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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:16:00 -
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EVE is a roll playing game, the entire point of the game is to be someone you're not (and I'm certainly not flying around in space). I don't see much of a difference between being a thieving scumbag on EVE and being a thieving scumbag in Fable/Mass Effect/Dragon Age/D&D - except that your opponents are (usually) a lot smarter when they're people.
You could think of it this way: We are roll playing as the most powerful things in the universe (fancy immortal pod pilots) and... well... power corrupts.
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Alotta Baggage
You rolling? 
Sometimes 
Also: your sig concerns me. Greatly.
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Oh, i kill rats, but there's really just no good reason to attack other players in this game outside of doing it just for 'lulz'.
It's easier for me to 'kill' players in other games because they aren't really losing anything, and you gain something for it other than their stuff.
There's plenty of "good" reasons to shoot other players in EVE (too many to list really), and it's losing something when you explode that makes pvp fun. Both the aggressor and the target have something to lose. Without that risk why pvp at all?
I've met plenty of good people who happen to also be pirates, several have even blown me up.
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Is it a coincidence that the jerks out to harass choose to be grief players in Eve? I think not. They choose to be so because the game allows them to use it as a tool to bring real life discomfort to others.
To say that good people choose to "role-play" to be an ******* is laughable. There's no such thing as role-playing a jerk. Hell, take these forums as an example. Usually, the hostile loud-mouthed players against anyone that chooses to play differently from them (ie play a carebear) are grief players. Those usually ridiculing and showing e-peens are grief players.
So to answer your question on why is it harder to belive that a normally good person can pretend to be an ebil piwate than it is to believe that they can pretend to be an immortal, god-like starship captain?
Because their lack of ethics roles over and shows even when posting on the forums, where usually there is no role-playing. The way they carry themselves. And you can defend them and pretend that they're pastors and good samaritans in real life. But I'm betting on that they're either lying or restraining themselves due to real life consequences to their actions.
And your comeback a few posts ago that in cricket it's allowed to taunt and grief, I wasn't talking about whether it is allowed and legal on certain games or not. You see, that's not what this is about. It's about questioning whether it is ethically acceptable to do so. In my opinion, no, it isn't. I don't care that in cricket it is ok to spit on the players. To me, it's not what any sport should be about, unless it's a spitting competition, I guess :\.
It's entirely possible to roll-play as some sort of horrible jerk - some people do it all the time. There are people who play games simply to grief or harass other player (they can be found in every multiplayer game and every forum), but not everyone who pirates/pvps/market pvps/scams are here to do that. I could try to draw parallels with chess or competitive sports or even monopoly, but that hasn't worked so far so I'll try this: Eve is a PVP game, if you're flying around in space carrying shinies and I blow you up and take them - well I'm gaining something in a competitive game. If you're missioning and selling your loot on the market and I'm 0.001-isking you to death I'm still working to better my position in a competition. Saying that by doing this I secretly have no personal ethics and am not a "good person" is, in your own words "laughable".
Speaking of "good" people... How do you decide whether or not a person is a good person? Is it how nice and polite they are to other people, or how much money they donate to charity, what? Arbitrary labels like "good person" don't really lend strength to an argument, considering it's pretty darn subjective.
</ barely coherent ramble>
Coffee time!
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sisohiv
The game doesn't actually lack Morality and ethics. It lacks a point.
<more stuff of interest was here>
I thought the point to eve was to argue on the forums instead of doing work?
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