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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.17 18:23:00 -
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If the servers already use Ubuntu, then don't read this post:
I found a site that let's you download the Ubuntu Operating System, and after looking at it, I started thinking about how it could be applied to EVE. Maybe you guys could put it on the Test Servers to see how it performs and to make it easier to detect Linux bugs. And don't worry, Ubuntu still supports Virtual Computers, allowing you to use Windows or Mac if needed.
https://www.ubuntu.com/business/server/overview
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Jenna Malone
Caldari W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2011.03.17 18:49:00 -
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.17 18:51:00 -
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HOW DARE YOU MOCK CAPTAIN PICARD!
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:28:00 -
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Why would you use Ubuntu for a server?
Why would you test an OS that isn't used for EVE? ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
bassie12bf1
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Posted - 2011.03.17 19:33:00 -
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Ubuntu would be an OS for people who don't know much about linux.
Besides, CCP would have to convert their Microsoft based stuff to linux.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:19:00 -
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Answer: Virtualization
They just have to back up their data and then either run a virtual Ubuntu system on their current system OR run a virtual windows and/or mac system on Ubuntu. Ubuntu also has alot of advantages, such as better security, better accessabilit, better performance, better custimization, etc. Next time, try looking at the website.
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David Carel
Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:21:00 -
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Go back to your master Shuttleworth.
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Paul Satre
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Posted - 2011.03.18 02:17:00 -
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Ubuntu is a DESKTOP linux distro.
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Mohr Cowbell
Akuma Capsule Corp Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 02:41:00 -
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There is a server edition of Ubuntu available. But still, I don't quite understand the OP. Maybe he meant testing the EVE client under Ubuntu/wine (?). In which case, Linux isn't even supported anymore. |
Commander Kahn'Alzaor
Gallente Sliced Awesome
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Posted - 2011.03.18 03:58:00 -
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Redhat servers or GTFO
Honestly though CCP are WAY to far committed to the Microsoft environment. CCP moving to open source solutions would mean even LESS fixes for old rubbish likes POS and less new featuers while they retool everything.
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Jenna Malone
Caldari W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2011.03.18 05:57:00 -
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Is there a sale on armchairs or something?
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari on 18/03/2011 09:08:55
Originally by: David Carel Go back to your master Shuttleworth.
What the hell is that suppossed to mean?
Originally by: Paul Satre Ubuntu is a DESKTOP linux distro.
Ubuntu also has a server version. Next time, you LOOK at the website before you make posts. Ssimiliar with reading the entire post, and paying attention to/thinking about all of the facts. I do that before I post, but some of you guys, I don't mean to sound offensive about it, but for most of you guys I highly doubt you read and think about everything before yu make your post.
Here is the stupid website AGAIN in case you forgot to read everything on there the first time: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/server/overview
Happy now?
Also, you can use a virtual operating system, such as a virtual Ubuntu system on windows r a virtual windows system on Ubuntu, which I think I said already, but you idiots never listen to me.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.18 11:35:00 -
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Hello,
Right now you are if anything hindering FOSS not helping it. 'When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail' and all that. There's no evidence that changing server OS would do anything but take up manhours, and clearly CCP know about such options as the game's got a lot written in (Stackless) Python. There's been mentioning of building a mechanism to move Sols/ingame systems across hardware without (localised) downtime, basically a VMotion equivalant to reinforce a node as needed, so I think it's safe to say they're aware of VMs too.
I'm not sure if we've seen a DevBlog reporting any testing of different OSs or virtualisation, even evidence that there's no improvement or important tradeoffs would be cool. Yes the other issue is that the databases at least are SQL Server. |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 12:21:00 -
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Um... hello? Have you looked at the website like I suggested? I am in a bad mood because of people like you. You guys could at least show a little appreciation to people's ideas for once. Oh, I get it, you only listen to your parents. That just means you suck. I am done listening to you sheep. Go eat the grass over there and get on with your lives.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.18 12:38:00 -
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Have you? Your links don't even work...
Been using Mandrake/Mandriva since '02 (which is not relatively long I know). Been in one of the largest companies in the world for almost 5 years. Linux has it's place, it is great for many server situations (and netbooks, phones, routers etc). You are not providing any evidence that CCP is in one of those situations, nor can you easily. You can politely suggest it or ask what their results were from checking it out, but stop there. To keep harping on makes you seem immature and doesn't help the thing you're pushing. People want to see that those supporting something have intelligence and knowledge before spending time and money, not just blinkers on.
You know CCP had a native linux client right? They paid Cedega I believe for a WineX custom package, but then cancelled that when the Windows client worked better with FOSS Wine. They're not ignorate, go read the Dev Blogs we're fortunate to get, there's stuff about where the bottlenecks are for the various performance issues. |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 12:43:00 -
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I made a typo with my links, so I updated them. Big deal. Fund, go to the stupid websites yourself by actually typing it in the address bar if you're so busy to notice that I made typos. I will fix the links for you, okay? Now stop being bossy about it and look at the websites when I am done.
www.ubuntu.com www.vmware.com
Now stop putting your trolling on my thread, I am sick of it. This forum is not for people to enforce their will.
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Jenna Malone
Caldari W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2011.03.18 14:12:00 -
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I think you're not getting it. He's telling you to get a ****ing clue. You don't know **** about Linux, it shows, that fact seeps out of all your orifices and drips onto your keyboard.
You're parading a stupid website around, not understanding a single shred of the product offered there.
You're like that 12 year old nerd kid in school, who thinks he's an ace computer hacker because he watched Hugh Jackman build a computer virus in 3dsmax in Password Swordfish.
Go away!
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:55:00 -
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Are you talking to me or to him, because if you're talking to me, then I will just block all words and gestures coming from you from reaching my brain, and I will force my brain to erase all of my knowledge of your existence and this conversation. Who do you think you are, my mother?
*Block*
CCP, I told you guys through an email that these forums were a troll magnet, maybe you should have listened. Everybody, read my new signature. And I swear never to change it ever again as long as I live (except to make the occasional improvement. -- Why do you observe the piece of dirt in your brother's eye but not notice the big piece of mud in your own? |
Mohr Cowbell
Akuma Capsule Corp Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.19 00:58:00 -
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And on that note.. I am selling Space Ponies which are on sale for this week only. Serious offers only please.
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Mohr Cowbell
Akuma Capsule Corp Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jenna Malone Is there a sale on armchairs or something?
Must be a blowout sale going on :D
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Shintomi
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: bassie12bf1 Ubuntu would be an OS for people who don't know much about linux.
Besides, CCP would have to convert their Microsoft based stuff to linux.
That's what wine is for.... I've used ubuntu on a few machines, and played eve on both servers with no problems.
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Althos Silverwing
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:39:00 -
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Changing OS would be pointless at this venture. Here are the reasons why: 1: Microsoft likely gives a decent deal to CCP to use their Server software. 2: Microsoft also likely gives CCP complete and undivided attention when a problem arises with the Operating System 3: Ubuntu is garbage. It is a poorly written open source version of Red Hat Linux, I know this because I use Red Hat Linux and my customers occasionally get the dumb idea to try to use our PBX software with Ubuntu, when our software comes with an Open basic copy of Red Hat, so I have to spend 4 hours fixing that. 4: Why on earth would you want to change out the OS when SQL works actually quite well for what CCP does?
Who needs money, I just want a fleet of Hulks I Can control from one main ship and watch them bring me the ore i so love to look at. |
SiLeNTFoRCe
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Posted - 2011.03.19 04:20:00 -
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wow... all i have to say is wow....
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.19 08:26:00 -
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This thread..is..are you serious? Seriously?
How, exactly, is Ubuntu going to outperform Server 2008? Not even factoring in support..
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Chris baileyy
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Posted - 2011.03.19 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mohr Cowbell And on that note.. I am selling Space Ponies which are on sale for this week only. Serious offers only please.
Lol
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 19/03/2011 10:33:35
Originally by: Batolemaeus How, exactly, is Ubuntu going to outperform Server 2008?
That's relatively easy, e.g. using a newer networking stack than older Windows (i.e. XP) which had a copy of a BSD one, or having a more tested and progressed one than the thing they rewrote to put in their newer OS editions (Vista+ I believe). Equal thinking can be applied to many other aspects such as memory and process support, as Linux has been constantly improved upon for decades by some of the best with the goal of doing it right rather than to a release deadline. Windows doesn't get that luxury. Plus you can custom build your OS to strip out things or use differently scaling approaches depending where bottlenecks are and what exact performance conditions you're dealing with.
And then there's the issues the newer Windows OSs have had with basic things like network and local file copies being slower, including degrading when you have e.g. music playing because of how entangled the DRM support is with it's secure media path enforcement. |
Meotherdude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:29:00 -
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Wouldn't normally bother posting on this type of thread, but something is bugging me ever so slightly that I can't quite put my finger on.
<RANT> Why the hell would CCP even bother re-tooling even a test version of EVE to another OS nevermind adding another layer between the EVE server software and the hardware (VMware or whatever).
Ever heard of a little thing like effort vs reward, the serious amount of work required verses maybe minimal gains, nevermind the lack of serious tech backup when things go fruit shaped.
Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of FOSS (me lubs debian), but having proper enterprise level backup from a company like M$ is worth it's weight in Trit. </RANT>
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Elmore Jones
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:47:00 -
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This has been a very amusing thread :) I'll skip trolling the OPs obvious lack of social ability...
The idea is sound, to a given value of sound. There's very little doubt that a BSD or Linux based server would be more secure and faster to some degree than a Windows based one - even MS' own Hotmail used a BSD server at one point as their own products weren't up to the job at the time (lol). However the fact that CCP has dropped Linux support for the game client might give the OP a small clue that they dont wanna go there. The support is a good point - I have no idea of MS suppoort costs vs say Oracle for Solaris OS or Redhat or Novell or Canonical etc but the point is pretty much moot if CCP dont wanna support any other *nix OS than Mac.
This does all in all make me a slightly sad panda because I love my *nix but that's the way it is, and I'm not quitting EVE just yet so MS it is. __________________________________________________
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:52:00 -
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I've been working with Linux servers for 13 years, and generally speaking, a out of the box Linux get better performance than a out of the box M$ server when it comes to I/O, both network and file. But I doubt the config of CCPs nodes, or the SQL server for that matter is 'out of the box' in any respect.
Also, this is a bit of guessing, but the python they are running is probably tweaked toward skipping any stupid I/O layers in the new win OSes (security and so on), and going straight for the underlying subsystem as there is huge gain to be had skipping the security decriptors. Adding a win emulator on top of any linux distro and expecting better performance than using a native win system is probably NOT a good idea.
At work, I'm the admin of a rather large database running on Linux, with postgresql as the backend DB, and python doing the handling of data. I'm rather pleased with the performance compared with another DB at work, running on win systems.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.03.19 13:23:00 -
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I just thought that maybe if the servers used Ubuntu, it would improve performance slightly since it has better security, not to mention that Linux is ultra efficient when it comes to RAM. Another thing, I checked the server page, it will apparently has low power consumption as well, which means CCP won't have to pay as many power bills and they can pay their staff slightly more (or reduce prices on things slightly, even though they are already low enough to make me buy plexes with my out-of-game money. -- Why do you observe the piece of dirt in your brother's eye but not notice the big piece of mud in your own? |
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