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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:23:00 -
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We got orbit , keep at range , bookmark herp derptry , and approach....
All of which are VERY elementary maneuvers ....
Now how about something different.
The Death Spiral
http://drvictoria.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/59056_121.jpg
where you spiral closer and closer towards your intended target.
Closing range ,maintaining transversal velocity as you approach the targets , making them turrets harder to hit you as you close distance and go for the kill.
Of course, the downside of this would be ... lower transversal than standard orbit , lower rate of closing velocity .
But I think its a nice trade off.
The best of two worlds.
What do you think? |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
72
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:28:00 -
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Not exactly new, people have been doing that for as long as I've played the game, more than likely for years before that too. Manual flying required to accomplish this. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
515
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:29:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
Of course, the downside of this would be ... lower transversal than standard orbit , lower rate of closing velocity .
But I think its a nice trade off.
The best of two worlds.
What do you think?
Sounds like a sexy addition although primarily useless so I quoted the part that will make it useless.
Trying to maintain optimal range for tracking/constant speed/transversal to apply DPS will be thrown out of the window. Ofcourse changing ammo while approaching for higher DPS has been done manually with the same affect.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:31:00 -
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You know you can do this manually, right? |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
305
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:31:00 -
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Its kind of like clicking in space to tack towards your target to maintain transversal velocity. It'd make life simpler for the fast frigate but almost too simple... |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
87
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:33:00 -
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well
them Battleships can sit still and shoot for all day long
Its only fair
Frigates and smaller ships get the same treatment :P |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
New Eden Research.
369
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:35:00 -
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Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10....
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
87
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:37:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10....
Its the mechanization argument all over again.
"DOWN WITH THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION!!!
If god intended us to use machines , why didn't he give us spanners as hands!!"
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
73
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:40:00 -
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Just what exactly is it that you're ranting on about? Spiraling is more than possible within the current game mechanics by more than one ways, you've been told about two possible means to accomplish it and not a single person has argued about anything but this not being new at all. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
668
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:58:00 -
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Didn't anyone show you how to do this already? Pity, it's an old tactic.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
87
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:06:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Didn't anyone show you how to do this already? Pity, it's an old tactic.
you mean the button smashing one?
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Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:07:00 -
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Ahem.
DO A BARREL ROLL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5qzMtLE60
Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
668
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:09:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Didn't anyone show you how to do this already? Pity, it's an old tactic. you mean the button smashing one?
Nothing button mashing about it, I was shown how to spiral over 3 years ago not long after I'd started playing.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
174
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:12:00 -
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That's called a Fibbonacci spiral and coincidentally it is the basis for the Abyss Alliance logo!
And I'd actually quite like a button that did that however it would need to be optional as we have lots of buttons already so anything new should be personal choice as to whether you include it on your interface or not. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4662
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:14:00 -
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I use this tactic when taking photos...
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
87
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:14:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:That's called a Fibbonacci spiral and coincidentally it is the basis for the Abyss Alliance logo!
And I'd actually quite like a button that did that however it would need to be optional as we have lots of buttons already so anything new should be personal choice as to whether you include it on your interface or not.
thank you for Mr Smartass pointing that out in a game dominated by geeks .
And about the too many buttons issue.
Well, there aren't really that much button on the right click village |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
174
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:17:00 -
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Its Mr Smarty Pants to you sir, you don't know me well enough to be so personal.  |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1306
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:29:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:That's called a Fibbonacci spiral...
looks like a parrot to me :/
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
87
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:32:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:That's called a Fibbonacci spiral... looks like a parrot to me :/
what kind of parrot looks like tape worms? |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1438
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:42:00 -
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Ooh, what next? a button to orbit+shoot+warpout and dock automatically?
Nyreanya wrote:Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10....
You do know that this doesn't work right?
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
88
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:43:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Ooh, what next? a button to orbit+shoot+warpout and dock automatically? Nyreanya wrote:Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10.... You do know that this doesn't work right?
considering this is a game about who went into the fight with the biggest boots
and you take turns kicking each other in the shins until the guy drops dead..
well yeah? |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1715
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:47:00 -
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That's already a basic maneuver done by any better pilot in EvE.
Learn to fly your ship, cadet.
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Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1715
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:48:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Ooh, what next? a button to orbit+shoot+warpout and dock automatically? Nyreanya wrote:Or, if you can't figure out how to double-click in space, then orbit at 20k, then 15k, then 10.... You do know that this doesn't work right?
In what way doesn't this work ?
You can either orbit manually if you're good,
or lower the orbitting distance via button gradually.
In small decrements.
It works.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
88
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:50:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:That's already a basic maneuver done by any better pilot in EvE.
Learn to fly your ship, cadet.
a basic MANUAL maneuver ...
Its the same FBW vs Hydro-mechanical control argument again.... |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1715
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:52:00 -
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rant:
Hell, how many more idiots will keep posting bullcrap about things he's too ignorant to learn ??
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Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1715
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:53:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Solstice Project wrote:That's already a basic maneuver done by any better pilot in EvE.
Learn to fly your ship, cadet. a basic MANUAL maneuver ... Its the same FBW vs Hydro-mechanical control argument again....
Yes. Manual. That's the point. It's fun to fly a ship.
If you can't handle it manually, then fly a sitting brick.
You want to remove any necessity of skill in this game ??
edit: You have *NO* argument AT ALL.
You only seem to have no skill and no incentive to LEARN that skill to do it manually !
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2375
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:56:00 -
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The same old arguements in play.
I can already do that (although it's a pain in the ass) vs it would be better if the game had an option to do this smoothly.
Of course you can close in your orbit manually, then again we all know that EVE has never handled manual flight control very well. It's not really designed to do so.
So the question is, which skills would be more enjoyable in actual game play without simplifiying things too much.
1: Making rough estimates of where to double click in space to herd your ship in a general direction.
2: Adding some different preset manuvers to choose from that may (or in some cases may NOT) compliment each other.
Adding a Death Spiral manuver to the basic orbit features only really has merit if you take it a step further and add several other manuvers at the same time. If you do that pilot skill begins to reflect the tactics of how you string the flight patterns together effectively (or not) instead of how fast you double click in space... and frankly nobody has suggested taking away the ability to double click in space as you always have.
This likely won't ever happen, but lets not just knee jerk at the thought.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Cede Forster
37
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:58:00 -
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and then, when everything is said and done, the ******* brings missiles, wont he? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1002
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Posted - 2012.08.28 14:02:00 -
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Learn the difference. It could safe your life. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
88
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Posted - 2012.08.28 14:17:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Solstice Project wrote:That's already a basic maneuver done by any better pilot in EvE.
Learn to fly your ship, cadet. a basic MANUAL maneuver ... Its the same FBW vs Hydro-mechanical control argument again.... Yes. Manual. That's the point. It's fun to fly a ship. If you can't handle it manually, then fly a sitting brick. You want to remove any necessity of skill in this game ?? edit: You have *NO* argument AT ALL. You only seem to have no skill and no incentive to LEARN that skill to do it manually !
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