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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.16 10:54:00 -
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Hello there dear readers,
A rather newbish-question related to wormholes.
I've read about the mass restriction on wormholes, however it is also my understanding that the class 1 wormholes act a bit different and ships allowed inside are not entirely governed by the limitations to mass. From what I've read only battlecruisers or smaller.
So my question is, what about industrial ships?
Ive had an industrial into a class 1 wormholes, what about Orcas and Freighters? How do they react to this 'special' shiplimitation on class 1 wormholes.
Also, anyone happen to know if it possible to setup a large tower and build carriers & dreadnoughts in a class 1 wormhole? (not sure about the size of the capital/large assembly arrays)
For anyone with the time to spare, thanks in advance
Talis
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Ami Quintero
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Posted - 2011.03.16 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ami Quintero on 16/03/2011 11:00:53
 Originally by: Talis Antebellum
So my question is, what about industrial ships?
Industrials can enter wormholes to a C1 system.
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Orcas and Freighters?
Orcas and Freighters cannot enter wormholes to a C1 system. I believe you can fit a packaged Orca in an industrial, but that's probably not what you're looking for!
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Also, anyone happen to know if it possible to setup a large tower and build carriers & dreadnoughts in a class 1 wormhole?
Anything that doesn't need sov. You need an Iteron V (or e.g. a Bustard) to fit the XL Ship Array through though.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.16 11:21:00 -
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Iteron V's are excellent for moving materials in and out of C1's. With cargo expanders and rigs you get over 38,000m3 in them. You will not be getting any freighters in and out of a C1.
You can build any ships except Capital's within a wormhole, even if you won't be able to take them out. I have a Rorqual in my C1. So, yes, Carriers and Dreadnoughts are allowed.
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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.16 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Quintero
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Thank you Mr/Mrs, you've been quite helpful.
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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.16 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
Iteron V's are excellent for moving materials in and out of C1's. With cargo expanders and rigs you get over 38,000m3 in them. You will not be getting any freighters in and out of a C1.
You can build any ships except Capital's within a wormhole, even if you won't be able to take them out. I have a Rorqual in my C1. So, yes, Carriers and Dreadnoughts are allowed.
You put me in doubt, first you say "You can build any ships except Capital's within a wormhole" and then you say you have a rorq in a c1.
What you meant by the first thing was that you cannot move them in(prebuilt) and/or build superCapitals in c1 - correct?
Sounds like its possible to build dreadnoughts, carriers, rorqs and orcas in a c1 WH systems from a POS. Please correct me if im wrong.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.16 12:33:00 -
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Sorry. You cannot build anything that requires the use of a Capital Ship Assembly Array. If it can be built and an X-Large Ship Assembly Array (or smaller) then it's fair game.
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
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Posted - 2011.03.16 13:44:00 -
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To make it easy for you Talis, the only ships you cannot produce in ANY wormhole are Super Capitals (Supercarriers or Titans)as it requires Sov. to do so and you can't have sov. in a WH
All other ships you are allowed to build and you can erect any size pos you want.
Here is a list of wormholes. This will tell you everything.
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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.16 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
Edited by: Greg Huff on 16/03/2011 12:36:31
Sorry. You cannot build anything that requires the use of a Capital Ship Assembly Array. If it can be built and an X-Large Ship Assembly Array (or smaller) then it's fair game.
Originally by: "X-Large Ship Assembly Array"
A mobile assembly facility where large ships such as Battleships, Carriers, Dreadnoughts, Freighters, Industrial Command Ships and Capital Industrial Ships can be manufactured.
Cheers mate, thanks for the clearification.
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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.16 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: BuckStrider
To make it easy for you Talis, the only ships you cannot produce in ANY wormhole are Super Capitals (Supercarriers or Titans)as it requires Sov. to do so and you can't have sov. in a WH
All other ships you are allowed to build and you can erect any size pos you want.
Here is a list of wormholes. This will tell you everything.
Thank you for the info, even tho I was aware of the sov & super-cap issue.
The site tells me the same mass figures as the evelopedia site but dosn't tell you that you cannot move say a freighter into a C1.
Example
C1 Wormhole B449 Max Mass Pr Jump 1,000,000,000would indicate that a freighter could enter a C1, even tho that is not the case.
Luckily that has already been clearified. Thank you all.
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Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2011.03.16 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 16/03/2011 14:35:58
Note that a B449 might not come from hisec. It may be random outgoing from a C5 or C6.
I prefer to use:
DaOpa's Wormhole Database
Static Mapper
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Wilddragon25
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:52:00 -
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Ok I kinda have a sub question off of this one, if a WH opens to a C5 can u move your capitals out?
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Talis Antebellum
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Posted - 2011.03.17 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 16/03/2011 14:35:58
Note that a B449 might not come from hisec. It may be random outgoing from a C5 or C6.
I prefer to use:
DaOpa's Wormhole Database
Static Mapper
Oh? It was my understanding that the location mentioned in the tables were the 'static-exit-location' so to speak, that is not correct?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.03.17 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wilddragon25
Ok I kinda have a sub question off of this one, if a WH opens to a C5 can u move your capitals out?
If the Max Jump Mass is greater than your Capital... yes. Originally by: Talis Antebellum
Oh? It was my understanding that the location mentioned in the tables were the 'static-exit-location' so to speak, that is not correct?
No. The locations listed on the tables (High-sec, C1, etc.) are the destinations.
My C1 w-space has a static N110. That means I always have an exit that will lead me directly to someplace in high-sec space. It could be in any region, any system, any security level. The w-hole is labelled N110 on the w-space side and K162 on the k-space side.
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Gertrude Sei
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Posted - 2011.03.17 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gertrude Sei on 17/03/2011 17:25:10
Originally by: Wilddragon25
Ok I kinda have a sub question off of this one, if a WH opens to a C5 can u move your capitals out?
Every Named WH (ie not a K162) connects a specific Class of System to another and will not appear in other classes of systems (exception is some WH's will spawn in High Sec, Low Sec and Null, even though they are technically different classes of space).
For instance a B274 will only be found in a Class 2 wormhole. A N110 will only be found in a Class 1.
So therefore, the C1 connection to a C5 will always be the same, and will always have the "single pass" mass limitation that limits the ship types. Same for the reverse of a C5 connecting to a C1. It will always be the same name and will always have the mass limitation.
So the ultimate answer is that any Battleship, Orca, Rorqual, Carrier and larger ships built in a C1 will be restricted to that C1 forever.
In regards to the B449 wormhole mentioned earlier. I don't know what type of system this can be found in, but I can be almost 100% sure you will never see one in a C1. Most likely that Wormhole type is either located solely in a C5 or C6, or connects Null, Low and High Sec to High Sec.
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