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Force Kon	Posted - 2011.03.23 10:26:00 - [1] Im about 11 days away from being able to fly a Vargur, is there any point getting one or is it really bad? Looking at the Battleclinic loadouts there isnt anything thats highly rated and im just wondering if anyone has any wisdom they could inflict on me before i waste all my isk on one of these monsters.
Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 11:42:00 - [2] It's not bad. The Machariel is better though. Fit it with 800mm's, 3xGyro, 2xTE in the lows, a shield tank, propulsion mod and TC in the mids.
Yama Yamaha	Posted - 2011.03.23 11:58:00 - [3] Better looking for sure. Better? Really? Vargur is equal to Golem, these 2 are best marauders. Vargur loots and salvages on the go, Mach farms more LPs. Which is better depends on your skills, LP value, style of play (depending if you value more isk/h or fun/h :P). Basically a math problem that could be answered easily with some spreadsheet warfare if one can be ars.ed.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.03.23 12:02:00 - [4] The vargur is pretty decent. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.03.23 13:11:00 - [5] Vargur is great, used to fly one all the time when I missioned. Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish IMO...Scrapheap Challenge is tyically better. You need: Highs: 4x 800 IIs, 2x Tractors, 1x Salvager (TII if you can fit it) Mids: AB (Preferably Faction), Tracking comp (range script), whatever tank you like to use/can afford Lows: 3x RF Gyros, 2x Tracking Enhancer IIs Rigs: 1x TII ROF rig + whatever else you need for tank Drones: 5x TII lights + whatever else you like - I seldom ever used the mediums I carried as cruisers just die so fast to 800s...
Force Kon	Posted - 2011.03.23 13:44:00 - [6] Im currently using a typhoon fleet issue tho, the huge drop in speed is a bit of a concern.
Race Imperiled Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 14:38:00 - [7] I found two interesting Varg fits on BL from Seriously Bored. One ridiculously expensive, one not so ridiculously expensive. Training for a Varg myself and looking forward to trying out SB's fit. I'm currently using his Maelstrom "Baby Varg" fit and it's ace on toast, so I'm confident the Varg fits I linked above will be worth looking at. *** Available for Hire
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 15:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Race Imperiled I found two interesting Varg fits on BL from Seriously Bored. One ridiculously expensive, one not so ridiculously expensive. Training for a Varg myself and looking forward to trying out SB's fit. I'm currently using his Maelstrom "Baby Varg" fit and it's ace on toast, so I'm confident the Varg fits I linked above will be worth looking at. Ignore the ridiculously expensive one. I sold off the mods piecemeal and only fly the T2 tank these days. I haven't noticed a shred of difference. The Vargur just simply does not need any sort of tank pimping to operate at peak efficiency, and in this age of hisec ganking, the cheaper option is the better one. It's a wonderful machine, and in my experience it performs toe to toe with the Mach when you examine your wallet over time and account for everything. Just resist any temptation you have to make wreck balls or to linger while salvaging everything...it's best to salvage what you can without slowing down and move on to the next mission. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Valeroth Kyarmentari	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:01:00 - [9] I've been flying a Vargur for a few months now and I love it. Love the 3 extra high utility slots, and use them for more than tractor and salvage on occasion.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 17:28:00 - [10] The varg is an awesome ship, When I was in hisec I used that thing to rip through L4 missions. It paid for itself in 3 days. Doesn't see much use in my new home. If you want to get one, contact me in game. I'll do you a good deal on my fitted/rigged one ^^ Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 20:32:00 - [11] T2 tank on a Vargur works just fine for level 4s. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Thleffs Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 22:21:00 - [12] This is a cheap fit my main flies in Amarr space just against Angels: [Vargur [PVE] .] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.23 23:48:00 - [13] Probably a dumb question, but has anybody come up with a semi-reasonable 1400mm vargur fit? I can't seem to find a fit that doesn't require absolute silliness due to PG.
Amda Tori Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.24 00:31:00 - [14] I recently trained for a Vargur and i also had Gallente Battleship Level 5, so I bought a Machariel. So, on test server i got to test a Machariel vs Vargur in PVE ( Guristas Sanctums ) This is the fit for Vargur: [Vargur, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II 100MN Afterburner II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 And for Machariel: [Machariel, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Nosferatu II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Berserker SW-900 x2 Results: - The Machariel has a higher Powergrid than the Vargur. The Machariel can fit 1400mm Artillery with the same fit. - The Machariel has a higher drone bay than the Vargur. ( 125m^3 vs 75m^3 ). Means you can place only 5 medium drones and 5 light drones in Vargur. - The Vargur does have a higher damage multiplier and a better tracking than the Machariel and the same rate of fire. - The Vargur boosts more, so you can put in Shield Boost Amplifier's place a Tracking Computer, Sensor Booster, Target Painter etc - The Vargur has 3 high "utility slots" , you can fit a cloak, salvage, tractor, remote armor rep. - The Vargur can tank better than the Machariel ( more mid slots ) I, for one, I'd go with the Vargur: cheaper, some better stats, few minor advantages. I feel free to explore only within boundaries.
freshspree	Posted - 2011.03.24 01:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Amda Tori I recently trained for a Vargur and i also had Gallente Battleship Level 5, so I bought a Machariel. So, on test server i got to test a Machariel vs Vargur in PVE ( Guristas Sanctums ) This is the fit for Vargur: [Vargur, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II 100MN Afterburner II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 And for Machariel: [Machariel, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Nosferatu II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Berserker SW-900 x2 Results: - The Machariel has a higher Powergrid than the Vargur. The Machariel can fit 1400mm Artillery with the same fit. - The Machariel has a higher drone bay than the Vargur. ( 125m^3 vs 75m^3 ). Means you can place only 5 medium drones and 5 light drones in Vargur. - The Vargur does have a higher damage multiplier and a better tracking than the Machariel and the same rate of fire. - The Vargur boosts more, so you can put in Shield Boost Amplifier's place a Tracking Computer, Sensor Booster, Target Painter etc - The Vargur has 3 high "utility slots" , you can fit a cloak, salvage, tractor, remote armor rep. - The Vargur can tank better than the Machariel ( more mid slots ) I, for one, I'd go with the Vargur: cheaper, some better stats, few minor advantages. If you can spend a good amount on mid slots for a mach. I'd say gist c x-large shield booster and core-x ab but I'm sure you can spend much less and still get good stuff. This is more than enough for blockade with almost full aggro. Fit 3 hardeners, a SBA is not as effective especially when your dealing with em dmg. The vargur is better when you consider sniping frigs before they get in range and salvaging as you mish (carebear needs).
KurnKuku Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.24 02:06:00 - [16] Edited by: KurnKuku on 24/03/2011 02:06:42 I was just using EveHQ Fitter tonight to compare a Vargur and Mach. Basically because of the extra tracking, the Varg will out dps the mach at most ranges using 800mm ACs. It also has a significantly higher tank, and can still get up to around 500m/s. Sure not as fast as the mach, and at 10km with zero traversal not as high dps as the mach, but the benefits are very clear when you start looking at range/traversal dps. Plus you can salvage will running, plus substantially less ammo required, which will be big savings.
Force Kon	Posted - 2011.03.24 08:53:00 - [17] Ok thx a lot for the awesome replies, i will get a Vargur for sure !
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.03.24 10:06:00 - [18] A Machariel has 11.67 effective turrets. A Vargur has 10 effective turrets. A Machariel has 9.33 ammunition-equivalent turrets. A Vargur has 5.33 ammunition-equivalent turrets. A Machariel will do about 16.67% more DPS than a Vargur. A Machariel consumes 75% more ammunition than a Vargur. A Vargur can affordably use faction ammunition. Faction ammunition does 15% more damage than T1. Draw your own conclusions.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.03.24 11:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Aamrr A Machariel has 11.67 effective turrets. A Vargur has 10 effective turrets. A Machariel has 9.33 ammunition-equivalent turrets. A Vargur has 5.33 ammunition-equivalent turrets. A Machariel will do about 16.67% more DPS than a Vargur. A Machariel consumes 75% more ammunition than a Vargur. A Vargur can affordably use faction ammunition. Faction ammunition does 15% more damage than T1. Draw your own conclusions. While I am a Vargur > Mach fan myself, the Mach has things going for it as well Bigger drone bay, its a lot faster/better agility. You can MWD to get to those accel gates, closer to rats so you can hit them better. MWDing like a madman makes for a slightly more interesting PvE experience as well. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.03.24 11:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Patient 2428190 While I am a Vargur > Mach fan myself, the Mach has things going for it as well Bigger drone bay, its a lot faster/better agility. You can MWD to get to those accel gates, closer to rats so you can hit them better. MWDing like a madman makes for a slightly more interesting PvE experience as well. And a Vargur has the ability to salvage on the go, a larger cargohold, longer range sensors, better tracking, better resists, a shield boost amount bonus, and a better slot configuration. And when you're making that extra money on looting and salvaging, I think you've got better things to be doing than "MWDings like a madman."
Trader KUGA	Posted - 2011.03.24 13:08:00 - [21] actually it depends whether you are playing with single char or not... considering projectile guns are best against EM or Explosive weak rats which are amarr and minmatar ships, you definitely would want to salvage as you go... those ships drop considerably profitable salvage items, therefore just faming LP or bounty isk will be unlogical. If you have a spare character, then just get him into a noctis or some kind of salvaging ship and ravage rats with a mach. If you don't, it's best that you go with vargur so you can salvage as you go. You can kill rats with anything, it's the efficieny that keeps you going... if you are not efficiently doing PVE, you make something that is boring enough, into something even worse!
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.24 17:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Aamrr And a Vargur has the ability to salvage on the go, a larger cargohold, longer range sensors, better tracking, better resists, a shield boost amount bonus, and a better slot configuration. Let's not forget that rather large tracking bonus, either. It often gets over looked, but has a significant effect on hitting smaller targets. The Vargur has a lot going for it, but I would argue that the Mach has an equal amount of plusses going for it as well. IMHO and in my experience using both ships, it's a tie, but the people who fall into either camp feel pretty strong about their choice. Originally by: Trader KUGA If you have a spare character, then just get him into a noctis or some kind of salvaging ship and ravage rats with a mach. If you don't, it's best that you go with vargur so you can salvage as you go. You're much better off taking a second combat ship into the mission than the Noctis if you have the multitasking ability and computing power to do it. But this subject comes up weekly, so it isn't worth covering again... Quote: You can kill rats with anything, it's the efficieny that keeps you going... if you are not efficiently doing PVE, you make something that is boring enough, into something even worse! Amen. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.03.24 23:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Aamrr And a Vargur has the ability to salvage on the go, a larger cargohold, longer range sensors, better tracking, better resists, a shield boost amount bonus, and a better slot configuration. Let's not forget that rather large tracking bonus, either. It often gets over looked, but has a significant effect on hitting smaller targets.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.25 01:06:00 - [24] If you get bored of PvE but would still like to make some iskies off it while you do something else, get a Domi and do semi afk missions.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.25 04:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Seriously Bored The Vargur has a lot going for it, but I would argue that the Mach has an equal amount of plusses going for it as well. IMHO and in my experience using both ships, it's a tie, but the people who fall into either camp feel pretty strong about their choice. I've pretty much fallen in with this idea. maybe even a bit of preference for the varg for the less ammo use and the looty bits. but but but I love the machs looks and drone bay! can't make up mind!
Gibbo5771	Posted - 2011.03.25 09:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Thleffs This is a cheap fit my main flies in Amarr space just against Angels: [Vargur [PVE] .] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Well its fkin ****, 1.2bil booster when a lrg t2 would be fine
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.25 09:55:00 - [27] Machariel moves faster, but that is about the only thing it has going for it (no, looking awesome is not a metric!) .. which is a more or less moot point for missions. Vargur has much better tank, similar gank/range and has lower operational costs (when using faction ammo). Works beautifully with just T2 modules and becomes a walk in the park with a bit of pimp just like all marauders.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.03.25 11:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Probably a dumb question, but has anybody come up with a semi-reasonable 1400mm vargur fit? I can't seem to find a fit that doesn't require absolute silliness due to PG. You're right, that was a dumb question. ?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.25 11:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Machariel moves faster, but that is about the only thing it has going for it (no, looking awesome is not a metric!) .. which is a more or less moot point for missions. Vargur has much better tank, similar gank/range and has lower operational costs (when using faction ammo). Works beautifully with just T2 modules and becomes a walk in the park with a bit of pimp just like all marauders. You say it has lower operation costs when using faction ammo, so both are using faction ammo. Than they do definately not have similar gank, mach has way more gank.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.03.26 07:25:00 - [30] Compared to the Vargur, when loading the same ammunition, the Machariel does about 16.7% more DPS, and the Vargur has 25% better tracking. All due respect, but "similar" seems an appropriate description for their relative firepower. "Way more gank" is not.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating. Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive. Battleclinic
Pascal Almaric The Solipsist Nation	Posted - 2011.04.11 22:24:00 - [32] A question about either ship, inspired by the mention of arty earlier: what do you do about the start of WC4 where the gate is about 25km away and the rats 100km beyond it, and you want a short-to-medium range fit for the following 2 rooms? Does either ship have a substantial advantage in this mission? I ask because I have an alt who flies a Nightmare in Amarr space, and I'm wondering about getting him something for the Angel missions that come up.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.04.11 22:26:00 - [33] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/04/2011 22:26:05 Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating. Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive. The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community". -Liang Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.04.12 05:01:00 - [34] Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating. Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive. There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ****ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, ** and harry that has the skills. Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan. ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Lucious Shakiel	Posted - 2011.04.12 06:01:00 - [35] Mach is faster, does more damage, has more range and has the superior drone capabilities. The Vargur has the stronger tank, uses less ammo and can loot/salvage on the fly. IMO the Mach is better for a dual boxer or someone who doesn't loot or would prefer to use a Noctis. The Vargur is better for the guy who flies solo and wants to do his looting/salvaging in one trip.
Pookoko	Posted - 2011.04.12 06:37:00 - [36] I haven't flown Vargur, so I won't really make a comparison in terms of performance. However, it needs to be pointed out that a mission Mach will have 4 gyros + 3 TEs, which is pretty much max combination of DPS mods you can get on a auto-cannon ship. Here is a setup I use vs. Serpentis. Put whatever you want on the utility slot, nos/tractor/etc, and rigs to taste (3x Polycarbon gives it 631m/s with 9.4s align time at max skills without any implants, which is comparable to AB Tengu with no speed rigs). [Machariel, Mach Serp Mission] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.04.12 07:27:00 - [37] lol @ people still using AB's on mission ships. ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Elisa Vilerum	Posted - 2011.04.12 07:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Elisa Vilerum on 12/04/2011 07:35:37 for me mach is preferred i don't loot for years now and i dual box and is safe to say 2x mach will pwn 2x varg in mission completion times any day of the week due to dps gain. also being able to use artillery is desirable there is no better platform for them than machariel. but difference is small in performance whatever one choose will be good. i must say that mach opened up dominix for me and i like that overgrown space potato :) ninja edit BC suck donkey balls with tard's posting and tard's moderating,there is many good fits there but much more bad ones because every registered member can post them.
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2011.04.12 10:28:00 - [39] I use the following fit (with a max skill Tengu booster) [Vargur, Vanir] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Salvager II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 Goes through Angels like a blowtorch through butter. Some of the mods are a little pricey but they'll easily be repaid with money made. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation	Posted - 2011.04.12 12:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Liang Nuren The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community". -Liang Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck. This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are. Battleclinic
MrCue Drones of Annihilation	Posted - 2011.04.12 12:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ****ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, ** and harry that has the skills. Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan. I challenge you to go look at the top rated mission fits, and post constructive criticism on what is wrong with them, the answer is going to be little to nothing. Battleclinic
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.04.12 16:20:00 - [42] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 12/04/2011 16:20:39 Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Liang Nuren The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community". -Liang Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck. This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are. I suppose emails and PMs stating as much won't do then? -Liang Ed: And yes, I have been publicly and privately reprimanded, and threatened with bans, for providing constructive feedback to what can only be mother **ing troll threads from hell. Battleclinic is a blight upon the community. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Skex Relbore Gallente Skexcorp	Posted - 2011.04.12 19:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Chakarr Fits on Battleclinic are generally rubbish This seems to be a misconception that people just propagate without ever participating. Fits on battleclinic are not rubbish in general, we have a LOT of good fits. If you feel that the fits are bad, why do you not comment on them and help the users to improve their fits. Easy to whine, hard to be constructive. There is a good reason that good fits aren't posted on BC. Pro's aren't ****ed enough to hand out the good stuff for every tom, ** and harry that has the skills. Sure, give all the competition my isk whoring/PvP fits, sounds like an awesome plan. There are lots of good fits on Battleclinic. They just aren't in the fitting section ;-) Find a good pilots loss mails that's where the good fits are. As to using AB in missions I still use them in most missions since MWDs have fitting and cap issues that AB's don't.
Elsa Nietchize	Posted - 2011.04.12 20:35:00 - [44] Edited by: Elsa Nietchize on 12/04/2011 20:36:27 Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Liang Nuren The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community". -Liang Ed: Also, most fits on battleclinic suck. This is YOUR opinion, i would ask anyone who met me or Sghn at FF to point out just how wrong you are. holy **** someone is butthurt mad! everyone knows 99% of the fits on BC are crap! also, how does how you act in person have anything to do with poor moderators in BC? if you are one, your RL personality is completely independent of your mod skills. face it, nice people can still be terrible mods.
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.04.13 02:21:00 - [45] Pshht, you guys have missed the most important thing. The varg looks like scit while the mach is a fantastic fall asleep orgasm all in package.
fr0gout The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.13 02:26:00 - [46] Hope you aren't running Guristas Missions with your Vargur because right now it gets jammed 96%+ of the time by the Guristas HACs lol. I'm grateful to CCP that they've shown the world how ******ed ECM is.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.13 02:29:00 - [47] I thought about buying another Mach, but since i started doing some angel missions, i will just build one myself
Adacia Calla Minmatar Umbrella Research Group	Posted - 2011.04.13 04:02:00 - [48] Mach all the way.
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:22:00 - [49] Hiya test - this is your Daddy, where did you say you'll be using your new mach?
Pachink0	Posted - 2011.04.14 02:23:00 - [50] when people say most fits on battleclinic are crap, are they also referring to the fittings with positive ratings or only the many negative rating fits?
Linda Shadowborn Gallente Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.04.14 02:39:00 - [51] Originally by: Pa***0 when people say most fits on battleclinic are crap, are they also referring to the fittings with positive ratings or only the many negative rating fits? A lot of the high rated fits (the top rated pve ishtar fit for instance) are really bad, now that said there are good fits there too.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.14 04:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Songbird Hiya test - this is your Daddy, where did you say you'll be using your new mach? In ur mom
Jason W0rthing	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Liang Nuren The only way to comment on a battleclinic fit is to suck the guy off, otherwise you are being "destructive to the community". -Liang But this makes it sooooooooooo fun to troll. My favorite thing to do is make a ridiculously expensive fit, then when complaints surface about it being a dreamfit, I just insist that everyone else must be really poor and that I'm sorry I can't pander to the lower class of EVE. Or you just mention that you just "tossed on some mods I had in my hangar" and that you "didn't notice that the fit costs 3 bil". Of course the best comment is, "If you can't afford it just fit t2". Usually everyone shuts up then because no one wants to admit they can't afford fit up rad 1.5 bil command ships or 40 mil rifters. Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:30:00 - [54] Battleclinic is for tossers. If you aren't feeding that URL full of false information you are doing it wrong.
Petroline Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Force Kon Ok thx a lot for the awesome replies, i will get a Vargur for sure ! Me too! ;) --- iMac, Intel Core i7, 2,8 GHz, memory 8 GB, ATI Radeon HD 4850, VRAM 512 MB.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:54:00 - [56] Edited by: Lady Spank on 03/07/2011 22:54:41 My Vargur was fitted with the following... [Vargur, L4 blitz] Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 ... and it's effective. A Maelstrom does an equally good job if you just truly want to blitz and have no interest in salvaging. Plenty of people like to fly Machariels too but I'm not interested in using Machs for PVE. ~~~

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