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Impending Fleet
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Posted - 2011.03.26 04:14:00 -
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Lethal took 6.2 billion I thought?
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 08:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Moto Akimoto
[N/A] Kalrand, 2011.02.14, Unknown isk, 4 %, Perpetual, Status: Open
[N/A] Kalrand, 2011.03.04, 24200 Million isk, Various, Unknown, Status: Open
I've borrowed a total of 10.5b @ 5%. What you have is wrong.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.26 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Any particular reason why BSAC is been excluded from the list?
I doubt it has been excluded. It will probably just take a while to gather all the data and perhaps to develop a methodological approach for presenting that data (for example, whether to average the returns on an annual basis or over the whole length of the business' life; how to record differences in the size of the business over time).
@OP - my currently running bond is not listed yet either.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.26 08:55:00 -
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Cool thread, thanks Moto. If you get time, please change the status of my 4bil bond to 'paid in full'. All other info is correct.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 09:28:00 -
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Hello everyone,
Just to clarify, I began the list on Page 10 of the MD forums and have been slowly making my way to the most recent posts on Page 1. I don't mean to exclude any offering so I apologize if an offering is not listed yet.
Keep in mind the limitation of 4000 characters per post which includes the hyperlink codes not visible. So the more info there is per line, the less number of offerings I can list per post. On a database, this would not be an issue but on a forum it can become an administrative headache to maintain. I can remove the convenient link to Issuer's most recent post if you guys like.
Each offering entry only includes the basic "Tombstone" information from the original thread post/heading so any expansions isn't listed at the moment the links are provided for further research.
Lethal did indeed state he scammed +6B isk on his thread but his initial offering request was only 1.3B.
@Kalrand: Your KalbondsÖ series sums up to 24.2B, that's is the amount I used.
Originally by: Kalrand
KalBonds 3% Series: 10.9B
KalBonds 4% Series: 7.9B
KalBonds 5% Series: 5.4B
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Moto Akimoto
@Kalrand: Your KalbondsÖ series sums up to 24.2B, that's is the amount I used.
Originally by: Kalrand
KalBonds 3% Series: 10.9B
KalBonds 4% Series: 7.9B
KalBonds 5% Series: 5.4B
Did you look for the posts where I listed what was actually issued?
And this means you didn't even read what I was trying to issue.
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Marcus Baltar
Savaran Zhayedan Spah
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Moto Akimoto
Keep in mind the limitation of 4000 characters per post which includes the hyperlink codes not visible. So the more info there is per line, the less number of offerings I can list per post. On a database, this would not be an issue but on a forum it can become an administrative headache to maintain. I can remove the convenient link to Issuer's most recent post if you guys like.
If you are worried about characters in a post maybe post the values in billions of ISK - there are very, very few offerings that are under a billion, and saying "1B" would save a lot of characters rather than "1000 million" (you might need to clarify that the B stands for 1,000,000,000 for the challenged  ). You might also like to shorten a few things like rates and payment periods to the same standard and provide a key/index.
It might also be a good idea to differentiate between a rate period and payment period and/or indicate these.
Do not remove the links - they are important (and handy), especially as a lot of people keep starting threads on/around the same thing without linking them (a pet hate), or using one thread.
Anyway - good job. It is a thankless, never ending task and soul destroying task
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2011.03.26 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Moto Akimoto
Keep in mind the limitation of 4000 characters per post which includes the hyperlink codes not visible. So the more info there is per line, the less number of offerings I can list per post. On a database, this would not be an issue but on a forum it can become an administrative headache to maintain. I can remove the convenient link to Issuer's most recent post if you guys like.
Thanks for doing this, which ever way you do it.
The problem you cite suggests that the time has already come to move this to Google Docs (or the like) where such limitations won't be a problem. Having a clear table format with just one variable per column will also make the collection of information even more handy.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:54:00 -
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Here's a first stab at a new spreadsheet of MD offerings.
Note that there is one table for the data about the offerings and also a second table for data about the data about the offerings (i.e., something in the direction of a data dictionary).
I'll be happy to hand off ownership to someone who will actually fill in some of the information, and I'm a novice with Google Docs, so let me know if I have not set it up properly.
Crappy bonus!
While I'm posting Google Docs links, here also is another one I made recently to cross-reference that recently-disclosed list of alleged ISK buyers against the names listed in a couple of Haskell's reports of MD offerings. Assuming I built it right, there were no "hits", i.e., no pilot names appearing in both places.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond
Crappy bonus!
While I'm posting Google Docs links, here also is another one I made recently to cross-reference that recently-disclosed list of alleged ISK buyers against the names listed in a couple of Haskell's reports of MD offerings. Assuming I built it right, there were no "hits", i.e., no pilot names appearing in both places.
For a second there, I thought everyone on your spreadsheet was an isk buyer. I thought "wow, everyone from MD is on here!" 
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:17:00 -
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...old list you could incorporate some of this data i suppose
Linkage
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Moto Akimoto on 26/03/2011 16:53:29
Continued from Post 12
- [N/A] Stealing Honest, 2011.03.26, 5B isk, 3 %, 90 Days, Auditor: None, Status: Fund Raising
- [N/A] Tom Selek, 2010.12.10, 2B isk, 7 %, 2 Month, Auditor: Fleshbot, Status: Default
- [N/A] TomHorn, 2011.03.08, 1.8B isk, 4 %, 3 Month, Auditor: None, Status: Failed To Launch
- [N/A] Tutskii, 2011.02.10, 2B isk, 11 %, 1 Month, Auditor: Taram Caldar, Status: Paid In Full
- [N/A] Tutskii, 2011.03.09, 6B isk, 11 %, 1 Month, Auditor: Breaker77, Status: Open
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:24:00 -
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Reserved
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:27:00 -
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Reserved
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:32:00 -
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Reserved
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Moto Akimoto
MD 3rd Parties
Chribba
Darkness
Grendell
While these are all excellent 3rd parties for both MD and EVE in general, MD has it's own group of people that do 3rd party collateral holding as well. We are virtually unknown outside of this forum though.
RAW23, VV, and myself are probably the most active in this area. I'm sure I've missed people though.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 27/03/2011 02:56:12
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Oh god, don't list me
List him! List him! And make it painful!! 
@ Moto
Would you like me to set up a wiki? This stuff would probably be easier to define and update in a wiki since a wiki allows for change tracking.
Let me know.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/03/2011 11:10:16
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Moto Akimoto
MD 3rd Parties
Chribba
Darkness
Grendell
While these are all excellent 3rd parties for both MD and EVE in general, MD has it's own group of people that do 3rd party collateral holding as well. We are virtually unknown outside of this forum though.
RAW23, VV, and myself are probably the most active in this area. I'm sure I've missed people though.
I have been called to hold collateral several times in game other than MD and even for some lotteries in the sell orders forum.
In fact I am holding collateral for a running MD bond as we speak and also holding capital BPOs for research.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:52:00 -
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Thanks for the links to old spreadsheets and files, I'll grab some of the info and add them to the list when time allows.
@Cosmoray: I believe MD is enjoying the risk profiles on your spreadsheet so it is probably better to preserve it as is.
@Kalrand: We spoke on SCC-Lounge and I took your advice for sorting the info, I placed the "Open" and "Fund Raising" at the top. The multiple offerings on one thread is a problem though for any issuer. I'll be glad to change the status on your bonds if you can give them a unique identifier either by threadID or NEISIN.
@Raw23: I didn't find your bond on the first 300 threads on MD. I plan on adding equities today so if you link me your bond thread I'll add it to the list.
@Breaker77 & Vaerah Vahrokha: added to 3rd Parties.
@Zeta Zhul & Brock Nelson: Brock's offerings gets a special status......"Suspicious" 
I've only used a wiki as an end user but if it simplifies the task, I'm open to the idea.
I plan on adding a googledoc link with the updated list, I use excel spreadsheet and SQL on my end. What I do not want to do for sure is to reenter the same exact data over and over again but I do want to keep it easy to hand off to someone else if/when the time comes.
Presentation of the information is the problem imo, ideally a database within the game would be best but that's not going to happen. I would like to keep the list on MD as much as possible.
Most important for me is that I don't want to pass judgement on any offering. I just list the unbiased info and let MD/investors judge for themselves.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.27 13:56:00 -
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Status update:
MRBLOCKBOZ15 - Filled
Stocks and Bonds not included here can be found in the Stock Exchange and in our Corporation Website.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.27 16:56:00 -
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@Block Ukx: updated
I added a link to a googledoc version of the investment list on the opening post. Cheers!
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:36:00 -
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Great news! Now all of you can help as well, I've linked the googleform on the original post so you can submit stuff. Yes, I'm lazy.
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Marcus Baltar
Savaran Zhayedan Spah
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Moto Akimoto
Edited by: Moto Akimoto on 28/03/2011 20:20:14
Investment Offerings
- [1346016] Cosmoray, Bond/Debt, 2010.07.01, 70B isk, 0.035, Ad Infinitum, Auditor: None, Status: Active/Running
Isn't this one a scam (default) too?
Reference here, the linked document.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:46:00 -
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You are correct, Marcus Baltar. The reason I haven't changed the status to "Default" yet is because I haven't found posts/threads between 2010.8.01 and 2011.03.03. The typical Default pattern I've noticed in MD so far is that an investor asks questions to the OP about the late payment(s) on a dividend but there is no such post on this bond. The dividend distribution frequency was monthly so the thread would not had been locked for inactivity (90 days).
I've only found 2 threads so far on this investment: Breaker77 and Amarr Citizen 155 selling out of the Cosmoray investments.
Once I find the posts in between these 2 dates, I'll change the status. In the meantime, I'll keep it as is since everyone on MD is aware that Cosmoray is a self proclaimed scammer.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:42:00 -
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Q: Is there a standard criteria to classify an offering as "Failed To Launch".
Aside from the obvious:- Thread locked after 90 days of inactivity.
- The issuer (OP) withdraws the offer.
I've been using the following equation as well:
FTL Days= (Offering Size)/(500M isk)
For example, a 5B isk offering should fill within 10 days.
So far I have noticed that an offering that will fill (regardless of size), will fill within this period. Or do you guys think this equation sucks and I should stop using it?
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Kei Darker
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:30:00 -
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This is great.
I hope this list continues to grow, and I look forward to seeing it as a wiki as well.
A quick note on my current bond: it is being audited by VV.
Thanks,
-Kei Darker
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Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:55:00 -
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I pretty much always have some sort of bonds going or somthing. Currently I have 10bil but not really worth posting since will be paid back this month.
I also have taken collateral a few times.
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