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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 09:11:00 -
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Hi folks,
As the first bond ran smoothly and I got investors to keep me busy for the last months, it's time to announce I don't hold any ISK from anyone right now, and this is why I'm going to ask for a second bond to fund my trading activities.
Let's go!
The bond:
It will be split into 8 parts of 500 mil. Interests are 10% per month (Measured as 30 days). Interests will be paid each 30 days after I recieve the ISK.
This bond will last 3 months, unless one of the following happens:
- My fortune goes below 6B (I own 4B, and I should have 8B total then). Interests will be paid for the current month, and I will give you back your ISK. This is to cover any bad manipulation on my part.
- I can't trade anymore for some reason, in which case you get the monthly interests plus your investment back.
Safety:
I've had an audit before my first bond, and if you want to read it, I posted a link to my previous bond offer. Otherwise I can run with your ISK, but the benefits that I will get with your additional ISK, and the benefits I could get from future bonds greatly outweigh the amount of 4 Billion.
Previous bonds:
Here
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.20 09:30:00 -
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character sale
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.03.20 09:55:00 -
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****blocked on post 1, oh my.
I love you liberty.
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
Exactly, have you read the TOS?
If it sold, I wouldn't have the right to pass for the previous owner.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
Exactly, have you read the TOS?
If it sold, I wouldn't have the right to pass for the previous owner.
Then you wouldn't mind mailing me your API key so I can verify it is still on the same account with your other alts from my previous audit.
Limited is all I would need as I can plug it into evemon and get the character list from that.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
Exactly, have you read the TOS?
If it sold, I wouldn't have the right to pass for the previous owner.
Do you feel 4B would be a nice price for such a character when sold?
Find the answer and find what liberty meant ...
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Netherchant
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
Exactly, have you read the TOS?
If it sold, I wouldn't have the right to pass for the previous owner.
Then you wouldn't mind mailing me your API key so I can verify it is still on the same account with your other alts from my previous audit.
Limited is all I would need as I can plug it into evemon and get the character list from that.
I Evemailed that to you.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Netherchant
Then you wouldn't mind mailing me your API key so I can verify it is still on the same account with your other alts from my previous audit.
Limited is all I would need as I can plug it into evemon and get the character list from that.
I Evemailed that to you.
All 4 accounts had valid API keys, so it's the same Netheranthem.
Although Flakeys did raise an interesting point.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.20 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
GF
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
character sale
GF
I could've had 2.5B at the time I would've sold it too.
I know that forum history exists :)
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:22:00 -
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And you would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for them meddling objectivists!
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Netheranthem on 20/03/2011 15:27:07
Originally by: Tutskii
And you would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for them meddling objectivists!
That's why MD is as it is.
I did so much stuff recently that you probably could tell I omitted other stuff in my first post, even though that doesn't change the fact that I'm playing the market.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:36:00 -
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I'm must be missing something here...why is the character sale a issue?
Investor Relation | IPO Doc |
Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.20 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 20/03/2011 15:53:33
Originally by: Brock Nelson
I'm must be missing something here...why is the character sale a issue?
OP have linked a succesful bond from before the character sale thread, meaning it could have been another guy behind the keyboard, wanting to use the history of the char he bought to do bad things.
API key have however prooved that it's still the same guy behind the computer.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 20/03/2011 15:53:33
Originally by: Brock Nelson
I'm must be missing something here...why is the character sale a issue?
OP have linked a succesful bond from before the character sale thread, meaning it could have been another guy behind the keyboard, wanting to use the history of the char he bought to do bad things.
API key have however prooved that it's still the same guy behind the computer.
Also, if he is willing to sell it for a couple billion, who is to say he wouldn't just biomass him for 4 billion?
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 20/03/2011 15:53:33
Originally by: Brock Nelson
I'm must be missing something here...why is the character sale a issue?
OP have linked a succesful bond from before the character sale thread, meaning it could have been another guy behind the keyboard, wanting to use the history of the char he bought to do bad things.
API key have however prooved that it's still the same guy behind the computer.
Also, if he is willing to sell it for a couple billion, who is to say he wouldn't just biomass him for 4 billion?
This - the idea that "my name is worth more than that! Future bonds would be more beneficial!" is thrown right out the window when he's willing to sell his 'name' for less than t his bond is trying to raise.
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Netheranthem on 20/03/2011 16:32:44
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 20/03/2011 15:53:33
Originally by: Brock Nelson
I'm must be missing something here...why is the character sale a issue?
OP have linked a succesful bond from before the character sale thread, meaning it could have been another guy behind the keyboard, wanting to use the history of the char he bought to do bad things.
API key have however prooved that it's still the same guy behind the computer.
Also, if he is willing to sell it for a couple billion, who is to say he wouldn't just biomass him for 4 billion?
Well, I have 4 characters after all, don't I?
After all, I could biomass them all for 4 Billion, or would I?
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 20/03/2011 19:41:10
Character traders are highly likely to scam, based on past MD experience. I linked to just one of nether's character sale threads:
On 23rd October, netheranthem raised 2.5 bil in a bond issue, claiming to be a starter trader.
An audit was published claiming overall NAV as "2.5b spread over 4 active accounts" which netheranthem agreed with.
On 30th October, 7 days later, netherthinker purchased here a 64-million skillpoint character for 12 billion isk.
Netherthinker was also put up for sale here on the 23rd [this in addition to netheranthem sale, linked to above].
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 20/03/2011 19:41:10
Character traders are highly likely to scam, based on past MD experience. I linked to just one of nether's character sale threads:
On 23rd October, netheranthem raised 2.5 bil in a bond issue, claiming to be a starter trader.
An audit was published claiming overall NAV as "2.5b spread over 4 active accounts" which netheranthem agreed with.
On 30th October, 7 days later, netherthinker purchased here a 64-million skillpoint character for 12 billion isk.
Netherthinker was also put up for sale here on the 23rd [this in addition to netheranthem sale, linked to above].
Well, should I explain what I'm doing whenever I move my little finger?
Of course I purchased this, with plex. And it didn't affect my trading activities :)
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:36:00 -
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From the OP:
Originally by: Netheranthem
My fortune goes below 6B (I own 4B, and I should have 8B total then).
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reservent
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:25:00 -
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I'll consider investing...I've got a good feeling about this one.
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Oh look where that got me last time.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tutskii on 20/03/2011 22:34:35
Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 20/03/2011 19:41:10
Character traders are highly likely to scam, based on past MD experience. I linked to just one of nether's character sale threads:
On 23rd October, netheranthem raised 2.5 bil in a bond issue, claiming to be a starter trader.
An audit was published claiming overall NAV as "2.5b spread over 4 active accounts" which netheranthem agreed with.
On 30th October, 7 days later, netherthinker purchased here a 64-million skillpoint character for 12 billion isk.
Netherthinker was also put up for sale here on the 23rd [this in addition to netheranthem sale, linked to above].
Well, should I explain what I'm doing whenever I move my little finger?
Of course I purchased this, with plex. And it didn't affect my trading activities :)
I am confused, if you have no problems with buying 12 billion isk worth of space money with plex, why not use more plex for trading instead of a bond?
You are, after all, real life rich, which is a bit better than space rich if you ask me.
And if you were so good at making space money out of space money.. well wouldn't you have been able to buy your character without spending five hundred and fourteen dollars on it? (the price of about 34 plex at about todays prices!)
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
On 30th October, 7 days later, netherthinker purchased here a 64-million skillpoint character for 12 billion isk.
when i think some hours ago i wanted to play his advocate once more...
well okay, there's really something smelly here :/
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Edited by: Tutskii on 20/03/2011 22:34:35
Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 20/03/2011 19:41:10
Character traders are highly likely to scam, based on past MD experience. I linked to just one of nether's character sale threads:
On 23rd October, netheranthem raised 2.5 bil in a bond issue, claiming to be a starter trader.
An audit was published claiming overall NAV as "2.5b spread over 4 active accounts" which netheranthem agreed with.
On 30th October, 7 days later, netherthinker purchased here a 64-million skillpoint character for 12 billion isk.
Netherthinker was also put up for sale here on the 23rd [this in addition to netheranthem sale, linked to above].
Well, should I explain what I'm doing whenever I move my little finger?
Of course I purchased this, with plex. And it didn't affect my trading activities :)
I am confused, if you have no problems with buying 12 billion isk worth of space money with plex, why not use more plex for trading instead of a bond?
You are, after all, real life rich, which is a bit better than space rich if you ask me.
And if you were so good at making space money out of space money.. well wouldn't you have been able to buy your character without spending five hundred and fourteen dollars on it? (the price of about 34 plex at about todays prices!)
This leads to pretty much nothing, but here we go:
I'm not going to spend money on Plex for trading if I have a way to borrow money, and ramp up to a decent amount easily. Though, for purchasing this char, I had no choice whether to plex or not.
Anyway, 2.7 Billion recieved from private investors, 1.3B left in this bond.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.03.21 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem
Anyway, 2.7 Billion recieved from private investors
Good for you! Any chance of them confirming that here?
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.03.21 09:49:00 -
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I stated in SCC yesterday so i'll state it here: I believe this person is Lethal Entrepreneur. Yes it's my opinion and I could be wrong. I looked at LE posts and this players posts and there are many subtle similarities between their post formatting, grammar, and spelling. Additionally they both play the character buying/selling game.
For example, when both of them edit their posts they put "EDIT: " at the very bottom of their post. EDIT is always all caps and they always use a colon. They also both use parentheses a lot. This is mostly a result of odd sentence structure. By this I mean they are using paranthesized phrases as points of clarifcation instead of rewording it into an additional sentence. Further both of them have similar parachute programs regarding bond liquidation if their nav falls below some magical number. Finally, both posters talk about their current NAV and then add their newly borrowed money into that NAV figure. Debt should be subtracted from NAV not added to it.
/tinfoil hat
Way too many red flags on this offering imo. Investor beware.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Netheranthem
Anyway, 2.7 Billion recieved from private investors
Good for you! Any chance of them confirming that here?
Sure,...
700Mill from me.
Why a 4 bill scam?
If you need to scam. try like 20Billion
RK
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Netheranthem
Anyway, 2.7 Billion recieved from private investors
Good for you! Any chance of them confirming that here?
Sure,...
700Mill from me.
Why a 4 bill scam?
If you need to scam. try like 20Billion
RK
lol you honestly think the only scams are for the large amounts? So naive, an awful lot of scams are the SMALL ones because they just want a fast and easy cash injection.You underestimate just how much isk 4billion is - it's enough gametime and PVP battlecruisers to last a long time. Not everyone needs 20billion isk to survive in EVE.
Having said that, I don't think you are a legitimate investor anyway - "I am looking for a loan. About 150 mil." and now a month later you are giving out isk like it's candy?
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
I stated in SCC yesterday so i'll state it here: I believe this person is Lethal Entrepreneur. Yes it's my opinion and I could be wrong. I looked at LE posts and this players posts and there are many subtle similarities between their post formatting, grammar, and spelling. Additionally they both play the character buying/selling game.
For example, when both of them edit their posts they put "EDIT: " at the very bottom of their post. EDIT is always all caps and they always use a colon. They also both use parentheses a lot. This is mostly a result of odd sentence structure. By this I mean they are using paranthesized phrases as points of clarifcation instead of rewording it into an additional sentence. Further both of them have similar parachute programs regarding bond liquidation if their nav falls below some magical number. Finally, both posters talk about their current NAV and then add their newly borrowed money into that NAV figure. Debt should be subtracted from NAV not added to it.
/tinfoil hat
Way too many red flags on this offering imo. Investor beware.
I love when people like my beautiful grammar (Especially tinfoil hats (But you know these alt things are bs :P)).
Accepted the 700 mil as of today. Interests count starts now.
(And if you want to continue, please continue (I think I defended myself long enough)).
EDIT: Uh... Nothing, just proving you right.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Netheranthem
Anyway, 2.7 Billion recieved from private investors
Good for you! Any chance of them confirming that here?
Sure,...
700Mill from me.
Why a 4 bill scam?
If you need to scam. try like 20Billion
RK
lol you honestly think the only scams are for the large amounts? So naive, an awful lot of scams are the SMALL ones because they just want a fast and easy cash injection.You underestimate just how much isk 4billion is - it's enough gametime and PVP battlecruisers to last a long time. Not everyone needs 20billion isk to survive in EVE.
Having said that, I don't think you are a legitimate investor anyway - "I am looking for a loan. About 150 mil." and now a month later you are giving out isk like it's candy?
Originally by: Konnichi Wa
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=495
Sell a plex dude
Well i did. And to many plex.
So now i invest in bonds and loans. ISK doing nothing is useless
XD
RK
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