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MrCue
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish
This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating.
Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive.
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Pascal Almaric
The Solipsist Nation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:24:00 -
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A question about either ship, inspired by the mention of arty earlier: what do you do about the start of WC4 where the gate is about 25km away and the rats 100km beyond it, and you want a short-to-medium range fit for the following 2 rooms? Does either ship have a substantial advantage in this mission?
I ask because I have an alt who flies a Nightmare in Amarr space, and I'm wondering about getting him something for the Angel missions that come up.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/04/2011 22:26:05
Originally by: MrCue
Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish
This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating.
Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive.
The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community".
-Liang
Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.12 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: MrCue
Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish
This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating.
Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive.
There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ******ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, **** and harry that has the skills.
Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan.
...oh wait
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Lucious Shakiel
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Posted - 2011.04.12 06:01:00 -
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Mach is faster, does more damage, has more range and has the superior drone capabilities.
The Vargur has the stronger tank, uses less ammo and can loot/salvage on the fly.
IMO the Mach is better for a dual boxer or someone who doesn't loot or would prefer to use a Noctis. The Vargur is better for the guy who flies solo and wants to do his looting/salvaging in one trip.
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Pookoko
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Posted - 2011.04.12 06:37:00 -
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I haven't flown Vargur, so I won't really make a comparison in terms of performance. However, it needs to be pointed out that a mission Mach will have 4 gyros + 3 TEs, which is pretty much max combination of DPS mods you can get on a auto-cannon ship.
Here is a setup I use vs. Serpentis. Put whatever you want on the utility slot, nos/tractor/etc, and rigs to taste (3x Polycarbon gives it 631m/s with 9.4s align time at max skills without any implants, which is comparable to AB Tengu with no speed rigs).
[Machariel, Mach Serp Mission] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
100MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.12 07:27:00 -
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lol @ people still using AB's on mission ships.
...oh wait
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Elisa Vilerum
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Posted - 2011.04.12 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Elisa Vilerum on 12/04/2011 07:35:37 for me mach is preferred i don't loot for years now and i dual box and is safe to say 2x mach will pwn 2x varg in mission completion times any day of the week due to dps gain.
also being able to use artillery is desirable there is no better platform for them than machariel.
but difference is small in performance whatever one choose will be good.
i must say that mach opened up dominix for me and i like that overgrown space potato :)
ninja edit
BC suck donkey balls with tard's posting and tard's moderating,there is many good fits there but much more bad ones because every registered member can post them.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.04.12 10:28:00 -
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I use the following fit (with a max skill Tengu booster)
[Vargur, Vanir] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Salvager II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5
Goes through Angels like a blowtorch through butter. Some of the mods are a little pricey but they'll easily be repaid with money made. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
MrCue
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community".
-Liang
Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck.
This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are.
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MrCue
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ******ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, **** and harry that has the skills.
Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan.
I challenge you to go look at the top rated mission fits, and post constructive criticism on what is wrong with them, the answer is going to be little to nothing.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 12/04/2011 16:20:39
Originally by: MrCue
Originally by: Liang Nuren
The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community".
-Liang
Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck.
This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are.
I suppose emails and PMs stating as much won't do then?
-Liang
Ed: And yes, I have been publicly and privately reprimanded, and threatened with bans, for providing constructive feedback to what can only be mother ****ing troll threads from hell.
Battleclinic is a blight upon the community. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.04.12 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: MrCue
Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish
This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating.
Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive.
There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ******ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, **** and harry that has the skills.
Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan.
There are lots of good fits on Battleclinic. They just aren't in the fitting section ;-)
Find a good pilots loss mails that's where the good fits are.
As to using AB in missions I still use them in most missions since MWDs have fitting and cap issues that AB's don't.
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Elsa Nietchize
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Posted - 2011.04.12 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Elsa Nietchize on 12/04/2011 20:36:27
Originally by: MrCue
Originally by: Liang Nuren
The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community".
-Liang
Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck.
This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are.
holy **** someone is butthurt mad! everyone knows 99% of the fits on BC are crap! also, how does how you act in person have anything to do with poor moderators in BC? if you are one, your RL personality is completely independent of your mod skills. face it, nice people can still be terrible mods.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.04.13 02:21:00 -
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Pshht, you guys have missed the most important thing.
The varg looks like scit while the mach is a fantastic fall asleep orgasm all in package.
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fr0gout
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.04.13 02:26:00 -
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Hope you aren't running Guristas Missions with your Vargur because right now it gets jammed 96%+ of the time by the Guristas HACs lol. I'm grateful to CCP that they've shown the world how ******ed ECM is.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.13 02:29:00 -
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I thought about buying another Mach, but since i started doing some angel missions, i will just build one myself
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Umbrella Research Group
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Posted - 2011.04.13 04:02:00 -
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Mach all the way.
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Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:22:00 -
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Hiya test - this is your Daddy, where did you say you'll be using your new mach?
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Pachink0
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Posted - 2011.04.14 02:23:00 -
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when people say most fits on battleclinic are crap, are they also referring to the fittings with positive ratings or only the many negative rating fits?
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.14 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pa*****0 when people say most fits on battleclinic are crap, are they also referring to the fittings with positive ratings or only the many negative rating fits?
A lot of the high rated fits (the top rated pve ishtar fit for instance) are really bad, now that said there are good fits there too.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.14 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Songbird Hiya test - this is your Daddy, where did you say you'll be using your new mach?
In ur mom
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Jason W0rthing
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Posted - 2011.04.14 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community".
-Liang
But this makes it sooooooooooo fun to troll. My favorite thing to do is make a ridiculously expensive fit, then when complaints surface about it being a dreamfit, I just insist that everyone else must be really poor and that I'm sorry I can't pander to the lower class of EVE. Or you just mention that you just "tossed on some mods I had in my hangar" and that you "didn't notice that the fit costs 3 bil". Of course the best comment is, "If you can't afford it just fit t2". Usually everyone shuts up then because no one wants to admit they can't afford fit up rad 1.5 bil command ships or 40 mil rifters.
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:30:00 -
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Battleclinic is for tossers. If you aren't feeding that URL full of false information you are doing it wrong.
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Petroline
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.03 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Force Kon Ok thx a lot for the awesome replies, i will get a Vargur for sure !
Me too! ;)
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.03 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 03/07/2011 22:54:41 My Vargur was fitted with the following...
[Vargur, L4 blitz] Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
... and it's effective. A Maelstrom does an equally good job if you just truly want to blitz and have no interest in salvaging. Plenty of people like to fly Machariels too but I'm not interested in using Machs for PVE.
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