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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 10:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Wyke Mossari
The triple goddess symbol is normally associated with neo-paganism which runs counter to the overall monotheistic theme. However the similarity is so striking it is hard to ignore and I'm inclined to consider that, gender aside, it is not that different from the Trinity (Father/Mother, Son/Maiden, Holy Spirit/Crone).
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:10:00 -
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Nice reading, Kaito.
My personal speculations:
Everybody in New Eden is a human so can be considered as one group. On the other hand, even the original pioneers arriving in New Eden belonged to different groups, likely with different agendas and goals, meaning there were factions within the group already from the beginning. This means that some factions might have split, joined or died out during the time frame after the EVE Gate's collapse.
What originally the Jovian group were and their purpose is still unclear to me, but they must have been rather resource-/powerful. I am quite convinced that what brought the 1st Jovian Empire down (the Jovian Elders) later became the 'Order/Enheduann'. I base this conclusion on the similarity in technology between the Jovians and the Order except the Order seems to be just one step ahead. Likely due to them being the elite and having a more aggressive agenda than the Jovians. Also, the there is something in the way Grious (in the Theodicy short story) describes the Order that seems to indicate a strong relation between the two factions; more than just being enemies. This could also explain the unpublished Jovian and Elder datacores.
I get the impression that you think the Order is backing the Minmatar; I think not. I think they are backing the Amarr. The way the Sefrim behaves seem much more like the work of the Orders philosophy (waging war through proxy) than the Jovian. Though, it is very likely that the Jovians and the Order were one group at the time of the Sefrim and it is this meddling with the Amarr and the the clash of philosophies that makes the two factions split.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:32:00 -
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Though it is contradicted by the time frame you present, I am rather convinced that the Jovians split once again at the end of the 2nd Jovian Empire and this group became the Sleepers.
The most obvious clue to this is the statement from the "Mysterious Sightings" mission, but also on the fact the Jovians left behind with the Jovian Disease seems to have completely disappeared and would explain the research focus of the Sleepers in w-space. If you are having a lethal depression creating a virtual reality might be your only hope. You also draw many connections between the Jovian and Sleeper technologies yourself and the fact that the Jovians provides the schematics for the tech 3 subsystems. It would also explain why the Jovians refer to w-space as anoikis. Perhaps the reason why cosmic anomalies pop up so frequently in w-space is because they have always been there, cloaked like the Terran artifacts at the EVE Gate, but the cloaking fails once in a while. Perhaps even some structures at the sites are still cloaked too.
Still, I am missing the role of the Talocan in all this. They are likely a group of early Terran origin but what they were doing in w-space in the first place and why they disappeared is still fuzzy to me.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2011.04.26 12:11:00 -
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Sorry, Im going to be annoying again.
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Still, I am missing the role of the Talocan in all this. They are likely a group of early Terran origin but what they were doing in w-space in the first place and why they disappeared is still fuzzy to me.
Really? Just yesterday I hit on another seriously awesome clue straight from Iceland confirming my hypothesis. Well not so much an hypothesis since I have no idea what it does all I know is that it is everywhere.
And there is this. As far as I can see the Talocan and the other disappeared races which as far as I am concerned excludes the Sleepers were assimilated because of their biological and, or more importantly, their technological distinctiveness which is actually just about the only thing we know of them.
Imagine you are at war and you know of yourself you are weak when it comes to the material, as in thing made of matter, side of things since you believe that it is beneath you. It also could have been the cause of your war in the first place. What you do is look around to see if there are third parties that can do something specially useful and make them your own and next you make sure your enemies cant get to them.
The fact that you have no problems messing with third parties might also have been part of your quarrel and would fit in nicely with the reference in the previous paragraph. You know the ultimate Sci Fi simulation cant exist without giving a proper salute to Admiral Wesley.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2011.04.26 12:33:00 -
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Wow, just thought of it, anyone remember what happened to the fictional Wesley? Yes there is a real one too which I didnt know just an our ago. How about fitting into the story perfectly.
Seriously sentient nanites too.
Oh no, here come the Fleet.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2011.04.26 13:33:00 -
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This is too funny. What if Next Generations way of paying homage to their creator was ensign Crusher and CCPs way the Sleepers Mystery. You know a mission of exploration. Am I ruining it for everyone already?
Some links that stood out at first glance.
-Roddenberry sold the project as a "Wagon Train to the Stars". Okkelen anyone?
-"Metamorphosis", "The Empath", "Who Watches the Watchers" are mentioned as reflecting his Humanist/Agnostic views.
Metamorphosis again.
Who Watcher the Watchers is the prime directive and people playing god to a lesser evolved society.
The Empath is linked to the "Pearl of Great Price".
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.26 17:58:00 -
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Kalevala - Kalevala, a poem concerning
Finnish creation myth a continuously recurring theme.
Athra, the original name of Amarr Prime; Athra is a variation of Hathra, Hrathra or Annar of Norse myth (1) (2).
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Kaito Haakkainen
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
I get the impression that you think the Order is backing the Minmatar; I think not.
I do not think this. The Order seem to have been influencing the races, likely all of them, the Minmatar were the closest to the path the Order were nudging them all towards rather than a favoured group.
Will update latest version with my current hypothesis, which has remained the same for a couple of weeks now pending further input, and wait for it to get blasted full of holes.
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Kaito Haakkainen
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Kalevala - Kalevala, a poem concerning
Finnish creation myth a continuously recurring theme.
Athra, the original name of Amarr Prime; Athra is a variation of Hathra, Hrathra or Annar of Norse myth (1) (2).
Your entries here are fantastic and worthy of being collected together in a separate work. Sadly I already have a fair bit on my plate at the moment with another EVE project being dabbled with, this project being observed, and various things that aren't EVE.
If you wish to gather our data into a work in and of itself it would allow this project to be trimmed down considerably and provide greater focus. No doubt both would influence each other but the topics (RL comparisons of names, symbols, and such vs virtual archaeology on fictional civilizations) are distinct enough to warrant their own projects.
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Tsual
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.28 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 28/04/2011 21:01:23
I hope it is noted that with the Uroboros mothership of sansha the fourth macaper prophecy sort of came true as uroboros is the dragon that eats its own tail out of apetite, it is related to kundalini and the midgard snake sort of.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2011.04.29 22:50:00 -
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Did someone mention something about trinity.
Three hares
Wait, Kirk again?
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Renee Khalida
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 -
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I'm going to be analyzing this. Comments can be found here. Feedback welcome.
Amazing work, Kaito. Hopefully I can honor your work by keeping some more discussion on it going.
*bows deeply*
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Rowan Heleneto
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:52:00 -
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mad piece of work, must show others of this. dont want this to be a dead thread!
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