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Seraphina Hero
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:29:00 -
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I am looking to improve my Mining Drone efficiency. I know I want to get my Mining Drone Operation up higher (It's at level 3 or 4, tight now,) but I was wondering if Drone Sharpshooting (Increases drone optimal range,) would benefit my Mining Drones. In other words, instead of orbiting an asteroid at 2-3,000m (or however close they usually are,) would they be able to fly farther away, thus having to travel a shorter distance back to me, to drop off their load. Also, making them not have to get as close to me in order to drop off their cargo (which is about 2,000m's, right now, to drop off their load.
Any other suggestions what I can research to make them more efficient? Right now, I can only use Mining Drone 1's, but I'm working towards using Mining Drone 2's.
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Ruziel
Minmatar
Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Seraphina Hero
I was wondering if Drone Sharpshooting (Increases drone optimal range,) would benefit my Mining Drones. In other words, instead of orbiting an asteroid at 2-3,000m (or however close they usually are,) would they be able to fly farther away, thus having to travel a shorter distance back to me, to drop off their load.
No, it does not have this effect.
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
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Seraphina Hero
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ruziel
Originally by: Seraphina Hero
I was wondering if Drone Sharpshooting (Increases drone optimal range,) would benefit my Mining Drones. In other words, instead of orbiting an asteroid at 2-3,000m (or however close they usually are,) would they be able to fly farther away, thus having to travel a shorter distance back to me, to drop off their load.
No, it does not have this effect.
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
Drat! Oh well. Too bad. Thank you, much!
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ruziel
Originally by: Seraphina Hero
I was wondering if Drone Sharpshooting (Increases drone optimal range,) would benefit my Mining Drones. In other words, instead of orbiting an asteroid at 2-3,000m (or however close they usually are,) would they be able to fly farther away, thus having to travel a shorter distance back to me, to drop off their load.
No, it does not have this effect.
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
You quoted the relevant part and didn't even both to answer the question (or read, apparently). Good job.
@OP I do not believe it affects the dropff range, but it might affect the mining range, as you stated. However, considering that drones orbit the target, you may very well be placing them FURTHER from your mining vessel.
Although from what I understand, drone orbit range is fixed so it doesn't matter.
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Seraphina Hero
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.03.15 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
@OP I do not believe it affects the dropff range, but it might affect the mining range, as you stated. However, considering that drones orbit the target, you may very well be placing them FURTHER from your mining vessel.
Although from what I understand, drone orbit range is fixed so it doesn't matter.
I wasn't sure if mining range was affected by anything, though it did cross my mind that it may have the opposite affect if they were orbiting and happened to be on the opposite side of the asteroid, thus having to travel that much farther. So, I guess it might be a good thing if the drone orbit range is fixed; because that would definitely be counter-productive!
I was hoping I found a way to be a little more efficient, as Mining Drones seem to be not very effective in helping, though every little bit helps. I can only use 3 Mining Drone 1's on my Retriever, right now, so I have a ways to go, and hope they will actually turn out to be a great help when I can control 10+ Mining Drone 2's... Then I hope they will be able to completely dessimate an asteroid in no time flat! Bwahahaha! Oops! Did I let let that slip??? I meant 'Thanks!' 
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.03.15 03:05:00 -
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Hate to burst your bubble but only the guardian vexor can control that many drones. (And carriers and supercarriers etc)
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Doctor Badger
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Posted - 2011.03.15 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Badger on 15/03/2011 03:21:44
Originally by: Ruziel
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
Technically Drone Navigation also has a negligible but real impact on yield.
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Seraphina Hero
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.03.15 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Badger
Edited by: Doctor Badger on 15/03/2011 03:21:44
Originally by: Ruziel
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
Technically Drone Navigation also has a negligible but real impact on yield.
According to Evelopedia, "NOTE #1: This is a Mid slot item. NOTE #2: It apparently has no effect on Mining Drones." (Source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Drone_Navigation_Computer_I)
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Hate to burst your bubble but only the guardian vexor can control that many drones. (And carriers and supercarriers etc)
Really? I saw a guy mining in my field I was in today that had 7 combat drones (Interceptors, I think) & 3 mining drones around him. He was in a Covetor... How is that possible?
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Ruziel
Minmatar
Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2011.03.15 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
You quoted the relevant part and didn't even both to answer the question (or read, apparently). Good job.
And what exactly didn't I answer? He asked if Drone Sharpshooting allowed the drones to orbit at a greater distance. I answered in the negative, as the skill does, in fact, not have that effect on mining drones that he thought it might.
Looks like an answered question to me.
I also answered his second part about what he can do to increase the effectiveness of the drones. Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing both directly increase the yield of the drones.
Drone Navigation also tangentially increases the yield somewhat by increasing their speed to drop off ore an return to the roid if you are not parked right on it. This is downside of mining drones, is that they are quite slow, and the further you are from the roid they are mining, the more time they waste moving back an forth.
In all honesty, I wouldn't waste too much training time on mining drones. As you move into Mining Barges and Exhumers, some people (myself included) find that the additional yield just isn't worth the extra hassle of dealing with them.
Particularly if you are part of a Orca or Rorqual boosted mining team, where you have about a 22km range to your Strip Miners, and it's more beneficial to be sitting off the belt to have more of the roids in range, which would have your mining drones slowboating 15-22km back and forth.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.03.15 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphina Hero
Originally by: Doctor Badger
Technically Drone Navigation also has a negligible but real impact on yield.
According to Evelopedia, "NOTE #1: This is a Mid slot item. NOTE #2: It apparently has no effect on Mining Drones." (Source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Drone_Navigation_Computer_I)
You're looking at the drone navigation computer. Which is completely different than the skill in question which is called Drone Navigation.
Originally by: Seraphina Hero
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Hate to burst your bubble but only the guardian vexor can control that many drones. (And carriers and supercarriers etc)
Really? I saw a guy mining in my field I was in today that had 7 combat drones (Interceptors, I think) & 3 mining drones around him. He was in a Covetor... How is that possible?
Well, whatever he had around him they weren't interceptors. Because those aren't drones at all. Maybe someone else assigned drones to him?
At any rate, mining drones are decidedly meh. They're flimsy, slow, and don't yield much ore at all when compared to strip miners. In fact, you might get more minerals by looting wrecks your light/medium combat drones create and reprocessing whatever comes out.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.03.15 12:06:00 -
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Ok, so far so good.
Mining Drone OP and Drone Interfacing are the only two skills who primarily have an impact on mining yield. Drone Navigation will make your drones move faster to the next roid.
There is no (mining) vessel (beside carriers and such)) that can field more than 5 drones, and if you would own a guardian vexor (who can field 10 if i¦m right) you would hide this diamond in your hangar and never send him to belts for mining.
Mining Drone II is your best option, cause the "harvester mining drone" is so slow, it takes ages to reach the roid.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.15 13:32:00 -
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Use your Strip Miner II's to grab the roids that are 20km away while your Mining Drone II's eat the roids that are right next to you.
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Mensche
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Posted - 2011.03.15 13:48:00 -
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Drone navigation does has no effect on mining drones. Navigation boosts the microwarp drive speed of drones, which Mining drones don't have. The only way to cut down on time is to park ~2km from the asteroid and use the lasers to hit further rocks.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.03.16 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mensche
Drone navigation does has no effect on mining drones. Navigation boosts the microwarp drive speed of drones, which Mining drones don't have. The only way to cut down on time is to park ~2km from the asteroid and use the lasers to hit further rocks.
I¦ve read the evelopedia and the description of the skill and of the mining drones, and can¦t find anything why drone navigation should not affect mining drones as well. They have no mwd? Are the coal-fueled?
Can you provide a link?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.16 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Greg Huff on 16/03/2011 11:09:48
Without locating an official statement confirming they do not have MWD's you can easy compare their stats to see the evidence.
Mining Drone I's have a max flight speed of 400m/sec.
Mining Drone II's have a max flight speed of 500m/sec.
Both of these have a volume of 5m3 which compares to Light Scout Drone.
Hobgoblin I's have a max. flight speed of 2800m/sec. They are the slowest of the Light Scout Drones.
Ogre I's are the slowest Heavy Scout Drones (25m3) and are still faster than Mining Drones with a max flight speed of 700m/s.
Logic would seem to confirm that Mining drones do not have MWD's.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.16 13:16:00 -
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Practically if you want to improve your mining income, dont waste skills on mining-drones.
You will find out after a longer time that drone mining sucks because you will loose them too often and you dont need them, instead you want use small drones to kill rats.
Mining in a hulk needs other skills, maximize those. The income from mining drones is pathetic, but the hassle using them is enormous.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.16 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Greg Huff on 16/03/2011 15:11:06
I respectfully disagree with you. If you pay attention when your mining you won't lose your drones very often, if at all. A lot depends on where you're mining and how you manage your operation.
For instance, living in wormspace I use mining drones all the time and have never lost any of them. Although they don't gather nearly as much ore as my hulks do, it's still ore and has value. And there's virtually no hassle to speak of. Don't mine the same roid that you have them assigned to and they'll happily keep working until it pops. By that time you can have a few other rocks done.
Like so much else in this game, it's a matter of opinion.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:28:00 -
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I too disagree with Aphrodite. Hulks dronebay perfectly fits a full flight of Light Scout Drones AND a full flight of Mining Drone. When the roid you send them to mine is in good/perfect range, they nearly pull in the amount of a circle of your strip miner II in those 10 to 12 min you need to fill your cargohold.
That beeing said, it reduces your stay in belt by about a minute, to fill your cargo.
Ofc it¦s not meant for being AFK, incoming rats tend to agress your miners.
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:17:00 -
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Count me as another who disagrees with Aphrodite.
With maxed skills (as relates to mining drones) you can pull in 937.5 m3 in 3 drone cycles. This almost equals a mediocre skilled strip miner.
Realistically (unless you are also going to be a carrier pilot) you probably won't train Drone Interfacing to 5, this would reduce the output of the drones to 843.75 m3.
Throw in some drone rigs (you are dropping the ore into an Orca, right) and you increase the drone yield even more.
While it is true that mining drones will never be equal to a single fully boosted/trained Modulated Strip Miner II with T2 crystal, they will increase your yield. So what if it is only a 5%-10% (depending on skills)?
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Bohawke
Gallente
The Kharon Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:33:00 -
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I also disagree with Aphrodite...
I run a 4-man mining op: 1 Orca, 2 Hulks & 1 Retriever (Retriever pilot is almost ready for a hulk). All my pilots use mining drones while mining in High-Sec, and I intentionally place my pilots within 2,000 m of the intended drone mining target. I never mine the same 'roids as the drones so as to allow them to mine continuously as much as possible.
As is, I can fill up every available m3 of Volume in the Orca in 36 minutes (using 20 mining drones). When I don't use any mining drones, it takes me 48 minutes to fill the Orca. That 12 minutes may not seem like much to some people, but if you do 2-3 full Orca loads it will add up.
I can dedicate 3 hours to a mining op. Without drones, I'm lucky if I fill the Orca 3 times, but with drones I always fill the Orca up 4 times. Since I can haul 167,000-ish of m3 per load, I like being able to haul in 668,000-ish of m3 over 501,000-ish of m3 per mining op.
(Just a note - that 3 hours includes all the time getting the ships out of dock, to the 'roid belt, set up in position and getting everyone back into dock when done. Also my Orca pilot is less than a week away from implanting the mining foreman mindlink, so there is still room for improvement)
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Lord DarkStar
Gallente
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.19 21:11:00 -
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Well, with almost max skills, and max skills its around 2-3 mins difference for filling a jetcan. When I strip belts that's a around 20 cans so it can save some time. Sure mining drones don't bring in as much per run as a strip miner but unless you have unlimited time and only want to strip 1 belt then fine, but for time verse isk they are totally worth it for the serious miner. Also it isn't hard to use them or anything, never had an issue just don't be completely afk mining and switch to scouts when rats come. No big.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Badger
Edited by: Doctor Badger on 15/03/2011 03:21:44
Originally by: Ruziel
The only drone skills that improve your yield are Mining Drone Operation and Drone Interfacing.
Technically Drone Navigation also has a negligible but real impact on yield.
Also recommended, for the serious drone mining enthusiast:
Advanced drone interfacing
Racial Carrier
Going down this route and using mining drone rigs, it is possible to achieve 1362m^3/minute in a carrier and 2270m^3/minute in a supercarrier, rising to nearly 2600m^3/minute in the latter case if T2 rigs are used.
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