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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.03.17 18:10:00 -
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I'm just about to vote and considering three candidates based on their platform. Please let me know if this assessments are correct, or any advice/information that might be useful to my voting:
Karland - Market agenda
Trebor - All-around agenda, with some focus on MD/SI
srsnetpolitician - no transactions, make Incarna useful
I agree with all three agenda's in their own way. Does anyone else having anything to add? By the way, I no longer see Karland on the list to vote, what happened?
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:01:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Nypheas Azurai
By the way, I no longer see Karland on the list to vote, what happened?
i had a look as it seems surprising, but yeah he have disepeared from the list... and someone is also asking on his campaign thread, strange...
ps : and you forgot seleene on your choice list :P
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:17:00 -
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I like Trebor. The previous CSM was a great CSM and if he gets chair again he screws up Mittani's take over CSM plan.
<3 Kal but a vote for him is a vote for the 0.0/NC takes over CSM block, which I can not support any less.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:41:00 -
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If Kalrand has been removed from the voting process, do I get to cast my votes again?
Because I absolutely can't stand Trebor.
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:41:00 -
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Assuming I have my votes back I'm somewhat stumped as to who to vote for now 
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
If Kalrand has been removed from the voting process, do I get to cast my votes again?
Because I absolutely can't stand Trebor.
 Why'd you vote for Trebor if you can't stand him?
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
If Kalrand has been removed from the voting process, do I get to cast my votes again?
Because I absolutely can't stand Trebor.
Why'd you vote for Trebor if you can't stand him?
How could you possibly have read into my "I voted for Kalrand and want my votes to count" statement that I voted for Trebor?
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Bad Bobby
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
Assuming I have my votes back I'm somewhat stumped as to who to vote for now
I put 4 votes on Prometheus Exenthal and 4 on Elise Randolph.
I voted Prom because ship balance and small scale PvP need a champion on the CSM and he's the best man for the job. In my view it's one of the most important issues that the CSM could have an influence on.
I voted Elise out of loyalty to my alliance.
While neither are market focused candidates, I don't feel that any of the available candidates would be a suitable market champion. Even if there was a suitable candidate, I don't think the market needs much help from the CSM. Putting work into other areas of eve would have a more dramatic effect on the wellbeing of trade and industry as professions anyway.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
If Kalrand has been removed from the voting process, do I get to cast my votes again?
Because I absolutely can't stand Trebor.
Why'd you vote for Trebor if you can't stand him?
How could you possibly have read into my "I voted for Kalrand and want my votes to count" statement that I voted for Trebor?
Just wondering what the lack of Kalrand and your feelings towards Trebor have to do with each other 
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:24:00 -
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I'd considered Prom. But balance is done on a cyclic basis (Gal are next) and this is basically a design choice, I don't see the CSM being able to do anything about that.
As far as making solo and/or small scale PVP better I'm a strong believer in the HP buff being the starting point of its decline. At the moment I'm still looking for the next big thing, I was in on the ground floor for the Drake and much fun was had.
Bah, I need to go back and re-read them all again. 
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Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:27:00 -
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Gave 3 votes to Seleene's Iteration campaign.
As a former GM he really is best placed of all the candidates to get traction on a variety of issues.
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The Mattius
Enigma Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:48:00 -
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Same, Seleene got my votes
No idea what happened to Kalrand, but he would not have got my vote regardless.
I just couldn't separate (rightly or wrongly) his campaign and agenda, from those above him in Goonswarm.
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Bad Bobby
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.17 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
I don't see the CSM being able to do anything about that.
Someone has to do something about ship balance and CCP thus far has a very poor record in this very important area. I think they need help. If I have to choose only one man to put forward and help them, it's Prom. While I'll accept that he may have a hard time getting changes made, I think it's important for us to do what we can to improve this game in such a critical area.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
If Kalrand has been removed from the voting process, do I get to cast my votes again?
Because I absolutely can't stand Trebor.
Why'd you vote for Trebor if you can't stand him?
How could you possibly have read into my "I voted for Kalrand and want my votes to count" statement that I voted for Trebor?
Just wondering what the lack of Kalrand and your feelings towards Trebor have to do with each other
I voted for Kalrand (and therefor not for Trebor). If Kalrand is out, then my votes don't potentially assist a candidate in getting ahead of Trebor (and thereby keeping Trebor out of the CSM).
In other words, a vote for one candidate is de facto a vote against all the other candidates, due to the rules.
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Lynx Australis
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:51:00 -
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WTF is CSM?
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:53:00 -
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OIC. Don't worry, I am pretty sure Trebor's gonna make it. 
Where did he touch you anyway? from what Ive read and seen, he seems like a pretty okay guy, if one with a terrible portrait.
Concord just killed my post for pyramid quoting heh.
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Lynx Australis
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Edited by: Tutskii on 17/03/2011 21:57:37
OIC. Don't worry, I am pretty sure Trebor's gonna make it.
Where did he touch you anyway? from what Ive read and seen, he seems like a pretty okay guy, if one with a terrible portrait.
Concord just killed my post for pyramid quoting heh.
CSM is Council of Stellar Management. It is a publicity stunt/useful forum for guiding CCP's designs. The amount of power and influence of it are up to debate and interpretation.
The voting period for the people on it, is on at this time, you can find more information at www.eveonline.com as well as a link to vote.
The previous CSM (of which Trebor was chair) counts the removal of the learnings amongst their achievements (was it because of em? was it not? happened under them regardless!). So I'm supporting him, there is also currently a "secret" (although everyone knows about it) plan by Mittens of Goonswarm to fill the CSM with 0.0 denizens so that he may steer the CSM as he wishes, a lot of people, I included, think this is less than good.
Regardless, there are several candidates, and there may be one you like to vote for as your voice to CCP, and who gets to go to iceland and have a great time. Or don't vote, as I hear most don't :)
So it's some kind of cool nerds club?
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lynx Australis
Originally by: Tutskii
Edited by: Tutskii on 17/03/2011 21:57:37
OIC. Don't worry, I am pretty sure Trebor's gonna make it.
Where did he touch you anyway? from what Ive read and seen, he seems like a pretty okay guy, if one with a terrible portrait.
Concord just killed my post for pyramid quoting heh.
CSM is Council of Stellar Management. It is a publicity stunt/useful forum for guiding CCP's designs. The amount of power and influence of it are up to debate and interpretation.
The voting period for the people on it, is on at this time, you can find more information at www.eveonline.com as well as a link to vote.
The previous CSM (of which Trebor was chair) counts the removal of the learnings amongst their achievements (was it because of em? was it not? happened under them regardless!). So I'm supporting him, there is also currently a "secret" (although everyone knows about it) plan by Mittens of Goonswarm to fill the CSM with 0.0 denizens so that he may steer the CSM as he wishes, a lot of people, I included, think this is less than good.
Regardless, there are several candidates, and there may be one you like to vote for as your voice to CCP, and who gets to go to iceland and have a great time. Or don't vote, as I hear most don't :)
So it's some kind of cool nerds club?
They are to us what we are to nerds.
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Jonathon Silence
Thorny Rose Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:36:00 -
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The same question about Kalrand on the voting page has been posted in Jita Park. Nothing has been mentioned by CCP and Kalrand has been quiet as well.
Hopefully it is a bug, but on the safe side I would suggest looking at alternate candidates and also if someone who voted for Kalrand could check to see if they got their votes back or to log a petition about it and see if they get a response.
Jonathon Silence
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1472967
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Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:43:00 -
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i voted for kalrand.
tried to vote for someone else just now, & it come up as my vote has been registered.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:47:00 -
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Verified I do not have my votes back.
And verifying that Trebor's platform is where he touched me on the doll, basically everything he says makes me cringe.
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 17/03/2011 23:47:08
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
I don't see the CSM being able to do anything about that.
Someone has to do something about ship balance and CCP thus far has a very poor record in this very important area. I think they need help. If I have to choose only one man to put forward and help them, it's Prom. While I'll accept that he may have a hard time getting changes made, I think it's important for us to do what we can to improve this game in such a critical area.
For as much of a market ***** as I am I put both my votes towards Prom. He's part of a very small group of elites that have an exceptionally high level of understanding of how ship balance works, and knows how to get the absolute most out of a ships. You could throw pretty much any ship choice at him and he could spit back the unseen consequences pretty fast.
It's one of the very very few places where the major consequences of an idea can be determined to a high degree of accuracy and 'right' and 'wrong' can be narrowed down. However, to do that you *have* to have someone who is a pro pilot. I consider myself a pretty solid pilot and I have no idea what the full consequences of reducing Dramiel locking ranges would be or adding a midslot to the Enyo or whatever.
Really we need a fighter ace in every CSM.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:57:00 -
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Kalrand has scammed you all of your votes, well done
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.18 00:09:00 -
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I voted for Darius III, what can be better for the market than a hisec pirate griefer blowing >trillion in transport ships around Jita?
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Expert Troll
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Posted - 2011.03.18 00:21:00 -
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See what happens when you vote for a goon. 
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathon Silence
The same question about Kalrand on the voting page has been posted in Jita Park. Nothing has been mentioned by CCP and Kalrand has been quiet as well.
He pulled an Ankh?
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Jonathon Silence
Thorny Rose Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Jonathon Silence
The same question about Kalrand on the voting page has been posted in Jita Park. Nothing has been mentioned by CCP and Kalrand has been quiet as well.
He pulled an Ankh?
No idea. I am hearing 'lots' of UNSUBSTANTIATED rumours about what has happned (some of them rather wild and contradictory) but, I have heard nothing definite, nor seen proof one way or another.
Jonathon Silence
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1472967
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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2011.03.18 03:44:00 -
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Kalrand registered about 2 seconds before the deadline if I remember correctly. I find it much more likely that the visa paperwork went awry after the voting had already begun than some odd ****amamie Kalrand scheme.
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Misty McGinnity
Mystify Trading Company
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Posted - 2011.03.18 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Celadon
my portrait is horrible
i too voted for Kalrand.
and i would have gotten away with it too, of it wasn't for you rascally kids!!
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr
Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.18 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Kalrand requested to have his candidacy withdrawn after the election started and thus we removed him from the candidacy list. Any votes for him will have to stay with him, as (it has been explained above) we cannot link votes to voters. The voting system was specifically designed to leave no record of what user voted (only that the user has voted), even though it leads to being unable to fulfill requests like this one.
Linkage
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:01:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Kalrand requested to have his candidacy withdrawn after the election started and thus we removed him from the candidacy list. Any votes for him will have to stay with him, as (it has been explained above) we cannot link votes to voters. The voting system was specifically designed to leave no record of what user voted (only that the user has voted), even though it leads to being unable to fulfill requests like this one.
Linkage
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:06:00 -
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Whatever "plot" it was - it's disappointing. I learned to respect Kalrand, despite him being a Goon, and also "wasted" my vote on him.
I'd like to hear from himself what the reason was that led to his decision. It could be a case of RL > EVE, for example. Or it could be a typical Goon stunt, as you stated.
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
I don't believe so. He seemed like he was struggling with the decision from the beginning. I think it was more a case of not thinking through before submitting. Thankfully, I procrastinated and before I got around to voting for him I noticed his absence.
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Krythas
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grimhowl
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
I don't believe so. He seemed like he was struggling with the decision from the beginning. I think it was more a case of not thinking through before submitting. Thankfully, I procrastinated and before I got around to voting for him I noticed his absence.
I'd second this, and it wouldn't surprise me if things internal to the alliance came to play (he would have been taking votes away from the two goon candidates and it wouldn't surprise me if that ****ed them off somewhat)
No doubt he will come on and tell us the reasoning behind it.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:15:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee back his action.
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Krythas
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:21:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 18/03/2011 13:16:29
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
10/10
Thanks for this, it has cleared up a lot of rumours :-)
A little peeved that I lost my vote in that it will no longer count, but also happy in your judgement that you acted on something you saw as unfair and took a principled stand.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 18/03/2011 13:16:29
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
Think you could share the details?
Resigning to protest doesn't have a lot of effect if people don't know what you were protesting.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:25:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tutskii
Think you could share the details?
Originally by: Kalrand
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Barbsi
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:26:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 18/03/2011 13:16:29
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
Typical goon behavour. When things dont go their way they act selfish. I guess you haven't think of people that put trust in you,haven't you? Oh btw since that "disagreement" with CCP, which it was so big you withdrew from the race, can I have your stuff? I mean after all this I guess you'll be quit playing as well.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:30:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Barbsi
I mean after all this I guess you'll be quit playing as well.
Hardly. Taking it easy for a few days? Yea. Quitting? No.
Vote KALRAND for CSM! |
Shandir
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:32:00 -
[41]
Perhaps you should speak to CCP and okay you releasing details, and release as much details as you are allowed.
Otherwise, your explanation will look empty.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Barbsi
Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 18/03/2011 13:16:29
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
Typical goon behavour. When things dont go their way they act selfish. I guess you haven't think of people that put trust in you,haven't you? Oh btw since that "disagreement" with CCP, which it was so big you withdrew from the race, can I have your stuff? I mean after all this I guess you'll be quit playing as well.
that sounds like a pretty common human behavior. Maybe he HAS thought about it, but was waiting for the CSM elections to be over to explain it?
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:36:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Shandir
Perhaps you should speak to CCP and okay you releasing details, and release as much details as you are allowed.
Otherwise, your explanation will look empty.
The only reason I'm responding at all is I felt the conversation was about to take the "ZOMG! MITTANI PLOT!" turn for the stupid.
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr
Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:39:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 18/03/2011 13:41:28
Originally by: Kalrand
The only reason I'm responding at all is I felt the conversation was about to take the "ZOMG! MITTANI PLOT!" turn for the stupid.
damn, I was just about to write up a theory that took your statements into account and came down to "ZOMG! MITTANI PLOT!" 
(i.e. CCP being unable to do anything about PLEX for hours misuse in favor of official goon candidates)
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.03.18 14:27:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
(i.e. CCP being unable to do anything about PLEX for hours misuse in favor of official goon candidates)
I vote for this Mittens plot.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.18 14:29:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 18/03/2011 13:16:29
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Does that mean that Kalrand's candidacy was just a plot to siphon votes away from everyone except The Mittani?
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
As someone who was wanting to represent the players and act on the CSM in the players interests don't you think it would be doing them a disservice by not speaking up about what you felt was a strong enough issue to force you off the CSM candidacy list? Or do you only care what people think if it got you a free flight to iceland? ;)
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 14:44:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
As someone who was wanting to represent the players and act on the CSM in the players interests don't you think it would be doing them a disservice by not speaking up about what you felt was a strong enough issue to force you off the CSM candidacy list?
I'll make a post next year with my criticisms if I feel that it will help the CSM 7 election be handled better. Saying anything now will invariable be lost in the noise surrounding the ongoing campaigning.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.03.18 14:58:00 -
[48]
Thanks, Kalrand, for at least the little bit of information you thought was safe to share with us.
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Kaivar Lancer
Transtellar Import and Export
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Posted - 2011.03.18 15:59:00 -
[49]
Something doesn't seem right. I smell an agenda.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.18 16:06:00 -
[50]
Was the decision related to that stickied thread in Jita Park? In any case, I'm very disappointed and can't shake off the suspicion that your aborted candidacy will have done the Mittani quite a lot of good by draining a good number of MD votes away from the candidates who would have most likely been his main competition for the Chair. Obviously this is tinfoil hattery but I would feel a lot better if I had some idea of what CCP did to cause you to junk my votes and disenfranchise me .
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:22:00 -
[51]
Whew, I'm glad I voted for Manalapan 
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:28:00 -
[52]
plz b trollin
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Barbsi
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:43:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Barbsi
I mean after all this I guess you'll be quit playing as well.
Hardly. Taking it easy for a few days? Yea. Quitting? No.
Fair answer. But with all due respect your decision was chidlish. No matter what happened with CCP you should stick with your supporters no matter what. They voted for you because of your program, because of what you stand for and h*ll they voted for you who you are. If there is any problem or different opinion about CSM (regarding to CCP) you could change that as member of CSM, or trying to. You can change things from inside and not outside. But yet you missed that.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:59:00 -
[54]
ZOMG! MITTANI PLOT!
Et tu, dillweed?
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.03.18 19:24:00 -
[55]
i got vote trolled by kalrand
step1 write up drama
step2 use wingdings
step3 we translate via times new roman
step4?????
step5 profit
its a good plan because i used 5 steps
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.18 19:26:00 -
[56]
at least you can invest in his kalbonds .. until they also disappear because CCP is baad and its all in pr0tust!one7
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Barbsi
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Barbsi
I mean after all this I guess you'll be quit playing as well.
Hardly. Taking it easy for a few days? Yea. Quitting? No.
Fair answer. But with all due respect your decision was chidlish. No matter what happened with CCP you should stick with your supporters no matter what. They voted for you because of your program, because of what you stand for and h*ll they voted for you who you are. If there is any problem or different opinion about CSM (regarding to CCP) you could change that as member of CSM, or trying to. You can change things from inside and not outside. But yet you missed that.
Withdrawing from an election to protest it's legitimacy is the fairly standard response, actually.
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Raphael Rose
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:53:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kalrand
No.
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are wrt talking about conversations with CCP employees in the forum, so I've been silent on the issue.
I got into a disagreement with a CCP employee regarding their actions with respect to the CSM election. I didn't feel it was being handled fairly, and withdrew from the race when a higher level employee backed his action.
I applaud you for taking a stand and am happy that non of the other rumours doing the rounds as to you reason for withdrawing turned out to be true.
Good luck.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:40:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Weaselior
Withdrawing from an election to protest it's legitimacy is the fairly standard response, actually.
That's how I feel on the issue. Unfortunately while politicking for the election was still going on, it was the only action I could take to give my argument any legitimacy. Without doing that I'm either "still campaigning", "a sore loser", "trying to manipulate results" or other similar attacks on my motivation. I have nothing to gain at this point, so in a way, it frees me to seek change with the issue I'm taking point with.
I sent something in to CCP's Internal Affairs today. I'll be basing anything I do in the future with how this is handled.
I know that this sounds quite cryptic, but it's a relatively boring, though legitimate, issue that could only be address properly this way.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:49:00 -
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Good luck dealing with this issue Kalrand. As I have also been disenfranchised I am looking forward to finding out why and encourage you to have the matter looked into.
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Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
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Posted - 2011.03.19 05:13:00 -
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While I didn't vote for Karland, it was good to see someone supporting or supported by a community like the MD forums. While I personally can't stand the seriousness of this part of the forums everyone should get represented.
Goodluck with next year.
Serious IP.
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pmchem
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.19 05:20:00 -
[62]
Kalrand got screwed by stupid CCP jita park policies, I'll blackmail him to make full reasons public post-election if he doesn't do it himself.
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr
Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.19 08:06:00 -
[63]
Originally by: RAW23
Was the decision related to that stickied thread in Jita Park?
if the issue really is that Kalrand can't be bothered to read his evemail or to follow Jita Park... *speechless*
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.23 11:34:00 -
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Now that the voting is over are you going to provide an explanation? I don't think there is anything to be gained from waiting until the next election. At the moment we still have some election fever and a lull until the results are announced. An ideal time for some controversy I do think 
Personally the mods screwed up by moving any thread that mentioned the election to here to die under the blaze of bumping by the top candidates of their threads.
That action just pandered to well established interest groups and prevented emergent candidates from building a constituency.
If CCP really wished to maximise participation they should have left election threads dealing with specific aspects in their related forum sections providing they were electioneering with the appropriate context.
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