Of course, the downside of this would be ... lower transversal than standard orbit , lower rate of closing velocity .
But I think its a nice trade off.
The best of two worlds.

What do you think?

Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10....

Didn't anyone show you how to do this already? Pity, it's an old tactic.

you mean the button smashing one?

That's called a Fibbonacci spiral and coincidentally it is the basis for the Abyss Alliance logo!

And I'd actually quite like a button that did that however it would need to be optional as we have lots of buttons already so anything new should be personal choice as to whether you include it on your interface or not.

That's called a Fibbonacci spiral...

looks like a parrot to me :/

Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10....

Ooh, what next? a button to orbit+shoot+warpout and dock automatically?


You do know that this doesn't work right?

Ooh, what next? a button to orbit+shoot+warpout and dock automatically?


You do know that this doesn't work right?

That's already a basic maneuver done by any better pilot in EvE.

Learn to fly your ship, cadet.

a basic MANUAL maneuver ...
Its the same FBW vs Hydro-mechanical control argument again....

Ahem.


DO A BARREL ROLL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5qzMtLE60

Yes. Manual. That's the point. It's fun to fly a ship.

If you can't handle it manually, then fly a sitting brick.


You want to remove any necessity of skill in this game ??

edit: You have *NO* argument AT ALL.
You only seem to have no skill and no incentive to LEARN that skill to do it manually !

I dunno what ships you're referring to, but an interceptor would not really benefit from this proposed mechanic. Typically if you're far enough away to be hit, your best bet is to zig-zag towards the target, and hope he doesn't get you during those moments when you switch direction (there's ways around that if you want to waste valuable seconds).

But when your ship breaks that magical 2 km/s mark, you kinda have to fly manually anyway. So how about we propose a more responsive "manual control" that doen't take as long as double-clicking? :) Then you can "death spiral" to your hearts content.

Dont think of it as you are getting a closer orbit. Look at it as if you are looking though a paper towel tube and notice the spiral.
Look down, now look up. I'm showing you a real barrel roll. Look away, now look back You are in a cepter corkscrewing your way toward a target not loosing transversal velocity like a zig zag.

So I could get good. (Seriously, I should try to get good sometime)

Or I could press a button that makes me get good.

I think I'd rather get good.

No, seriously. Take the need for me to get good out of the game and I'm done with your game.

I use this tactic when taking photos...

well
them Battleships can sit still and shoot for all day long
Its only fair
Frigates and smaller ships get the same treatment :P

well
them Battleships can sit still and shoot for all day long
Its only fair
Frigates and smaller ships get the same treatment :P

Either way, Falcon jams you and die to the blob, man.

I-

Wh-

Yo-

And there we go.

The last **** I gave, gone.

Yeah, I think I'm done undocking for the next 12 months.

No, you can't have my stuff.

Because people asking for more involved and interesting flight manuvers to be available somehow takes away from your ability to be "good" and double click in space, and forces you to quit EVE.

Really?

Nah.

For one, I said 'not undocking for 12 months'.

Two, asking for less involvement is not... more involvement.

Three, your post was a strawman which is why I hadn't addressed it. You oversimplified my point and attacked the oversimplified version. "Double clicking in space doesn't make you skilled" but accurately manually piloting along a curve does. Having the computer run those calculations doesn't.

Also four, there's no chance in hell I as considering making that decision before seeing this thread which highlighted more prevalent personal issues for me than 'people want to make the game easier'. Nah.

A better .. but I'll say... not as likely system.. would be to give frigates MANUAL flight controls

Go and use Kerbal space program for that, or Google Earth flight simulator.


EVE is RPG set in space, not a flight sim. Here you have this nonrealistic (magic) space properties, like a liquid, but not entirely a liquid. Spaceship is like a flying submarine with ballast tanks. You need constant energy input to maintain sub space speeds, planets are like soap bubbles, empty inside, and system is like a big room, CUBE painted inside. If you look carefully, you can see seam lines, where Devs welded it together.

Except jita, where your brain melts away and you sell Carbon for 1 billion isks and Hookbill for 100 mil,laughing your ass off

We got orbit , keep at range , bookmark herp derptry , and approach....
All of which are VERY elementary maneuvers ....
Now how about something different.
The Death Spiral
http://drvictoria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/59056_121.jpg

where you spiral closer and closer towards your intended target.

Closing range ,maintaining transversal velocity as you approach the targets , making them turrets harder to hit you as you close distance and go for the kill.

A better .. but I'll say... not as likely system.. would be to give frigates MANUAL flight controls
Battlestar Galatica Online Style......
Which then you can go ape sheet with your ship
Credit :Xirin


BETTER YET!!!!!

Let the players DESIGN THEIR OWN MOVES!

Give the player manual control over their ship and do it TORIBASH style.

Nah.

For one, I said 'not undocking for 12 months'.

Two, asking for less involvement is not... more involvement.

Three, your post was a strawman which is why I hadn't addressed it. You oversimplified my point and attacked the oversimplified version. "Double clicking in space doesn't make you skilled" but accurately manually piloting along a curve does. Having the computer run those calculations doesn't.

Also four, there's no chance in hell I as considering making that decision before seeing this thread which highlighted more prevalent personal issues for me than 'people want to make the game easier'. Nah.

1: I had corrected my post before you posted your response.

2: Being able to choose from an array of flight manuvers as opposed to clicking in space is not "less involvement"... and again, no one would be taking away your double click to turn left capability.

3: My 7 year old can double click in space and fly the ship in a curve, get over yourself. Also, flying the ship in a simple curve has little to do with the flight manuver being suggested... more like a spiraling barrel roll that keeps your speed and transversal up while closing range. Double click that.

4: I have no idea what they heck you are trying to say, other than perhaps you had already intended to take a break from undocking and decided to get emo about it in this thread to draw attention to your argument.

We got orbit , keep at range , bookmark herp derptry , and approach....
All of which are VERY elementary maneuvers ....
Now how about something different.
The Death Spiral
http://drvictoria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/59056_121.jpg

where you spiral closer and closer towards your intended target.

Closing range ,maintaining transversal velocity as you approach the targets , making them turrets harder to hit you as you close distance and go for the kill.

3: My 7 year old can double click in space and fly the ship in a curve, get over yourself. Also, flying the ship in a simple curve has little to do with the flight manuver being suggested... more like a spiraling barrel roll that keeps your speed and transversal up while closing range. Double click that.
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We got orbit , keep at range , bookmark herp derptry , and approach....
All of which are VERY elementary maneuvers ....
Now how about something different.
The Death Spiral
http://drvictoria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/59056_121.jpg

where you spiral closer and closer towards your intended target.

Eve pvp is basically a micromanagement challenge and this should be expanded not reduced.

me in my vagabond finds a raven ina belt... i orbit at 17km... a rapier uncloaks 30km from the raven... i want to be able to orbit the raven at 17km but still keep 44km from the rapier.

i like the sound of this, however i think you should be able to use 2 commands...

i should be able to orbit at 15km AND keep at range from another target

example.

me in my vagabond finds a raven ina belt... i orbit at 17km... a rapier uncloaks 30km from the raven... i want to be able to orbit the raven at 17km but still keep 44km from the rapier.

i agree that we need more options!!

i like the spiral toward or spiral away from a target idea... spiral away might be ALOT more useful if u think about it

manual controls for eveships is too hard... would mean a MASSIVE overhaul of the game mechanics and if u think you have lag with just one direction click... yikes