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Waaaaaagggh	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:01:00 - [1] Been playin eve for about 4 months. In the last month or so I've noticed my eyesight has gotten slightly worse. The issue is that my eyesight never changes. I have the same pair of glasses I've had for over 6 years and each time I go for an eye exam, my prescription hasn't increased. And in just 4 months I've noticed more change in eyesight than I have in 6 years. I play eve on a 15.4" 1080 screen. I could up the resolution but I run an alt and switching back and forth is a lot easier at fixed window mode. Honestly I respect the age of the game. Back in 2003 there were no high res screens. But now it's just getting ridiculous. I know I'm not the only one who has issues with font size (lots of other threads). CCP, please don't make my eyes any worse. I seriously have to get new glasses in a few weeks. Haven't had to do that in 6 years!! WTF I haven't voted for CSM yet. Whoever can promise to work on releasing that UI overhaul and add adjustable fonts gets my vote
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Miilla on 22/03/2011 23:02:51 Thats a low resolution you are playing at, and such a small screen size. Go buy a cheap 24" monitor, not your iPad.
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/03/2011 23:02:51 Thats a low resolution you are playing at, and such a small screen size. Er... I think you mean HIGH resolution. I mean, I don't think 1280p is en vogue yet... But yeah, seriously, I didn't even know they made 15" 1080p screens. That's obscene!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Teranul Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/03/2011 23:02:51 Thats a low resolution you are playing at, and such a small screen size. Er... I think you mean HIGH resolution. I mean, I don't think 1280p is en vogue yet... But yeah, seriously, I didn't even know they made 15" 1080p screens. That's obscene! Actually I meant it LOW, as I have played games on 2k or higher screens.
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:11:00 - [5] Well... you're special.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Teranul Well... you're special. Yes, I am.
Hired Assasin Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:22:00 - [7] 1200x1080? used to have a screen like that years ago, upgrades to a 26' 1900x1200
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:28:00 - [8] Get a proper monitor, this isn't an xbox game. ---
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Teranul Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/03/2011 23:02:51 Thats a low resolution you are playing at, and such a small screen size. Er... I think you mean HIGH resolution. I mean, I don't think 1280p is en vogue yet... But yeah, seriously, I didn't even know they made 15" 1080p screens. That's obscene! Ive got 3/4 year old dell xps laptop here with a 15" screen at 1980 x 1200. You are partly right though, they shouldnt make them but they do. Wallpaper looks incredible, everything else needs zooming :)
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:44:00 - [10] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 22/03/2011 23:46:02 Nobody can tell your clone is wearing reading glasses. But seriously: I have to use reading glasses to play this game. But then the iPod is not much better. Dark grey text on a black background is just as hard to read as EVE fonts. So even Apple ****s it up.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.23 00:29:00 - [11] Ya know, there are font size options in the client :P - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Jane Griffin Ive got 3/4 year old dell xps laptop here with a 15" screen at 1980 x 1200. You are partly right though, they shouldnt make them but they do. Wallpaper looks incredible, everything else needs zooming :) I cooked 2 video cards on my 17" XPS laptop. The first one was under warranty. The second video card wasn't under warranty, and so I replaced the XPS laptop with a standard desktop that wouldn't cook itself, and had replaceable parts. Gaming laptops shouldn't cook themselves
Spit Chew Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Gaming laptop I don't suppose you believe in the easter bunny too?
Internet White Knight	Posted - 2011.03.23 04:05:00 - [14] That's right. You're not getting old, you're not spending too much time burping the bishop, it's Eve killing your eyesight.
Waaaaaagggh	Posted - 2011.03.23 04:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Internet White Knight That's right. You're not getting old, you're not spending too much time burping the bishop, it's Eve killing your eyesight. lol i'm 22... anyways i realize that a 15.4" is kinda small for a 1080 screen (HP Envy 15). nonetheless i've had the laptop for over a year now, and never had an issue with small text. troll all you want, but last i checked, people want eve to have adjustable font...
Novee InFeldspar	Posted - 2011.03.23 05:09:00 - [16] +eleventy miilion on this one. Eve's fonts, for lack of a better word, are rubbish. Best you can do is 13point expanded in the Esc options menu. My eyesight ain't great (two detached retinas will do that to you). I play at 1920x1200, and given most Eve players aren't hyperactive 12-yr olds with 20/20 vision... and that high res screen are a lot more commonplace now than they were in 2003... TL:DR - CCP needs to get with the program... a larger text size won't break the game, but it will make it easier to read.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.03.23 05:12:00 - [17] If you think that's bad, try 2560x1600 on a 30" monitor. Your eyes will bleed.
X201207 Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.23 05:38:00 - [18] You ever find that ore we mined together Waaaggghhh? Sorry about your eyes.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor	Posted - 2011.03.23 06:50:00 - [19] Hmmh, I play on 1280x1060, but a 19 inch screen, I guess the size is probably most important, so you don't have to lean forward to read something :P Although I could tweak it up a bit, but I like it this way.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.03.23 07:05:00 - [20] Sue. Take legal action. Seriously.... They been ignoring users complaining about the blindness enducing fonts for years. Apparently 2-3 years ago a typography expert was hired....... "nothing" was the result. The fonts on the promo videos look a lot better now tho.
Azhpol Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 07:08:00 - [21] Try clicking the little A+ in the upper left of your chat windows... You might find it useful
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.23 07:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Boltorano If you think that's bad, try 2560x1600 on a 30" monitor. Your eyes will bleed. I do 2560×1440 on a 27" ù it's perfectly readable. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.03.23 08:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Waaaaaagggh Originally by: Internet White Knight That's right. You're not getting old, you're not spending too much time burping the bishop, it's Eve killing your eyesight. lol i'm 22... That would be evidence in favor of the bishop-theory... But seriously, try distinguishing "8" from "9" in the PI extractor survey window. I have full eyesight and can see every single pixel, yet it is hardly possible. This sucks ass. 1920x1080 @ 21.5".
Alonzo Harris	Posted - 2011.03.23 08:28:00 - [24] Not EVE's fault some people have monitors with too high/weird resolutions for it's screen size.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 09:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Alonzo Harris Not EVE's fault some people have monitors with too high/weird resolutions for it's screen size. True, but these arent weird but relatively normal. Fonts in eve are horrible
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.23 09:19:00 - [26] You can get great large monitors for under two hundred smackers these days. There's really no excuse! Unless of course you don't have two hundred smackers, in which case I sympathise and suggest you get thicker lenses on your glasses. If they also cost two hundred smackers, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas...
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.03.23 11:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Boltorano If you think that's bad, try 2560x1600 on a 30" monitor. Your eyes will bleed. I do 2560+1440 on a 27" ù it's perfectly readable. Yeah no problems here on a 30". Eyes bleeding? Hardly. It's a high res, but it's also a very big screen so the pixel pitch is fairly normal (and even slightly higher than Tippia's 27). It's just like a normal screen with more area. OP's issue is using a very high res on a tiny screen. -- Originally by: Brian Ballsack please learn to use english if your gonna post
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.03.23 12:56:00 - [28] I don't think the OPs screen is really that high a density. Old thinkpads had 1600x1200 in 15 inch screens. I think Eve needs better support for larger font, it's a real problem. I've actually came to the same conclusion as the OP. I've spent thousands of hours squinting at small text doing industry and trading over the past 5 years, and my eyesight has definitely gotten worse (21 y.o., still young). It's probably computer use in general, but still... I have a feeling it's just part of the life of an eve trader
Alonzo Harris	Posted - 2011.03.23 13:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Alonzo Harris Not EVE's fault some people have monitors with too high/weird resolutions for it's screen size. True, but these arent weird but relatively normal. Fonts in eve are horrible I have a completely bog standard 22" 1680x1050 Samsung, it's actually aging a bit. I have no problems whatsoever and actually I run multiple accounts running at 1600x1000. Not doing the "if I don't have a problem no one has" but uhm.... yeah.
The Snowman Gallente The Ascension	Posted - 2011.03.23 13:40:00 - [30] I tried Eve on one of the new LED Screens, a 37 inch in 1080p With fonts on as large as they go, I couldnt comfortably play eve from my couch, I STILL have to move close to the TV. problem is that the font on most of the UI doesnt change either. so I agree... at first the font was a problem just for the few whiny people, then as the years have passed by it became an great annoyance for most people. And Now its just a massive problem for anyone who upgrades to the now industry standard 1080p Even on my own screen I find that I cant really play eve for more than a few hours I get head ache's and then I get back aches because im always straining forward. Time to fix this CCP? Id vote for any CSM member that puts this on the agenda ;)
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.03.23 13:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Sue. You're a ***ing idiot. Even if he tried, it has been LONG PROVEN that eyestrain from closework cannot lead to longterm eye damage Linkage Linkage Linkage @OP: You're getting EYE STRAIN* (at most) from having a small screen with "HD" resolution pushed onto you my marketing gimmicks. If you play Eve, or otherwise work with a screen for many hours, it pays you to have a larger screen with a suitable native resolution. Your eyes are getting worse because you're aging. Sucks, but it's true.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.03.23 14:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher @OP: You're getting EYE STRAIN (at most) from having a small screen with "HD" resolution pushed onto you my marketing gimmicks. If you play Eve, or otherwise work with a screen for many hours, it pays you to have a larger screen with a suitable native resolution. Your eyes are getting worse because you're aging. Sucks, but it's true. I would recommend getting at least a 32" 1080p panel if you can afford it then even at 1920x1080 you can easily read the fonts. <--getting old too. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Silvos Yavimaya	Posted - 2011.03.23 14:39:00 - [33] I agree, I have only been playing EVE for a few weeks now, but head, neck, back aches seems to be par for the course. I would love to see this fixed, but in the mean time pop some ibuprofen. and take coffee breaks between missions. BTW I run it on a 17" monitor that i think the dionsaurs used back in the day.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:09:00 - [34] I wish people wouldn't adopt marketing-speak when describing resolution. Anyway, it's true that there needs to be an option for substantially larger UI text, and the font itself needs to be tweaked to eliminate the confusion between certain letters, numbers, and symbols. _____________________________ [Sebiestor tattoos and Intaki hair: NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.]
Arx Eladios THE PAROXYSM Session Changes	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:16:00 - [35] Forget it. We had been complaining about the font size and font itself (O vs 0, 1 vs l, etc) since the beginning of EVE and we had been ignored. CCP just refuses to comment on the issue. Only thing I can think of is to set your resolution smaller.
Waaaaaagggh	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:25:00 - [36] Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 23/03/2011 15:29:02 Originally by: X201207 You ever find that ore we mined together Waaaggghhh? Sorry about your eyes. lol forgot bout that completely. i still have it. too busy watching my eyes bleed but honestly tho. wasn't a new UI supposed to be released with incursion 1.2? that got delayed... so perfect time to add this feature
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:28:00 - [37] I've been complaining about this since I started playing in 2007. This really needs to be fixed. We need new fonts or ideally a fully-scalable UI like most other MMOs have. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Eian	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:29:00 - [38] I think it's time they do some work in the font size area as well. I play on a 27-inch iMac @ 2560 x 1440 and the fonts are just to small. Chat is ok because it has a very flexible adjustment rate.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:06:00 - [39] It is really sad that computer monitor standards are dependent on TV standards. I ran UXGA for years with no Issues (high res screen), now all my screens are QWXGA which are all look great for EVE as well. I will admit the font is not the best. It is not about the size of the font but rather spacing between characters. Changing the font to this forums font would make a huge difference. Also putting a monitor in anything other then its native resolution will make it blurry. Sometimes it is hardly noticeable but the blur is there. On the bit of your eyes getting worse because of EVE, I seriously doubt it.
Fridtjof Nansen	Posted - 2011.03.23 23:36:00 - [40] Edited by: Fridtjof Nansen on 23/03/2011 23:38:26 Yea + for the adjustable font. As for thread starter, take a lesson from someone older. When things in your body that used to work starts to work less or not at all. SEE A MEDICAL PROFFESIONAL !
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2011.03.24 00:12:00 - [41] Ok for starters /THREAD No one, seriously, NO ONE plays Eve on a screen smaller than 21.5". Those who play on 15" - 21" only change skills, sell chars or do market stuff. So come back to 2011 and get a normal screen.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.03.24 00:27:00 - [42] I run 1280x800 on a lil 17inch, cant read ** but im half blind anyway so I just make up what things say, its like my own lil world. Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers**
Waaaaaagggh	Posted - 2011.03.24 01:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Michelle Vega Ok for starters /THREAD No one, seriously, NO ONE plays Eve on a screen smaller than 21.5". Those who play on 15" - 21" only change skills, sell chars or do market stuff. So come back to 2011 and get a normal screen. No one, seriously, NO ONE has a laptop with a screen larger than 20". Those who play on a 19"-50" only play on desktops. Why would I want to buy a 22" monitor for my laptop... I would have 2 things to lug around
AlleyKat Gallente The Unwanted.	Posted - 2011.03.24 01:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Simetraz Changing the font to this forums font would make a huge difference. Um, that is dictated by your browser settings.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.03.24 10:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Michelle Vega No one, seriously, NO ONE plays Eve on a screen smaller than 21.5". Those who play on 15" - 21" only change skills, sell chars or do market stuff. So come back to 2011 and get a normal screen. I play on a 17" at 1280x1024. It's not ideal, I really feel the lack of screen space, but I have no choice. _____________________________ [Sebiestor tattoos and Intaki hair: NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.]
Fenlx	Posted - 2011.03.24 13:02:00 - [46] Originally by: Lt Angus I run 1280x800 on a lil 17inch, cant read **** but im half blind anyway so I just make up what things say, its like my own lil world. LOL I have a 24'' monitor @1920*1200 and fonts bold and extended..still its very difficult read those little caracters.
Zyress	Posted - 2011.03.24 16:27:00 - [47] I play on a 47" LCD Screen running 1920X1080 and from the couch it is a little difficult to read chat boxes or the Overview, it would be nice to be able to set a much larger Font
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.03.24 17:41:00 - [48] Eye focus is a function of eye muscles. If you wear glasses, it's comparable to using a cane for your legs. People who use canes eventually end up using walkers. Eventually they end up in wheelchairs. I have known old codgers who refused to use canes, walkers, etc, and they walked on their own two legs until the end (*live in Florida for 9 years and you will have known enough oldsters to see a pattern). Others who did what the doctor ordered spent their last year or two in hospice being wheeled around by orderlies. When I was 14 they said I needed glasses. Hogwash. I was a powerlifter and knew how muscles worked, and how the eyes focus with muscles. I ignored them. It's a scam: get glasses, eyes get weaker. Years later, you need a new prescription: more $$. They put flouride in water to prevent cavities and it causes dental flourosis - the teeth get brittle and can break. Another scam. See the pattern? In the armed forces they said I had 20/30 vision and gave me glasses to fix that. I got away with refusing to wear them in basic training because even the drill sargeant thought it was ridiculous to have glasses for 20/30. I never wore them. I am over 40 and still don't need glasses, and I stare at monitors all day, and play Eve too. My vision has actually improved over the years. The OPs problems is that he fell for the scam. Drop the glasses, let the eyes get stronger. Case closed.

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