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FoulBeast
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Posted - 2005.02.04 05:38:00 -
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So i've heard so many different sugestions, in practace what is found to be the best. I would guess the scorp would be best becasue of EW, but then I've read some posts that some like the typhoon. Any sugestions and sample setups would be much appreciated since I can fly any race BS, and hopefully it will help others too.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:01:00 -
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there is no hands down "best bs"
Any battleship can be owned by any other, if the other is set up for it.
That said, as far as "generic" setups go, I would probably put the Raven up there as the "ship of the moment". It tanks well and does good damage - target jammed or not. What more could you want?
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I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:07:00 -
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For new characters, if I had known the way things were going. I would have picked a Caldari char and trained a Raven.
Bang/time_in_eve... Raven is the best BS for new players.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:26:00 -
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Raven probably is the best choice for a low skill player as it does good, consistent damage with either cruise or torpedoes firing from it, and can be a good tank. But for the more experienced player who has good gunnery skills, perhaps a Megathron or Apocalypse might be a better choice for damage dealing.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:55:00 -
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Scorp for EW, but it can't tank at the same time, and it's dmg output sucks
Raven for low skillpoint and untill the missile changes it's best vs frigs and good against BS
Apoc has a wonderful tank with good dmg.
geddon can deal insane dmg but in a gankageddon setup it's a tin can.
Haven't seen much of the tempist since the patch but it used to be a longrange support ship for pilots with lots of skills. Those big guns hit hard and hit alot.
Megathron can snipe with an ok tank, with blasters it can do insane dmg as well but it has cap and power grid issues and it very limited( close range only,i.e. < 10KM) overall in combat
I REALY like the raven because I can kill a frig that gets within range to warp scramble me, so I can stand and fight or force him to let me go. Apocs and ravens are the "best" as far as number used, you'll see no shortage of them in space. IN a fleet battle you'll feel better if you ahve a few scorps around not only because the EW will reduce the number of effective hostile ships but because they are almost always called primary target first leaving you to find in yoru fleet's blob.
I've never flown the typhoon but I hear it's a jack of all trades and unlike the other ships here it doesn't have one MUST use setup that everyone knows. Flying that phoon is like flying a jack in the box, if someone attacks you they never know what is coming out.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.02.04 08:37:00 -
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Raven is excellent as it can deal close on its Max Possible damage while fully tanked.
If you take it in to fleet avoid firing on primary targets as you will never get a shot in with the time to target delay on missiles. And after the scorps are dead you'll be next :P.
Megathron excellent for damage possibly the best battleship for killer volleys doesn't tank as well as its contemporaries but with right set-up deals much more damage.
Geddon is next for gun damage, but can tank well also.
Only flown a tempest on the test server so not qualified to voice an opinion.
But ultimately it is down to personal style and what twists you biscuit,
A Raven and its unweilding direct approach
A blazing Megathron shoot first ask questions later
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a Geddon which actually looks like a star ship.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.04 08:40:00 -
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I suggest you get a Dominix. They've been relatively useless in combat for many months, and its only a matter of time before they turn into a juggernaut from hell.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.02.04 08:52:00 -
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There is no best...
...however, I've never heard any fleet commander say no to an extra Scorpion.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.02.04 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: CmdrRat
I've never flown the typhoon but I hear it's a jack of all trades and unlike the other ships here it doesn't have one MUST use setup that everyone knows. Flying that phoon is like flying a jack in the box, if someone attacks you they never know what is coming out.
Exactly!
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.02.04 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
There is no best...
...however, I've never heard any fleet commander say no to an extra Scorpion.
I have. 
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.02.04 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 04/02/2005 09:46:40
Originally by: Selim
I suggest you get a Dominix. They've been relatively useless in combat for many months, and its only a matter of time before they turn into a juggernaut from hell.
You mean the VampaDom setup isn't of use? 
Oh, as for best PvP bs... yep, it's been said. There is no best, just a matter of setups. Though how are Tempests these days?
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2005.02.04 10:11:00 -
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The Tempest has gone from being down on the list, to maybe at the top of the list. Only tested it with the 800mm guns, and with that setup it deals more dmg than a good tank can outtank. I would say it's overpowered now.
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Dr Derek
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Posted - 2005.02.04 10:39:00 -
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Best pvp ship is probably the gankageddon...
HI- 7x mega pulse, 1x heavy energy neut (65km+ with Radio)
MED- 2x Sensor Booster II's 1x scrambler
LOW- 6 Heat sink II's, 1x armor rep, 1x Tracking Enhancer II
medium and heavy drones in drone bay..
Only Weekness is EW ship.. but with 3x sensor booster II's you will kill the EW ship b4 it locks you 
"If you cant beat em, join em"
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Derek
Best pvp ship is probably the gankageddon...
Not really, it's easy to counter if you know what you're up against. 2x EM + 1x them hardeners and a raven will tear it apart :-)
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
The Tempest has gone from being down on the list, to maybe at the top of the list. Only tested it with the 800mm guns, and with that setup it deals more dmg than a good tank can outtank. I would say it's overpowered now.
Really......I'll have to check this out. 
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 04/02/2005 12:22:42
Originally by: Beringe
There is no best...
...however, I've never heard any fleet commander say no to an extra Scorpion.
With the state of the game atm, I'd take more damage dealer BS for larger fleets over more Scorps any day, assuming there are already a few Scorps in the fleet. There is nothing more frustrating than getting the majority of the enemy fleet jammed, but not being able to actually kill anyone because all you have are Scorps with their legendary pathetic damage output which then get picked off one by one by the 2-3 still unjammed enemy damage dealers.
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fras
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Posted - 2005.02.04 13:24:00 -
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i definately would not pick the typhoon.
Raven would be my pick, u don't need as many SP as a gun ship, u can fit a bunch of stabs, tank hard, deal good damage, kill frigs & still be useful while jammed all with 1 setup.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:05:00 -
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Lets put it this way i am totally in love with my tempest now 
best hit has been 2099 damage
That being said i do have pretty much maxed skills for a tempest damage output only lvl 5 art spec to go and thats comeing soon
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 04/02/2005 14:13:53
Originally by: FoulBeast
So i've heard so many different sugestions, in practace what is found to be the best. I would guess the scorp would be best becasue of EW, but then I've read some posts that some like the typhoon. Any sugestions and sample setups would be much appreciated since I can fly any race BS, and hopefully it will help others too.
ANY!
Any BS could be the best BS for PVP... and only skills, setup and experiece will dictate what is "the Best"
Therefor ... any BS is "the best" and you should not consider BS X better than Z.
For example:
EW BS such as Scorpion is good against anyother BS that doesnt have EW conter measures... But can also be quite bad if other BS has the necessary EW contra measures.
Raven vs other BS... Raven will beat other BS if if that BS isn't prepared to deal against cruise/torps... on otherhand... Raven will lose for other BS if that BS not only is prepared to deal with cruise/torps but also deals a good damage to Raven.
So a correct and simple reply to your question is... ANY can be the best for PVP
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DARKKK
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:54:00 -
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there is no 'best' bs in eve... every bs can kill other, but some are easier to use and need less sp to use effectively. For instance: scorp is always pain in the ass with 6-7 multies, but tanked raven can probably laugh at him and in the end kill scorp with fofs. Or you can fit sensor booster and 5 caldari jammers if you know you are against scorp... so byby scorps ew...
On the other hand scorp and geddon make great team... and most pvp is not 1vs1 but shoud probably be called pvg or even pgg(player vs gang or player gets ganked)...
But there is no best ship around... i wonder though about apoc with 6 nosf and 2x siege launchers, few backups, webber, scrambler and mwd, 5 low slots for tank...
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:10:00 -
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the best BS is the best fitted bs of any type with a good pilot at the stearingwheel
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:17:00 -
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There is no best BS. Especially for solo fighting. Everything has something that can beat it. The trick is simply to find something that can work against the typical setups. I have a Geddon that can easily kill any tanked Apoc/Raven/Tempest/Mega (most popular setup styles in my opinion) but I'd easily be killed by a EW Scorp or a Dom with all Nosferatus.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:27:00 -
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well if your talking 1 vs 1 which is unrealistic then suckodom or suckophoon are some of my favorites and typcially unexpected setups.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.02.04 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
There is no best...
...however, I've never heard any fleet commander say no to an extra Scorpion.
Sooo true. Plus with a few twists in the setup, you can cycle jam and truly lock down two or three guys indefinitely AND still beat back frigates ad inties trying to tackle you.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.02.05 01:18:00 -
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I personally Take the Apoc over the Geddon any day, mainly because 6 Tech II Tachyons + 2 Arbalest Seiges is a world of pain.
A sniper apoc with Tachyons is actually more handy than its geddon equivilent, and cant be ****** over by frigates.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.05 02:08:00 -
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tempest FTW
but remeber to switch brains into "on" position when flying one
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Kenan Waroria
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Posted - 2005.02.05 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
The Tempest has gone from being down on the list, to maybe at the top of the list. Only tested it with the 800mm guns, and with that setup it deals more dmg than a good tank can outtank. I would say it's overpowered now.
Overpowerd again 
Seems as if CCP canŠt get it right with that ship. This omly proves that a small change make a big difference in the end. I guess that my favorable ships will be left behind - again 
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2005.02.05 03:37:00 -
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The best BS is the one that you can be reasonably sure you can take on almost anybody, any day, and have a better than average chance of winning.
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Free4You
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Posted - 2005.02.05 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
Originally by: Dr Derek
Best pvp ship is probably the gankageddon...
Not really, it's easy to counter if you know what you're up against. 2x EM + 1x them hardeners and a raven will tear it apart :-)
Uhm, no? i've seen tanked ravens get torn apart by the gankageddon...
But there is a raven setup to beat it :) just gotta get lucky and close :P
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Admiral Seafort
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Posted - 2005.02.05 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Seafort on 05/02/2005 05:09:47
How many times have these threads showed up? There is no such thing as the best in general. It really seriously does depend on: application, setup, captain's skills, captain's preferences, captain's style/behavior/tendencies, opponent's skills, opponent's style of combat, opponent's ship(s), opponent's setup(s), number of opponents, lack or presence of fleet support, type of said support, size of said support, skill of said supporter(s), the willingness of said supporters to sacrifice themselves for you, the amount of lag in milliseconds, the distance of your ISP from the main server as a function of your distance from your ISP, and the integration of the function defining the trajectory of your mouse (our mousewheel) as you scroll past this post from the lower bound (x=0) to the upper bound (x=5).
So the last two matter a little less, but rest assured, they do affect how good your ship is. OK, maybe not.
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