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Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:54:00 -
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Why "the west" is going after Gadaffi leting most oppresive middle east regime alone ? Gadaffi is not our mo***er. Follow orders, buy our weapons, sell cheap oil and shut up. You will be spared as a dictator, even a very bad one.
Can You Pass The Saudi Arabia Quiz?
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Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:44:00 -
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Corns poppin as we speak.
This is diamond for showing the rediculous nature of politics/politicians.
 Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random
Corns poppin as we speak.
This is diamond for showing the rediculous nature of politics/politicians.
Because crack *****s and drug use aren't bright enough? 
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:04:00 -
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It's a long odyssey and we are still in the middle of the dawn..
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phillis Stein
And Im suprised Gadaffi hasnt used the Jihad card yet. The second that western planes or troops kill anyone, he should issue a call for all true Moslems around the world to defend Islam. He can say that the Rebelleion was paid for by the west and that the west is trying to overthrow all Islamic Countries one by one.
I also think that internal pressure in other Moslem Countries will see more coming onto Libyas side. If only for the reason that they may be next.
And that's why we've seen mass riots in all major Northern African countries - optimal conditions for action against Libya were made.
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Not only is he killing his own people but his own ministers have admitted publically that Gaddafi personally authorised one of the most infamous terrorist attacks in recent memory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
Right... let's take a look at the source of that information. The source is Mustafa Abdul Jalil
Quote form that page:
"During the 2011 Libyan protests, Abdul Jalil has been identified as the Chairman of the National Transitional Council based in Benghazi, which controls much of the country in opposition to Gaddafi in Tripoli..."
Yeah... a totally credible source. How can you not trust him when he talks about the guy who he fight against?
Originally by: Selinate
Gas prices went up in the U.S. right around the same time that Libya started having their problems. It's an American problem too.
Nope, not a problem, but a way to finance the war. After all, if no part of the US oil supplies come from Libya and US isn't interested in Libya's oil, then a logical conclusion is that a government is using the situation to pimp the oil prices a bit to fund a war.
Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson
I was agreeing with you until this point. My Great Grandfather was a pacifist during the First World War, a Conscientious Objector. But that did not stop him from being awarded the military medal for bravery along with a number of mentions in despatches for his work as a stretcher bearer
You got that right. Even if the conflict came to my own doorstep, I'd rather help people than take a weapon. There is honour and bravery in helping people, but there is no honour or bravery whatsoever in a murder.
Bottom line is - IF there are problems in Libya, let Libyans solve them. Bombs don't bring "democracy" or better life.
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Selinate
Gas prices went up in the U.S. right around the same time that Libya started having their problems. It's an American problem too.
Nope, not a problem, but a way to finance the war. After all, if no part of the US oil supplies come from Libya and US isn't interested in Libya's oil, then a logical conclusion is that a government is using the situation to pimp the oil prices a bit to fund a war.
I'd argue with this, but I think it would be too much like arguing with a person who's convinced that the world is flat, and it's just impossible to prove to said person otherwise.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Selinate
Gas prices went up in the U.S. right around the same time that Libya started having their problems. It's an American problem too.
Nope, not a problem, but a way to finance the war. After all, if no part of the US oil supplies come from Libya and US isn't interested in Libya's oil, then a logical conclusion is that a government is using the situation to pimp the oil prices a bit to fund a war.
I'd argue with this, but I think it would be too much like arguing with a person who's convinced that the world is flat, and it's just impossible to prove to said person otherwise.
It wouldn't be like that, trust me. I'm an open person to all points of view.
However, I've already said my point on the subject - war is bad and there is always an alternative - so, I'll just leave the thread.
Oh, and don't forget - make love, not war.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.20 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
war is bad and there is always an alternative - so, I'll just leave the thread.
If only this was true
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:25:00 -
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Not liking war and being a pacifist are two different things. A pacifist is averse to violence of any kind and doesn't necessarily brand everyone who is against war a pacifist. People who claim they're pacifists are usually just spineless and weak people rather than genuinely abhorring violence. They live with their head in the sand their entire lives with this idealistic notion that everyone should get along no matter what. Humans aren't built that way, and a person who doesn't even have the backbone to stand up for himself or anything he believes in is a sad, despicable excuse for a human being.
Yes, make love not war...such a good idea. That attitude will do wonders for overpopulation and will kill more people than any war ever could, not to mention completely draining our planet's resources. I don't think war is ever a good idea, but sometimes it's a necessary evil. If you can't see that then put down the bong and open your eyes.
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:56:00 -
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tl;dr please
is imperialism the new vouge in western policy?
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.20 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Taggart on 20/03/2011 20:04:17
A more complete list of nations aiding in the enforcement of the no-fly zone would be:
US
UK
United Arab Emirates
Spain
Qatar
Norway
Italy
Greece
France
Denmark
Canada
Belgium
Most of these nations have committed attack aircraft and naval support to the cause.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.03.20 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 20/03/2011 20:42:53
I am enthused by the USA's nuanced approach to Libya. Instead of the old esoteric approach of 'we are good, we are going to do good, they are bad, freedom will prevail, we are celebrating already before its over' - The USA is letting the Europeans take a lead in military air strikes and underpinning it with USA's premier cruise missile arsenal and logistics capability. Journalist pundits in the USA are wailing about of the lack of a typical big rousing message from the president. Obama is rightly pacing this and hopefully in time when the Gaddadi military is on the back foot Obama will claim a degree of political credit. Should Gaddafi be defeated again Obama can claim more calibrated political credit. Should a new provisional government arise from the ashes that all the tribal groups are happy with then the USA can make a historic defining statement that we have won with committed support from our allies.
The USA should loose its swagger of old. That is not to deny it has often put its soldiers in harms way. But with a far more calibrated approach it can claim a greater moral dividend to the rest of the world when an end game scenario is secured.
However as far as endemic tyrannical regimes in the middle east and Africa goes for securing solid institutional foundations of democracy - independent judiciary > less corrupt politicians, police, property laws it is going to be a very long haul.
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Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 03:53:00 -
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a whole bunch of the nations on that list was happy to do buisness there just couple of years ago.
didnt uk release the lockerbie bomber back to libya few years ago so they could get some goooooood tradin going?
norway certainly was happy sending statoil there 3 years ago.
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xXaRaXx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Royaldo
a whole bunch of the nations on that list was happy to do buisness there just couple of years ago.
didnt uk release the lockerbie bomber back to libya few years ago so they could get some goooooood tradin going?
norway certainly was happy sending statoil there 3 years ago.
I dont think this has anything to do with trading?
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: xXaRaXx
Originally by: Royaldo
a whole bunch of the nations on that list was happy to do buisness there just couple of years ago.
didnt uk release the lockerbie bomber back to libya few years ago so they could get some goooooood tradin going?
norway certainly was happy sending statoil there 3 years ago.
I dont think this has anything to do with trading?
Officially, the UN sanctioned the military intervention after Gaddafi had launched airstrikes against the rebels in Benghazi. But it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone if the UNSC (UN Security Council) discussed it beforehand.
As for business opportunities, that wouldn't surprise me either.
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Asnar
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.22 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Royaldo
a whole bunch of the nations on that list was happy to do buisness there just couple of years ago.
didnt uk release the lockerbie bomber back to libya few years ago so they could get some goooooood tradin going?
norway certainly was happy sending statoil there 3 years ago.
Welcome to the real world. That's what I hope will come out of all this. That people start realizing how things are run. With the financial crisis and the scandals that follow, Assange and the "revolutions" the world will become a better place. Got a long long way to go though. And I doubt it can be done without bloodshed, that's just not human nature.
For the pacifists, a lot of the alternatives to war in the end cause more harm then the war would have. Is killing 10 worth saving 1000s? Or is making 10s of thousands suffer to save 10 the better way... not that easy a question.
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