going to protect that arc you should also protect Angel Sound (the Angel Cartel epic arc). New Player Experience. CCP got tired of people that relentlessly kill new players, however this only applies in starter & SoE epic arc systems. They're still fair game everywhere else. Edit: If you're an older character running the SoE epic arc or mining in a starter system, you aren't protected under the new rules. Honestly its kinda dumb... What is totally fair game in every other system in the game is bannable there. all you have to do is trick the noob out of the starter system not that Im even a PVPer but still. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9270	Posted - 2012.08.28 01:45:00 - [97] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: Hey Tippia, I didn't follow the previous thread and didn't see your proposed rules. And your posting history is a bit difficult to search. Mind linking them so I can get caught up? It was linked a bit earlier. Find the full 30+ pages goodness here. The short version was also presented on the first couple of pages: basically, don't try to define the protected group by some pilot characteristic, because those can and will be exploited and there will have to be more (and ever-increasing numbers of) special cases and exceptions than anyone could ever think of or list. Instead, define it by static and geography with no exceptions: anyone in a newbie system is off-limits. Then clearly define what is and what isn't a newbie system by simply listing them. The amount of security afforded to older players is no more than what they'd get in a station, and newbies get all the space they need to learn the basics of the game before tackling the big bad world. When they try to leave, tell them with no uncertainty that here there be dragons. In essence, go back to the old rule and make it iron-clad. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Malphilos State War Academy Caldari State 149	Posted - 2012.08.28 02:27:00 - [98] - Quote Tippia wrote: Wait... CONCORD is going to ban the noobs? What part if GÇ£CONCORD does't ban you from the game and has no other real-world consequencesGÇ¥ did you not understand?[/quote] Deliberately obtuse? I said rules protect as much as CONCORD does (that being not at all, they merely punish the guilty), and your rebuttal was that CONCORD doesn't ban. Meaning either you consider the rules even more protective than CONCORD, or you're actually interested in protecting people hoping to gank noobs. As I said, cynical at best.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2012.08.28 02:29:00 - [99] - Quote Can we change this to "Move all level 4 missions to low sec", or "New Exhuners are way over buffed", or "High sec suxors", or "Why can't I can flip noobs with my 5 yr old character???".. Oh wait..............
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9272	Posted - 2012.08.28 02:34:00 - [100] - Quote Malphilos wrote: Deliberately obtuse? I'm beginning to think that you are, yes. Quote: I said rules protect as much as CONCORD does GÇªand I explained that they do so much more since CONCORD has no real-world consequences whereas these rules do. CONCORD doesn't offer protection because nothing is actually lost. They don't enforce any rules GÇö they're just a game mechanic to impose aggression costs. Rules that mean you'll eventually end up blacklisted from TQ, on the other hand, provide protection. Oh, and the unlike the automated game mechanic, the rules don't actually punish anyone. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Pipa Porto 841	Posted - 2012.08.28 02:57:00 - [101] - Quote Malphilos wrote: Tippia wrote: You come across a 4-day old character in a newbie ship carrying 50 PLEX. Is this a legal target or not in your view? Where? And if I've got any doubt, no. Hey, lookit that! I didn't get banned! How in the world did I manage this mystical feat? Ok, perfect. Now everybody just needs to make a 4 day old alt to haul their PLEX around, because they're protected newbies, right? Because "newbie" is undefined, you must have doubts about every 4 day old in a newbie ship carrying 50 PLEX, otherwise tell us what makes you think one 4 day old in a newbie ship with 50 PLEX is different from another 4 day old in a newbie ship with 50 PLEX. And clearly their location is not a guaranteed indication, since the protections are not limited to the listed newbie systems. Oh, wait... that's one of the (many) problems with trying to protect an undefined class. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4468	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:03:00 - [102] - Quote pretty sure the rules don't allow older players to hide behind rules meant to "protect" newbies "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 215	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:04:00 - [103] - Quote well hell as EVE players have shown time and time again; you can exploit any system and if youre creative about it you might not even get baned IE the 9 trillion isk thing. They just got the money removed. Didnt sdtop them bitching on the forums for like a week cause CCP was piocking on them tho lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 551	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:10:00 - [104] - Quote Andski wrote: pretty sure the rules don't allow older players to hide behind rules meant to "protect" newbies How can you be so sure when the rules are so incredibly vague? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1737	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:20:00 - [105] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Ok, perfect. Now everybody just needs to make a 4 day old alt to haul their PLEX around, because they're protected newbies, right? And he's off! That's the Ruby posting we all love. Pick the most unlikely scenario and tout it like it's the most common practice in the game. Only total idiots put PLEX in a ship and we see what happens to total idiots in this game. They get blown up, they get game banned or like you, they get forum banned. Find me a four day old character with a hold full of PLEX and I'll believe everything you say. Forever! Edit: Extra love to you if they are in a noob system or running the arc while carrying them. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Erenial Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:23:00 - [106] - Quote James 315 wrote: Why would you want to pick on new players anyway? because of monetary reasons. if they don't pay to use the system, i bump them. i mean shoot them.
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 215	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:33:00 - [107] - Quote [quote=Mr Epeen] or like you, they get forum banned. [quote] Isnt ban evasion bad? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 215	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:37:00 - [108] - Quote Erenial wrote: James 315 wrote: Why would you want to pick on new players anyway? because of monetary reasons. if they don't pay to use the system, i bump them. i mean shoot them. many reasons Youre bored u mad Its the EVE version of "pay it forwqard" It was done to you... I could go on. http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9275	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:40:00 - [109] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Pick the most unlikely scenario and tout it like it's the most common practice in the game. How is something that is already happening en masse GÇ£most unlikelyGÇ¥? Quote: Only total idiots put PLEX in a ship and we see what happens to total idiots in this game. That will change if it becomes a bannable offence to attack certain players who do it. Oh, and it's not really nice to call new player idiots just because they aren't familiar with the game yetGÇª GÇªin fact, it's that very unfamiliarity that means they need the crystal-clear protection that you don't want to give them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1737	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:48:00 - [110] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: or like you, they get forum banned. Isnt ban evasion bad? One would think so vOv. But as we know, EVE is a little different from other games. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4468	Posted - 2012.08.28 03:54:00 - [111] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Andski wrote: pretty sure the rules don't allow older players to hide behind rules meant to "protect" newbies How can you be so sure when the rules are so incredibly vague? they're vague? if you drop a can labeled "FREE STUFF" in a starter system, career agent system or newbie epic arc system, with the simple intent of killing days-old players who are oblivious to the mechanics, you're breaking the rules suicide ganking a days-old player in a badger with billions in cargo isn't breaking the rules because it's not intended to allow dudes to hide behind the letter of the law for immunity "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9276	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:01:00 - [112] - Quote Andski wrote: suicide ganking a days-old character in a badger with billions in cargo isn't breaking the rules because it's not intended to allow dudes to hide behind the letter of the law for immunity GÇªunfortunately, that's not what the rules state. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 182	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:01:00 - [113] - Quote This topic always seems to derail from my original intent: arbitrary rule enforcement of rules not in existence regarding all aspects of the SOE Epic Arc. If rookies are protected during the entirety of the chain, then have it stated instead of enforcing it without warning people. I'm resigned that the definition of rookie will not be defined and that it will be a best judgement kind of deal. Not that it matters since the only rookies I may engage are either mining in random non-rookie systems or involved in my wars.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 553	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:03:00 - [114] - Quote Andski wrote: they're vague? if you drop a can labeled "FREE STUFF" in a starter system, career agent system or newbie epic arc system, with the simple intent of killing days-old players who are oblivious to the mechanics, you're breaking the rules Yeah, thanks for pointing out a rule that ISN'T vague. However that isn't what we're talking about here. Why isn't it vague? It clearly states what you're not allowed to do (can flip) and where you're not allowed to do it (a specific list of systems). The current trend goes beyond that. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 215	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:06:00 - [115] - Quote Tippia wrote: Andski wrote: suicide ganking a days-old character in a badger with billions in cargo isn't breaking the rules because it's not intended to allow dudes to hide behind the letter of the law for immunity GÇªunfortunately, that's not what the rules state. wait what? they changed it so that its not just in the starter systems? thats even more stupid, reminds me of games with noob shields, then when the noob shield goes away they get ripped apart by the real game http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9277	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:44:00 - [116] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: wait what? they changed it so that its not just in the starter systems? Yes. The latest word from the GMs is that newbies are not to be messed with. Exactly what GÇ£messing withGÇ¥ them entails is not specified. Exactly who counts as a GÇ£newbieGÇ¥ is not specified. GÇªand while it definitely holds true for the staring (and career) systems, it's not limited to those and the extent of that non-limit is (drum roll) not specified. The last time someone asked, one of the SOE-arc systems were added to the official list of no-no systems, but it was also made clear that the list was not (and would not be) exhaustive. Instead, common sense should be the guide, but since no details will ever be forthcoming, the commonality and commonness of that sense is pretty much nil. Thus was born the idea of actually specifying two of those factors to create a newbie-protection policy, and by request from the GMs, it was suggested in such a way that it would require zero development to implement. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1744	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:52:00 - [117] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: wtf... Goons sticking up for the rules? Now Ive seen everything If there is one thing I will give the little bees credit for, it's an intimate knowledge of the rules. You can't game the system unless you know it perfectly. So (as much as this pains me to say ), when a high level Goon talks rules, I listen. I've learned a lot of neat little tricks over the years by adhering to this simple rule. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 216	Posted - 2012.08.28 04:54:00 - [118] - Quote Tippia wrote: [quote=Antisocial Malkavian]wait what? they changed it so that its not just in the starter systems? Yes. The latest word from the GMs is that newbies are not to be messed with. Exactly what GÇ£messing withGÇ¥ them entails is not specified. Exactly who counts as a GÇ£newbieGÇ¥ is not specified. [quote] Wow thats exceedingly stupid... Then again it's pretty par for the course for them to NOT define the rules in this game http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4468	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:17:00 - [119] - Quote Tippia wrote: Andski wrote: suicide ganking a days-old character in a badger with billions in cargo isn't breaking the rules because it's not intended to allow dudes to hide behind the letter of the law for immunity GÇªunfortunately, that's not what the rules state. The spirit of the rule is for players not to take advantage of newbies and just collect killmails and tears from them solely because they are unfamiliar with the game's aggression mechanics. If the rule is more clear-cut than "don't **** with newbies" you'll just see everyone doing exactly what the rule is meant to discourage but gaming the system to say "well we didn't break the rules right?" A system designated as a "rookie system" is not a safe haven for carebears in pimped T3s. By the same token, they're not giving anybody a green light to hide behind the rules by using "rookie" alts. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9281	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:24:00 - [120] - Quote Andski wrote: If the rule is more clear-cut than "don't ** with newbies" you'll just see everyone doing exactly what the rule is meant to discourage but gaming the system to say "well we didn't break the rules right?" It can be far more clear-cut than that and still offer the same protectionGÇª at least for the newbies. Making it more clear-cut just causes it to offer less protection for older players, and the more people yell about how it must stay the same, the more I believe that this is the reason for their doing so. Quote: A system designated as a "rookie system" is not a safe haven for carebears in pimped T3s. And as luck would have it, it won't be because there will be nothing in such a system for a pimped T3 to do. The system will just be a glorified station with the most horrible undock ramp you could ever imagine and would offer no better (in fact, quite a lot worse) safe haven than any of the myriad of stations available in highsec. Quote:** By the same token, they're not giving anybody a green light to hide behind the rules by using "rookie" alts. Actually, that's exactly what they're doing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 .. 12 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.