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Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.21 14:25:00 - [1] Why are some loyalty point rewards so... un-rewarding? E.g. [b]Republic Fleet Medium Armor Repairer[b] Requires: - 31,500 Loyalty Points - 12.6M ISK - 83 x Imperial Navy Major Insignia I @ 650K = 53,950,000 - 139 x Imperial Navy Colonel Insignia I @ 100K = 13,900,000 So the total cost to get that module is about 80 million ISK plus the loyalty points - and that's a reward?!
Mara Abraham Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.03.21 14:35:00 - [2] Greetings: Did you check contracts to see what is their selling price? Thank you. --- Mara Abraham http://www.factionalwarfare.info
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.21 20:48:00 - [3] none on contracts, but if you look at a domination medium rep they are going for 15-20mil which barely covers the isk cost. but yea there are some lp store items that are worthless. just don't buy them.
Sitara Minmatar Solar Flare Trade and Production	Posted - 2011.03.21 21:05:00 - [4] Basic supply and demand - you're selling to a player market so stuff lots of players want to buy (or few people are supplying) will work out more profitable. There's a huge variability in LP / isk if you work it out.
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.22 11:10:00 - [5] I did check contracts etc. For around 80M you could buy a MUCH better module like a True Sansha. Many of the the Republic Fleet modules are actually only worth around 10M. The whole loyalty point system should be re-designed. Currently most of it is a waste of space. Maybe these loyalty rewards made sense when they were first created (years ago) but they no longer reflect the market economy. Many of the rewards are extremely overvalued and only serve to bloat the game. If no one is ever going to claim a particular module then what's the point?
Emo Ragequit	Posted - 2011.03.22 21:31:00 - [6] 5 x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Blueprint LP store of Core complection 7 x Imperial Navy Colonel Insignia I 33 x Imperial Navy General Insignia I 49 x Imperial Navy General Insignia II 90,000LP + 36M isk. Any good?
Batelle do you	Posted - 2011.03.22 21:43:00 - [7] LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.22 21:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Hurrakan The whole loyalty point system should be re-designed. Currently most of it is a waste of space. Maybe these loyalty rewards made sense when they were first created (years ago) but they no longer reflect the market economy. been saying that stuff since shortly after they switched it to the current lp store.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.03.23 00:04:00 - [9] Edited by: Kerfira on 23/03/2011 00:05:41 The fixed prices of the LP stores are f'ed up... They leave only a handful of items which are actually worth getting (thus in effect reducing the inventory of the shops drastically), with a lot of the rest simply being window-dressing. This is pretty sad because it limits the actual USE of these items. Some of them are OK items, but the static price setting of the LP stores completely destroy their use since the Random Number Generator used to set the prices picked bad numbers (I can't bring myself to believe that someone could set the prices so stupidly by hand, so CCP MUST have used a RNG). What really SHOULD happen is that the price of the items (ISK, LP and tags) in the LP stores should be dynamic. If an item is not relatively popular, it should drop in price, and if popular it should rise in price. This should be done on a per-corp basis too so the corp LP stores would actually start to differentiate. My guess is we'll see a change in this area in 2019, and the change will be one item having its (static) cost changed to something even more silly than now, with a dev blog stating how the LP stores are now fixed... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.23 02:26:00 - [10] a dynamic store sounds nice, I'm just worried about run away prices on the items that are good.

Misanthra	Posted - 2011.03.23 07:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Batelle LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. ccp is assuming you aren't dodging faction missions. Also its a hookup for fw. FW all about tag collection..because its faction missions lol. Want tags in abundance, join the cause. Not your scene...hit them markets.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.23 14:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Goose99 on 23/03/2011 14:22:08 Originally by: Misanthra Originally by: Batelle LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. ccp is assuming you aren't dodging faction missions. Also its a hookup for fw. FW all about tag collection..because its faction missions lol. Want tags in abundance, join the cause. Not your scene...hit them markets. Get a clue. FW missions are never about salvaging/looting in lowsec, all about sniping one rat in sb and leave. The current tag while have to do with the lvl5 nerf, which used to be a huge source of tags, especially currently rare ones. Almost no one would do them in lowsec those days, and those who do don't salvage, resulting in 100+% jump in prices of some tags. Naturally, those happen to be ones that rarely drop in lvl4s. Prices of most tags are close to or at npc buy order prices, with the few that don't drop in lvl4s at sky prices. So no, not dodging faction kill lvl4s will not get you the ones that you're short on, you need to go to low, do lvl5s, and salvage. Good luck with that.
ExcalibursTemplar	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Misanthra Originally by: Batelle LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. ccp is assuming you aren't dodging faction missions. Also its a hookup for fw. FW all about tag collection..because its faction missions lol. Want tags in abundance, join the cause. Not your scene...hit them markets. The current best sell price in Domain just for Republic fleet captain insignia I is 1.419 mill. And im not going to do faction kill missions or faction warfare as i dont want to screw up my standings as data centres are a joke as you can only ever use them once. BTW just to show you how screwed up that price is for a 5 x Imperial Navy Medium Nosferatu Blueprint it costs 120,000 LP + 48 mill isk + 318 Republic fleet captain I * 1.419 mill = 451.242 mill 529 Republic fleet high captain * 0.15498 mill = 81.98 mill So thats 581.226 mill + 120,000LP just to get that blueprint, thats just bleeding insane. CCP really does need to do somthing to fix it as without a doubt the market is completely and totaly screwed up.
Commander Disarray	Posted - 2011.03.23 17:41:00 - [14] Originally by: ExcalibursTemplar The current best sell price in Domain just for Republic fleet captain insignia I is 1.419 mill. And im not going to do faction kill missions or faction warfare as i dont want to screw up my standings as data centres are a joke as you can only ever use them once. BTW just to show you how screwed up that price is for a 5 x Imperial Navy Medium Nosferatu Blueprint it costs 120,000 LP + 48 mill isk + 318 Republic fleet captain I * 1.419 mill = 451.242 mill 529 Republic fleet high captain * 0.15498 mill = 81.98 mill So thats 581.226 mill + 120,000LP just to get that blueprint, thats just bleeding insane. CCP really does need to do somthing to fix it as without a doubt the market is completely and totaly screwed up. This. I'm glad you put up an example because I was too lazy to It's the sole reason I gave up doing missions for Caldari faction gear. I racked up over 100k LPs and found that after I would buy the tags off the market, the total cost for the item was pretty insane. And even if you don't give a rip about losing faction standings for tags, you'd need to do Many missions to get the number of tags you need.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.23 19:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Misanthra Originally by: Batelle LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. ccp is assuming you aren't dodging faction missions. Also its a hookup for fw. FW all about tag collection..because its faction missions lol. Want tags in abundance, join the cause. Not your scene...hit them markets. the tags have npc buy orders so even if you do run the faction missions (**** yea kill them gallente/minmatars!) there are many items that are still not worth getting unless you value your lp and tags as "free" the player market on tags usually makes it make even less sense to buy some items.
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.24 12:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton a dynamic store sounds nice, I'm just worried about run away prices on the items that are good. You mean like it is now? Currently the items that are NOT good are overvalued and the items that ARE good are extremely overvalued.
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.24 12:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Misanthra Originally by: Batelle LP stores are fine on principle, just fix the ridiculous tag requirement. ccp is assuming you aren't dodging faction missions. Also its a hookup for fw. FW all about tag collection..because its faction missions lol. Want tags in abundance, join the cause. Not your scene...hit them markets. Then maybe only Factional Warfare LP store rewards should require tags.


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