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Outlawd
Comrades in Construction
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Posted - 2011.03.18 11:24:00 -
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So imagine you have two combat accounts, and a fairly large isk pool to get you started. What would be the best combo for two combat alts, to just blitz level 4 missions non-stop and thus maximising isk/hour.
I was thinking either....
Nightmare + Mach
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Tengu+Tengu (possibly a Loki)
Anyone doing this and have any input? Or discussions/opinions?
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.03.18 12:14:00 -
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Why not a Tengu + Mach? Tengu can kill small **** easily while the Mach will kill the battleships.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 18/03/2011 13:04:04
At what skill level?
At a low skill level, a Drake tank and a Maelstrom Gank works pretty well. Just have the drake pull aggro and then orbit the Mael for completely AFK-tanking. You can also move the Drake to make the 'rats follow it and help get the Mael at the ranges you like. Helps when you're on AC's and the rats orbit at 35km+
At higher skill, Tengu / Tengu or CNR / Tengu works pretty well.
A Mach / Mach sounds tempting, but you'll be slightly sub-optimal controlling optimal ranges and the like on two accounts.
2 missile ships puts it in EZ-mode.
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Outlawd
Comrades in Construction
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Posted - 2011.03.18 15:32:00 -
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Thanks Lady Go... good advice to be sure.
Silly question though. Surely a NM & Mach would be better than Mach + Mach?
Additionally, a NM + Mach would be the same kind of deal as a Tengu and CNR? Pick off long range with the NM, fly around burning down the smaller stuff with the Mach quickly, then help pick off the remainder after that?
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Maken Cheese
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Outlawd
Thanks Lady Go... good advice to be sure.
Silly question though. Surely a NM & Mach would be better than Mach + Mach?
Additionally, a NM + Mach would be the same kind of deal as a Tengu and CNR? Pick off long range with the NM, fly around burning down the smaller stuff with the Mach quickly, then help pick off the remainder after that?
This would depend on what rats you're fighting. A Nightmare is great against EM/Therm weak rats, but not as great against the others. The Mach doesn't have this problem, since it can switch damage type. My choices for dual boxing would be any of these:
Mach + Tengu - Pull in full aggro with the Tengu and use autocannons on the Mach to snipe webbing frigates, no mission will ever scratch the Tengu's tank. This also frees you up on the Mach to fit either a MWD or an afterburner (I like the Gist X-Type MWD personally).
Golem + Tengu - Web frigates will be slightly harder to deal with, but it's still the same idea as the previous combo. Tengu tanks, Golem ganks (preferably with a prop mod fitted). Only problem is the Golem is quite skill-intensive.
Mach + Mach - You'll have to watch aggro a little more carefully depending on your setup, but the dps you're putting out will be stupidly high enough that it won't matter what kind of tank you have after a few minutes.
You can use a Nightmare if you want, but just keep in mind it doesn't have the versatility of the other ships.
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Hashpipe Malone
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:29:00 -
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I use Nighthawk / Tengu, hawk has a massive tank, and Tengu can remote rep / dps....easy street.
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knentil
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Posted - 2011.03.18 19:01:00 -
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Gank Golem, Speed tank tengu.
Doesn't get any better because of range and damage selection.
Dun have to worry about all that falloff and tracking crap.
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Finefine
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Posted - 2011.03.18 20:10:00 -
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I'm pondering the same at the moment, currently using a CNR + Raven, but controling both is hard work :(
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Archangels Lucifer
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Posted - 2011.03.18 20:32:00 -
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AFK Dominix / Golem
Standard dual rep Dominix fit, pull aggro launch drone. Fly in golem and start to pop these sucker. Since you got the drone out, dont worry about them since their cheap to replace with just 2 bounty BS.
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Pvt Stash
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Posted - 2011.03.20 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Archangels Lucifer
AFK Dominix / Golem
Standard dual rep Dominix fit, pull aggro launch drone. Fly in golem and start to pop these sucker. Since you got the drone out, dont worry about them since their cheap to replace with just 2 bounty BS.
This one really is the way to go. I tried dual boxing Tengu pilots for a while and I just got tired of all the retargettig and painting and orbiting and afterburner pressing after warp and all that whole mess. Active piloting 2 ships can turn into a job.
Fly the afk Dominix. Launch drones, set them to assist your main, then keep the Dominix at range to your main ship and you're all set. You can always set some remote repair mods on the highs and sensor links in the mids of the Dominix for emergencies.
As for the main ship...the marauders are fantastic. If you're going with the Dominix alt then I'd pick one of them or go with one of the faction battleship simply because of the sheer firepower against most of what you'll face in level 4 missions.
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Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.20 04:16:00 -
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for minmatar space, i use a semi-afk rattlesnake and a mach. rattler goes in first, takes full aggro, deploys sentries and shoots torps when i'm there to actually push f1. then i concentrate on the mach, shifting back to the rattler every once in a while to shoot torps at something else and to refocus drone fire. a standard dual rep dominix can do the job as well, but a rattler looks cooler.
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Zesoft
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Posted - 2011.03.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Finefine
I'm pondering the same at the moment, currently using a CNR + Raven, but controling both is hard work :(
How are you controlling the clients? Once I got a rhythm down for switching between clients, things became pretty smooth. I've been dual boxing for about a month, and it's easy to think about what the other client will be doing/look like when I'm focused on the other (single monitor :( ). Occasionally I start shooting the wrong thing, but that's really a minor thing.
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Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:18:00 -
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I find Nightmare and blaster-Kronos to be highly effective 
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Chubrub
Soza Innovations
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:42:00 -
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to be honest, you would probably be better off boxing the two accounts seperately and flying missions independent of each other, so for example both pilots can fly tengu, then just do seperate missions. tbh ship choice doesnt matter too much... but i do loves tengu :P
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IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2011.03.21 03:00:00 -
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2x nightmares, never have to worry about ammo (okay buy like 30 INMF crystals and be good for months)!
just go to amarr space! and use every blitz possible in gurista missions. hell I'm in caldari space and I'd say the nightmare is pretty good for most missions there. I get lots of drones/mercs/eom
looking at my mission list the only missions that should really give you any problems in caldari space are Angels extra (also shows up in amarr space) and vengeance. and with 2x nightmares you should be doing enough dps that doesn't matter. might want to get one char into a t3 (probably a tengu or legion) for blitzing worlds collide, although with the mwd a proteus might make good work of wc.
mach is nice but a bit needy, that and I don't really like falloff.
tengu + tengu would work, but damn them things have crazy rof and take a bit of attention. although it could definitely work out well, fit up one for anti frig work and the other for anti bs. just have to reload missiles, wouldn't have to worry about hardeners or triggers much.
domi + gankboat is kinda nice, but a bit lazy imo.
2 chars in seperate missions is also a good way to go I don't like doing it so much though.
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T'ok Ra
Caldari
Cognitive Reconstruction
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Posted - 2011.03.21 03:20:00 -
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I use a Golem plus a sniping Ishtar.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:38:00 -
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Two tengu's in two missions if you don't mind the attention to watch the launchers.
Your choice of gank BS + Ishtar/Domi for lolz easy mode.
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Cyberus
Caldari
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:58:00 -
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If isk realy dont matters then defo x2 Mach.
Missels boats are suck tbh because of defenders and lost shots to targets just before its destructed.
I did fly tengu and other crap mentioned above ( the worst is drone ships ). If you want do fast and i mean realy fast go with gun boat and Machariel is theis matter is superior to any ship for lvl4.
Just an example for you: ( Angel extravaganza 8 minets 15 seconds between accepting and copleting mission by agent in station ) We did complete that with 3 Mach's on easy mod.
Just my 2 cent.
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Outlawd
Comrades in Construction
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Posted - 2011.03.21 09:31:00 -
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Loving how active this topic has become... thanks all for the insight and opinions.
So far at the moment, I'm now thinking of a Rattlesnake + a Mach....
Reason being, the Tank (Rattlesnake) I can semi AFK with, takes a little bit of input from me to change launcher targets, + the tank is stupidly stable. Then the Gank boat I can whizz around super fast.
Drones can take care of the frigs and cruisers with the nice rattlesnake bonus. Sounds like a winner to me?
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Finefine
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zesoft
Originally by: Finefine
I'm pondering the same at the moment, currently using a CNR + Raven, but controling both is hard work :(
How are you controlling the clients? Once I got a rhythm down for switching between clients, things became pretty smooth. I've been dual boxing for about a month, and it's easy to think about what the other client will be doing/look like when I'm focused on the other (single monitor :( ). Occasionally I start shooting the wrong thing, but that's really a minor thing.
One computer, 2 screens. Though I have tried 2 comps, but switching mouse and keyboard only added to the problem.
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Zin Zy
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:48:00 -
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I am running a Paladin and Vagur at the moment. But I'm not blitzing the missions, I'm also salvaging with both ships  .
It works for me.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chubrub
to be honest, you would probably be better off boxing the two accounts seperately and flying missions independent of each other, so for example both pilots can fly tengu, then just do seperate missions. tbh ship choice doesnt matter too much... but i do loves tengu :P
If you really want to maximise your ISK building, running one mission at a time is better, because:
a) YOUR TANK. If you have to tank and gank each mission, your effective gank is lower and slows you down
b) RATS TANK. Rats are not just EHP. Many active tank the incoming damage to a greater or lesser extent. If you're doing 500dps, and the rat is tanking 250dps, 50% of your DPS is 'wasted'. Now if you have two ships hitting the same target @1000dps, you are only wasting 25% of your DPS. Calling primary is smart, even in PVE.
c) Drones. Having 10 drones in a mission space is vastly preferable to having 5. They'll chew up all the frigs meaning you never have to think about them. Or 10 sentries if you rather :)
d) Time to base. Run two missions at once, and at some point you'll be piloting one ship back and forth, refitting for damage types, looking up the mission reports, etc... Much more efficient to squad warp both ships home and complete / accept one more at a time.
e) RR. If needed (say you pop the trigger twice in a row on Blockade) you can have one ship RR the other, leading to a tank that's not likely to crumble.
f) Shield / armor bots. Can't use them on yourself ... oh wait now you can 
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente
Knights of Andunie
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Posted - 2011.03.29 03:20:00 -
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For a long time when i did missions I did a CNR+geddon combo and I had a third alt in an Orca power salvaging. Worked real well. Since then i've sold my Amarr account and about to sell my orca/rorq/carrier companion. DOnt really got the time for multiple accounts anymore.
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Casen Vherok
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:05:00 -
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cap stable RR domi + Golem
put RR onto the golem realiese drones set to gard golem come bck 2 mins l8tr salvage anything in 40k range
or if want to b more active use the golems drones and dps also but have the option of running out the room without dieing :)
make sure to hit all triggers grab full agro b4 go afk or domi might die
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:38:00 -
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I'm liking Mach + Scorpion Navu issue for angels. Scorpion tanks, what little it has to. I put drones on assist on both and start firing.
For guristas/serps I use Mael and Abaddon, both longrange-fitted.
I've never blitzed.
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Good Lkn
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:41:00 -
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Golem + Salvicane?
If you have to fight with two ships, a domni based ship that you can mostly forget about and still be semi effective with is always a really nice way to go because lets face it. If your doing 4's with 2 combat pilots in faction fit ships. Your a lazy f... anyway.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Burnharder on 06/04/2011 19:42:18
Similar to casen, I use a navy domi repping a Paladin.
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Captain Charismatic
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:57:00 -
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I'm using a Nighthawk/Domi setup that works very well.
Sentries and heavy missile spam for cruiser/larger, and light drones for frigs.
Complete L4's in 15 min or less generally. Ran AE last night in 19 min.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:38:00 -
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Tengu/CNR/Golem + T2 sentry Domi
The Dominix requires very little work - just warp in, deploy drones, assist or guard the 'active' ship. This is much less interaction than is required for two of the same ship.
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Ashurmija
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Posted - 2011.05.04 16:06:00 -
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What about a mach/ golem team? Golem with as much tank as you see fit, and with torps and target painters and the mach with minimal tank and full gank. The Golem just rolls in like a juggernaut and tanks all damage and ewar and ahniahlates anything that gets within torp range and the mach just buzzes around it rocking BS's and cruisers if deemed necessary, and then swarms of drones eat frigs and cruisers :)
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