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Bobert Freemarket
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:37:00 -
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So am I the first? I contracted two PLEX at 666m total (Bobert Freemarket, 2011.03.20 14:30). Let me help you reduce the amount of ISK in the game and help the Red Cross while at it. =)
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Viaris
Global Economy Experts
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Bobert Freemarket
So am I the first? I contracted two PLEX at 666m total (Bobert Freemarket, 2011.03.20 14:30). Let me help you reduce the amount of ISK in the game and help the Red Cross while at it. =)
Thank you, Bobert Freemarket.
Contract Accepted on 2011.03.20 14:41.
At the current market prices your donation is 42,404,026.70 isk
Viaris Japan Donation Drive spreadsheet updated.
Cheers,
Viaris
Chief Executive Officer
Global Economy Experts
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Viaris Japan Donation Drive |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:17:00 -
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Do you think doing this is the best way to convince more people to join?
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Do you think doing this is the best way to convince more people to join?
May not be the best, but it helps to raise awareness within a short time that remains before the deadline. Got any better ideas?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Quinie Ro
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Do you think doing this is the best way to convince more people to join?
May not be the best, but it helps to raise awareness within a short time that remains before the deadline. Got any better ideas?
Well, posting that in the middle of a million scams might raise awareness, but I am not sure it's the kind of awareness you need 
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Quinie Ro
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Do you think doing this is the best way to convince more people to join?
May not be the best, but it helps to raise awareness within a short time that remains before the deadline. Got any better ideas?
Well, posting that in the middle of a million scams might raise awareness, but I am not sure it's the kind of awareness you need
It certainly does look like just another scam in local Jita, and many have flagged it as such, yet it was quite pleasing and at the same time amusing to see many others stepping up and arguing the opposite and defending it for what it is, as possibly the only legit post in local.
I don't mind cooking up a storm and even a inciting a bit of a controversy. Any publicity is good publicity. At the end of the day the truth will come out and nothing is more rewarding than rising up against all odds...
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Clara Sprudel
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Clara Sprudel on 20/03/2011 15:51:04
sorry, logged in with wrong character :(
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Hamox
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:53:00 -
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Viaris, check your contracts, you will find there a contract with 2 x Plex for 666666666.66 ISK.
Please accept.
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Viaris
Global Economy Experts
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hamox
Viaris, check your contracts, you will find there a contract with 2 x Plex for 666666666.66 ISK.
Please accept.
2x PLEX Contract
Issued By: Hamox
Date Issued: 2011.03.20 15:47
Date Accepted: 2011.03.20 15:58
Total Paid: 666,666,666 isk
For some reason the decimals get cut off in your contracts. Feel free to round up the last integer digit in the future to make up for it.
Thank you, Hamox.
At the current market prices your donation is 42,404,026.70 isk
These PLEXes have been forwarded to "CCP PLEX for GOOD" character as of 2011.03.20 16:05.
Viaris Japan Donation Drive spreadsheet updated.
Cheers,
Viaris |
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
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Posted - 2011.03.20 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Amarrius Ibn Pontificus on 20/03/2011 18:28:13
If memory serves, when the plex for Haiti campaign was set up by CCP there was the option to donate plex as well as isk, which CCP would then convert to plex. Can anyone from CCP inform if that's being done this time as well? It would be most helpful and save us all from shameless scams such as these.
Also should be noted that CCP does not tolerate scams on RL aid and donations for such causes. And once the plex for Japan comes to an end I (and surely many others) will personally petition and be a pain in their Icelandic arses until they verify what you did with each and everyone plex contracted to you during this period at the value mentioned and take apropriate action on all your accounts if this proves to be a scam.
And for the people falling for this scam, seriously stop being cheap ffs. If you're gonna spend 333 mil isk on a donation then add the market margin and donate it properly so you know your plex does make a difference in Japan and not to some overweight assexuated ****er living in a cave somewhere.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 20/03/2011 19:21:25
Originally by: Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
And for the people falling for this scam, seriously stop being cheap ffs. If you're gonna spend 333 mil isk on a donation then add the market margin and donate it properly so you know your plex does make a difference in Japan and not to some overweight assexuated wa*ker living in a cave somewhere.
I'm not commenting on whether this is a scam or not (I want to stay out of it with plex for aid, it's too prickly and easy to bite ya in the butt for gettin **** wrong (imagine if it's real, and you deter people from contributing that otherwise might have, or that it is a scam and you encourage people to donate via it, either way people could lose out based on what people on the forum are saying)), but your interpretation of it is incorrect - it is for people that have bought a plex with real life money, that then wish to sell it, they sell it to him for below market price so that he can gather more. So the person is not "being cheap" they are in fact taking LESS isk for the plex, and essentially donating the difference to the campaign. So if you are going to call scam on something at least understand what the **** you are talking about.
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Nicole Genebin
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Posted - 2011.03.20 20:49:00 -
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I recently joined his corp and developed a big respect for viaris, he's an honest chap with a lot of experience on his back.
Since ccp said they don't tolerate scams on this topic, he'd loose his years old account with 100+ mio sp and all the cash he's built up.
He has done all he can to make it transparent, if you still don't believe it then just donate to ccp or that charity directly. Don't troll and don't feed the trolls.
If it is genuine (as i'm convinced it is), wouldn't it be arrogant to clutter the thread with more scam/notscam-discussion than was already done ?
If you really have to discuss this anymore at least make a new thread, link to it here, and leave this one for on topic questions.
Why not just donate directly ? as i understood it (correct me if i'm wrong):
When you donate a plex directly to ccp you don't get any isk back.
When you sell a plex to Viaris, you get ~333mio isk, a bit lower than market, but the full plex gets donated.
When you sell a plex directly at market, you get a bit more isk, but nothing gets donated.
Why does Viaris not donate directly or put up a buy order for plex at market price ?
If he did the total number of plexes donated would only be his 50b divided by market price.
By encouraging others via this thread to sell him plex at a bit below the market price,
he can increase the amount of plex donated in total, and also raise awareness of the ccp offer at the same time.
I think it's a rather noble and generous offer,
and i've been thinking about trading a plex for isk for a while anyway, so i just contracted one now =)
Info by Issuer:Viaris Japan Donation Drive
Type: Item Exchange
Issued By: Nicole Genebin
Availability: Private, Viaris
Status: Outstanding
Location: Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Date Issued: 2011.03.20 20:28
Expiration Date: 2011.03.27 20:28 (6 days 23 hours)
Buyer will pay : 333,333,333 ISK (333.33 Million)
Buyer will get : 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) x 1
If you want to donate a full plex without anything back, give it directly to ccp.
If you want to donate isk but not a full plex, use the charity thread linked several times already.
If you want to get max isk for your plex and don't care about donations, sell it at market.
The offer by viaris is for those of us who want to turn plex into isk and do something for japan at the same time.
Fly safe,
N.G.
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Viaris
Global Economy Experts
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nicole Genebin
Info by Issuer:Viaris Japan Donation Drive
Type: Item Exchange
Issued By: Nicole Genebin
Availability: Private, Viaris
Status: Outstanding
Location: Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Date Issued: 2011.03.20 20:28
Expiration Date: 2011.03.27 20:28 (6 days 23 hours)
Buyer will pay : 333,333,333 ISK (333.33 Million)
Buyer will get : 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) x 1
1x PLEX Contract
Issued By: Nicole Genebin
Date Issued: 2011.03.20 20:28
Date Accepted: 2011.03.21 00:41
Accepted for: 333,333,333.00 isk
Thank you, Nicole Genebin.
At the current market prices your donation is 23,276,660.47 isk isk
My WTB 1x PLEX contract also got filled at 2011.03.21 00:41 by someone to remain anonimous till they approve listing their name.
These PLEXes have been forwarded to "CCP PLEX for GOOD" character as of 2011.03.21 00:52.
Viaris Japan Donation Drive spreadsheet updated.
So far 6x PLEXes collected, 6 contracted to CCP, 144 to go.
Cheers,
Viaris |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:00:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:05:25
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:02:54
My real question here is. ISK technically acording to the Eula has no Monetary Value.
So CCP is going to break their own Eula, Sell the ISK to an RMT, and Donate the cash for this?
Knowing CCP's stance on RMT... I dont think so.
I also seriously doubt the the CCP PFG is a real CCP program. I didn't actually see any CCP posters talking about it.
This being the case this entire thing reeks as a huge Ponzi Scam. And knowing CCP Scams get them Press, and Press brings publicity and hence More user accounts.
It would not suprise me if the whole thing was one huge scam and CCP is simply sitting back discussing what a wonderfully intelligent group of people the scammers are who have finally had enough temptation and gone bad.
News flash. CCP WILL NEVER BAN FOR SCAMMING (For any reason and have stated such multiple times) No matter how low imoral or subjugated, It will.. not.. Happen. I could run a scam about donateing to families for children who had just been killed by some terrible event on a global level. And CCP would allow it. There is no Moral line in EvE. There is no Black and white or good and Evil. And there is no Banning for Scamming no matter what the reason, or Meaning, or outcome, as has been made obvious by past scams.
They encourage it. Because it is an integral part of EvE Online.
Just my 2 cents.
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Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:09:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 02:15:16
Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 02:09:17
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
I also seriously doubt the the CCP PFG is a real CCP program. I didn't actually see any CCP posters talking about it.
CCP Zymurgist posts "Sticky: New Dev Blog: PLEX for Good: Japan" here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1482195
CCP Fallout posts "PLEX FOR GOOD: JAPAN" here: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=876
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
So CCP is going to break their own Eula, Sell the ISK to an RMT, and Donate the cash for this?
Knowing CCP's stance on RMT... I dont think so.
You obviously have no clue. All PLEXes in game came originally from GTCs that have been purchased for real money by players. So these money have come from players in the first place and gone to CCP for the game time that players afforded. What CCP is offering is to donate this money (backed by PLEXes that we are contracting back to them) to Red Cross. This effectively gives isk holders the opportunity to donate to a real world charity through CCP using PLEXes purchased from those who originally paid real $$ for them.
Would be good to hear more from CCP though and to confirm that PLEXes listed have indeed been forwarded to them as Viaris has claimed. |
Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
I also seriously doubt the the CCP PFG is a real CCP program. I didn't actually see any CCP posters talking about it.
Thanks for proving you are an ignorant dumbass.
Now at least everyone in EVE will know how stupid you are and not to listen to anything you say.
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:25:36
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:24:58
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
I also seriously doubt the the CCP PFG is a real CCP program. I didn't actually see any CCP posters talking about it.
Thanks for proving you are an ignorant dumbass.
Now at least everyone in EVE will know how stupid you are and not to listen to anything you say.
Your apparent and overwhelming intellectual supperiority amazes me. I mean seriously No joke. The Difference in meaning between the words Ignorant and stupid go apparently unoticed by your supperior intellect which I bow to.
Stupidity, Has nothing to do with ignorence.
Ignorence, means you simply are not aware, or do not know something. I am positive I can find things about EvE or any other subject which you are not aware of, Thus making you ignorent as well.
This still does not make you stupid, Though I don't expect you to understand that concept nor any of the above nor how you just showed people how ignorent you in fact are, about a great many things, This.. makes you Stupid.
Cheers :)
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Stupidity, Has nothing to do with ignorence.
So which are you?
I learned in elementary (primary) school the difference. You however, proved both in your post that the CCP PFG is not a real program despite the fact that it is on the login screen, the website, and pretty much anywhere on the internet that is EVE related.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:31:00 -
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Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:36:06
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:34:38
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 21/03/2011 02:33:37
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Stupidity, Has nothing to do with ignorence.
So which are you?
I learned in elementary (primary) school the difference. You however, proved both in your post that the CCP PFG is not a real program despite the fact that it is on the login screen, the website, and pretty much anywhere on the internet that is EVE related.
I would be "ignorent" about the OPs information as I have not seen nor was aware of any CCP post on the subject. I made an assumption, which was probably unwise. "shrugs". But hey, no one is perfect and I am sure you can remember a scam or 2 that was similer to this one on which one could form a basis for my post.
And as far as the information being "everywhere". I have not seen it on my login, Nor on the main website page, nor anywhere in my notifications. So obviously, it is not "everywhere".
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
I would be "ignorent" about the OPs information as I have not seen nor was aware of any CCP post on the subject. I made an assumption, which was probably unwise. "shrugs". But hey, no one is perfect and I am sure you can rememebr a scam or 2 that was similer to this one on which I had a basis for my post.
Then by all means click on the "report" link and report this thread as I know has been done so that CCP is even more aware and can monitor the OPs wallet transactions to make sure he is not scamming. Scamming under the PFG is a bannable offense, and should be deplored by anyone due to the nature of the program and the fact that CCP has itself has stated it is a bannable offense..
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Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
I would be "ignorent" about the OPs information as I have not seen nor was aware of any CCP post on the subject. I made an assumption, which was probably unwise. "shrugs". But hey, no one is perfect and I am sure you can rememebr a scam or 2 that was similer to this one on which I had a basis for my post.
Then by all means click on the "report" link and report this thread as I know has been done so that CCP is even more aware and can monitor the OPs wallet transactions to make sure he is not scamming. Scamming under the PFG is a bannable offense, and should be deplored by anyone due to the nature of the program and the fact that CCP has itself has stated it is a bannable offense..
Good idea. Anyone with doubts should click that "Report" link. If CCP confirms that the ongoing donation activity here is legit, the thread will stay up as it has so far, otherwise the thread would be shut down or whatever action that CCP takes to sort this out.
The only other reason for CCP to shut this down is if it gets too troublesome for them to monitor this activity and they throw in the towel. In that case if this is indeed a legitimate donation drive, then thousands of $$ will not reach Japan  .
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Quinie Ro
Good idea. Anyone with doubts should click that "Report" link...
Bad idea. The Report link only reaches the moderator team, whose job is to make sure that threads follow forum rules. There is nothing in this thread (except possibly a few off-topic posts) violating forum rules.
Originally by: Quinie Ro
...If CCP confirms that the ongoing donation activity here is legit, the thread will stay up as it has so far, otherwise the thread would be shut down or whatever action that CCP takes to sort this out.
CCP Devs and/or GMs will not start monitoring someones in-game activity in response to what they post on the forum, and you know it. My take is that you are trying to falsely instill into the community that your "donation drive" is sanctioned by CCP as long as this thread is not locked.
Additionally, I'm still missing a response to my offer to facilitate your donation of the full 50B. See post #27 in this thread.
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Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.21 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Additionally, I'm still missing a response to my offer to facilitate your donation of the full 50B. See post #27 in this thread.
Originally by: Barbicane
3) I will post a public apology to you, and then deposit the remaining isk with Chribba/Grendell, required to buy 150 plex at market price.
If you are willing to put forward the remaining 144*23.3m = 3,355m isk to be proven wrong. Why not take a much smaller risk of just 1x 23.3m isk donation and contract a PLEX to Viaris at his asking price. If it gets forwarded to CCP as promised, you donation will be matched 14 to 1 by Viaris. If it is really a scam, you will help expose it sooner. What do you stand to lose?
It is easy enough to ask others to give away the 50b. Why don't you put your own isk where your mouth is instead?
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Quinie Ro
It is easy enough to ask others to give away the 50b. Why don't you put your own isk where your mouth is instead?
You do have a point there... Let's do it like this then?
1) You deposit 50B with Chribba or Grendell
2) Chribba/Grendell posts on this thread confirming they received the isk
3) I post a public apology to you
4) I deposit 50B with Chribba/Grendell
5) Chribba/Grendell buy plex for the 100B and donate to CCP in both our names.
How about that? |
Quinie Ro
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Posted - 2011.03.21 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 05:17:33
Originally by: Barbicane
4) I deposit 50B with Chribba/Grendell
5) Chribba/Grendell buy plex for the 100B and donate to CCP in both our names.
Go ahead and donate your 50b in any way you like. You do not need Viaris to hold your hand, do you? |
Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Quinie Ro
Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 05:17:33
Originally by: Barbicane
4) I deposit 50B with Chribba/Grendell
5) Chribba/Grendell buy plex for the 100B and donate to CCP in both our names.
Go ahead and donate your 50b in any way you like. You do not need Viaris to hold your hand, do you?
If you are not Viaris, then please be quiet and let Viaris speak for himself.
My isk is destined for charity either way but I was planning to donate it in a different manner. If Viaris wants to see it go to the Plex for Japan campaign, he should either follow my plan or propose another way to guarantee to the community that his announced donation is indeed going those in need.
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Viaris
Global Economy Experts
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.03.21 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Viaris on 21/03/2011 07:01:34
Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: Quinie Ro
Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 05:17:33
Originally by: Barbicane
4) I deposit 50B with Chribba/Grendell
5) Chribba/Grendell buy plex for the 100B and donate to CCP in both our names.
Go ahead and donate your 50b in any way you like. You do not need Viaris to hold your hand, do you?
If you are not Viaris, then please be quiet and let Viaris speak for himself.
My isk is destined for charity either way but I was planning to donate it in a different manner. If Viaris wants to see it go to the Plex for Japan campaign, he should either follow my plan or propose another way to guarantee to the community that his announced donation is indeed going those in need.
It is great to see more people taking notice and turning to charity. Barbicane, I appreciate your offer to donate your 50b to Japan and I am sure you have what it takes to follow through with it without any further encouragement on my part. The people of Japan will appreciate it even more if you do live up to your good will.
My mission here is to spread awareness of the disaster that has hit Japan and appeal to everyone else out there to come forward and donate more than what I could ever do alone. I am here to offer my own isk in the form of a high ratio matching donation, a substantial incentive for others to come through. And my mission is partly successful with someone like you coming along and sharing your generosity. But please understand that if I was to take away my incetive to combine my entire donation with yours, we would not achieve a greater donation from the eve community than if we were to drive our donations separately and providing the necessary incentives to all others.
Now, you are free to donate your 50b in any manner you like. Take no offence, but I have my own way of handling my own isk, and I do not need anyone else's blessing. I have already put in place a transparent process of tracking anyone's contributions that leaves an easy audit trail for full accountability. If anyone has any concerns over the fate of their contributions, they are more than welcome to petition CCP to confirm my claims. It has been stated many times already that scamming in the word of RL charity is a bannable offence and I am well aware of it. If people think that I am prepared to sacrifice the last 8 years of my life for their 23.3m per PLEX contributed (no offence intended), they better think again. If they cannot trust me or cannot take the risk of 23.3m per PLEX for the greater good, in the face of an extremely unlikely possibility of a scam, then it is not my problem. My consciousness is clear and I do not need third parties to carry out my mission.
Kind Regards,
Viaris
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Krythas
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Viaris
Edited by: Viaris on 21/03/2011 07:01:34
Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: Quinie Ro
Edited by: Quinie Ro on 21/03/2011 05:17:33
Originally by: Barbicane
4) I deposit 50B with Chribba/Grendell
5) Chribba/Grendell buy plex for the 100B and donate to CCP in both our names.
Go ahead and donate your 50b in any way you like. You do not need Viaris to hold your hand, do you?
If you are not Viaris, then please be quiet and let Viaris speak for himself.
My isk is destined for charity either way but I was planning to donate it in a different manner. If Viaris wants to see it go to the Plex for Japan campaign, he should either follow my plan or propose another way to guarantee to the community that his announced donation is indeed going those in need.
It is great to see more people taking notice and turning to charity. Barbicane, I appreciate your offer to donate your 50b to Japan and I am sure you have what it takes to follow through with it without any further encouragement on my part. The people of Japan will appreciate it even more if you do live up to your good will.
My mission here is to spread awareness of the disaster that has hit Japan and appeal to everyone else out there to come forward and donate more than what I could ever do alone. I am here to offer my own isk in the form of a high ratio matching donation, a substantial incentive for others to come through. And my mission is partly successful with someone like you coming along and sharing your generosity. But please understand that if I was to take away my incetive to combine my entire donation with yours, we would not achieve a greater donation from the eve community than if we were to drive our donations separately and providing the necessary incentives to all others.
Now, you are free to donate your 50b in any manner you like. Take no offence, but I have my own way of handling my own isk, and I do not need anyone else's blessing. I have already put in place a transparent process of tracking anyone's contributions that leaves an easy audit trail for full accountability. If anyone has any concerns over the fate of their contributions, they are more than welcome to petition CCP to confirm my claims. It has been stated many times already that scamming in the word of RL charity is a bannable offence and I am well aware of it. If people think that I am prepared to sacrifice the last 8 years of my life for their 23.3m per PLEX contributed (no offence intended), they better think again. If they cannot trust me or cannot take the risk of 23.3m per PLEX for the greater good, in the face of an extremely unlikely possibility of a scam, then it is not my problem. My consciousness is clear and I do not need third parties to carry out my mission.
Kind Regards,
Viaris
Sounds a lot like your idea of saving the world is to put more bumper stickers on your Volvo.
Real people do. The rest sit about changing the rules once they get called on it.
Thanks for making it clear what camp you live in. 
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:57:00 -
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Viaris,
Thank you for the reply.
I sympathize with your objective to help raise awareness for the Japan disaster, but you are not doing it in an optimal way. EvE has been hit hard by several big scams in the past couple of months, and public trust in strangers is at an all time low. Even having an 8 year old char and a prominent position is no guarantee of trustworthiness.
If you want to gain the trust of the community, you have to run this initiative in a way where there is not even a remote possibility for you to scam. The only way to do this currently is either to get official support from CCP (which is extremely rare) or use a trusted 3rd party to secure the money involved.
If you were a scammer, in your current setup, there is nothing preventing you from taking the subsidized plex, selling it on the market, and pocketing the 20-30M isk difference. You would probably have to donate a plex or two to the PfG just in case someone managed to petition CCP about it, but if the scheme is successful enough, that is just a small dent in the total profit.
I'm not saying you are a scammer, just that you have to think like one, because that's what everyone else is doing when reading your proposal.
I propose you close this thread (ask the mods to lock it) and start a new one with a better thought out plan. I urge you to swallow your pride and use a 3rd party this time.
You are welcome to contact me in-game if there is any way I can help out.
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