Originally by: Ozmodan

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The problem with Eve is, most players can't disassociate a MMO from playing an FPS. Playing a MMO requires an entirely different mindset as things are not ethereal as in a FPS. The ones who tell you it is just a game are the ones who just don't get it.

All you have to do is look at the level of cheating that goes on in these games to understand the mentality that many approach this game. How anyone can cheat at anything and think it is ok is amazing, yet even in Eve we see illegal bots everywhere.

There are few honorable players in this game, best to assume your opposition is not.

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Originally by: Ana Vyr

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Chess is a set piece battle in which you are starting out with equal assets. The objective it to defeat the other player through structured rules (and out of game distractions in some cases as well...trying to rattle your opponent).

Eve is a virtual life scenario where battles are not equal unless you've made a mistake picking your fights. You don't have to spend three weeks of playing chess to "buy" your rooks for a given game as you might in eve.

I can see the comparisons to chess, but I don't think the two scenarios are similar enough to use chess as a way of explaining the motivations of people who play eve. There's more at stake in eve...which in many ways makes it more compelling a game.

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Originally by: Ana Vyr

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Originally by: Baaldor

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The view you have is what you have emotionally invested in the game.

In which makes you a target.

You are nothing but pixels.

I am allowed to scatter and steal your pixels.

It is a game, nothing more and nothing less.

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To me, a game in which there is no emotional investment, be that chess or EvE, is not one worth playing at all. Don't you try to win when you game? Don't you invest time and thought into what you do in game? Is your time and thought worthless?

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Originally by: Tza Omi

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You are saying you spit on the visitors... your family must be sooo proud

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Originally by: Tza Omi

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Originally by: Baaldor

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Originally by: Tza Omi

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You are saying you spit on the visitors... your family must be sooo proud

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Hahaha, no, this is not personal, just judgmental.

If you look a bit further down your nose, you will notice a bugger.

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Yeah I reserve the right to have an opinion about everything I read and I stand by my observation.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: EglantinFinfleur

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Common sense dictates that anybody with a hint of good will towards his fellow man won't engage in gratuitous ganking or scamming, given the fact that losing ships or isk equals quite a lot of time lost.

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Common Sense? In my experience that's short-hand for "unexamined assuption".

I'll repeat my earlier question: why is it harder to belive that a normally good person can pretend to be an ebil piwate than it is to believe that they can pretend to be an immortal, god-like starship captain?

In other words, why do you think people can't engage in "moral roleplaying"?

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Is it a coincidence that the jerks out to harass choose to be grief players in Eve? I think not. They choose to be so because the game allows them to use it as a tool to bring real life discomfort to others.

To say that good people choose to "role-play" to be an ******* is laughable. There's no such thing as role-playing a jerk. Hell, take these forums as an example. Usually, the hostile loud-mouthed players against anyone that chooses to play differently from them (ie play a carebear) are grief players. Those usually ridiculing and showing e-peens are grief players.

So to answer your question on why is it harder to belive that a normally good person can pretend to be an ebil piwate than it is to believe that they can pretend to be an immortal, god-like starship captain?

Because their lack of ethics roles over and shows even when posting on the forums, where usually there is no role-playing. The way they carry themselves. And you can defend them and pretend that they're pastors and good samaritans in real life. But I'm betting on that they're either lying or restraining themselves due to real life consequences to their actions.

And your comeback a few posts ago that in cricket it's allowed to taunt and grief, I wasn't talking about whether it is allowed and legal on certain games or not. You see, that's not what this is about. It's about questioning whether it is ethically acceptable to do so. In my opinion, no, it isn't. I don't care that in cricket it is ok to spit on the players. To me, it's not what any sport should be about, unless it's a spitting competition, I guess :\.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Baaldor

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You wouldn't think someone with such supposed high moral fiber be associated with a bunch of immoral ****wits, especially playing a game that supports and promotes this kind of behavior.

Unless of course you are an attention ***** trying to be that special snow flake.

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You prove my point rather well, Baaldor.

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